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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:13 AM Sep 2012

Obama at the U.N.: A new religion doctrine

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/obama-at-the-un-a-new-religion-doctrine/2012/09/25/2e152d6a-0758-11e2-9eea-333857f6a7bd_story.html

By Lauren Markoe| Religion News Service, Published: September 25

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday (Sept. 25) gave a forceful speech at the United Nations, in which he challenged much of the world’s assumptions about free speech and religion.

Here are five points from his address, which together, add up to as close to an Obama Doctrine on Religion as we’ve seen:

1. Blasphemy must be tolerated, however intolerable

The idea that the U.S. protects even vile speech, so ingrained in American culture, seems counterintuitive to much of the world. It’s an especially tough concept when speech targets a religion, but Obama argued that restrictions on speech too often become weapons to suppress religion — especially the rights of religious minorities.

“Given the power of faith in our lives, and the passions that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech,” Obama said.

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Oregonian

(209 posts)
1. Well done, Mr. President
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:15 AM
Sep 2012

This is yet another reason this man should be re-elected. He stands for TRUE American values.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
2. Unfortunatly...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:29 AM
Sep 2012

his words will fall on many deaf ears. The concept of "freedom of speech" to many religious people is too foreign a concept to accept with the slight possibility here in the US but not Europe since some speech could be taken as hate speech given the laws in the EU.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. Video of Obama’s U.N. Address
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:32 AM
Sep 2012
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/video-of-obamas-u-n-address/

Video of Obama’s U.N. Address
By Robert Mackey


As my colleague Helene Cooper reports, President Obama devoted most of his address to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday to the Arab democracy movement and the tension between free speech and mutual respect among cultures and faiths in an era of instant, global communication.

PBS Newshour posted video of the entire 30-minute speech online.




cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Thanks, Pinto. My connection seems a wee bit better this am, so I am going to try and watch this.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:19 PM
Sep 2012

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. Brilliant and profound. He is truly a world leader at this point.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

His message of tolerance vs. division really resonated with me.

Thank you so much for posting this. I had read parts of the transcript, but seeing him deliver it is much, much better.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
6. Good job, Mr. President!
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 02:08 PM
Sep 2012

Blasphemy is unpopular speech. Freedom of Speech, as laid out in the First Amendment, is designed in particular to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech is...well...popular, and needs no protection.

My very existence as an atheist is blasphemous. Saying there are no deities is the height of blasphemy.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
9. It was, no? I liked how he laid out the balance from a US Constitutional perspective
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

to an international audience. (I assume the address was shown around the world.) And how he went on to frame the balance in an international perspective, beyond a purely American, Constitutional point-of-view. A difficult balance these days and one I think he stated really well.

It was good job.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. "Blasphemy must be tolerated, however intolerable"
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 02:12 PM
Sep 2012

Funny, that's what some of us were saying on your other thread, when you called someone who advocated blasphemy "the same as" the religious extremists who threaten and commit murder of blasphemers.

Looks like President Obama is an extremist in your book. I'm proud to stand with him.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
8. I think Obama's point was this -
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

Incendiary intolerance in response to incendiary intolerance is counter productive, self-destructive. Tolerance is a two way street.

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