Considering that the DNC removed the word "god" from the platform...

[cleanhippie]

I feel like I am sitting in church right now and not watching the convention. God this, god that, believe in god, god bless America, god, god, god.....

[LAGC]

1. I haven't been watching it live, is it really that bad?

Maybe they'll let Skinner speak and he can set them all straight.

[kestrel91316]

2. No, it's not. Some people just like to stir sh-t up.

[cleanhippie]

4. Are you watching the same convention I am?

Every single speaker has been invoking "god" at every turn.

And this is the fucking RELIGION forum. This is where this topic gets discussed. If I wanted to stir up shit, I would have posted in GD.

What the fuck.

[kestrel91316]

5. "Every single speaker has been invoking "god" at every turn." NO THEY HAVE NOT. Stop LYING.

Yes, I am listening to it.

If you want to live someplace where freedom of expression does not exist, you're in the wrong country honey. And your hyperbole is just pathetic.

[cleanhippie]

6. What the fuck are you talking about?

Talk about shit stirring. You brought a fucking BLENDER in here.

This is the RELIGION forum. This is where we talk about RELIGIOUS issues, and public officials invoking god is one of them. Telling me to shut up about it? What was that you just said about free expression? Fuck me, the hypocrisy is stupefying.

[cordelia]

25. I thought you were watching the Democratic Convention.

That would belong in GD, wouldn't it?

Someone mentioned God and got your delicate sensibilities all ruffled? Does your teevee machine not have an on/off switch?

[cleanhippie]

3. Yes, it's really that bad.

And I am not exaggerating.

But all the speakers are on FIRE! Lots of energy, lots of enthusiasm, and most importantly, lots of facts.

[ellisonz]

7. lol

You really would do well to develop some appreciation for other people's beliefs.

[dmallind]

9. Or, more accurately, understand that politicians always pander to supermajorities.

How much appreciation do the godbotherers display to those who think that leaders should base their opinions on reason and fact, not the dictates of their imaginary friend?

[cleanhippie]

10. I have great appreciation for beliefs that square with reality.

You would do well to learn the difference between belief and reality. The fact that so many believe things that have no basis in reality IS reality, and that makes me sad.

[ellisonz]

14. Get over it...

...here have a tissue

[cleanhippie]

15. Hahaha! I love it when someone gets their argument demolished, and retorts with childish responses.

You stay classy.


Looks like a white flag of surrender to me, not a tissue. Smart play.

[ellisonz]

16. "You stay classy."

Oh I will

[humblebum]

17. The word 'God' has been reinstated into the platform as of this afternoon.

A very wise strategic move IMO.

http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-change-platform-add-god-jerusalem-211928130--election.html

[Leontius]

18. The perception that liberal or Democrat also means Godless has

become a truism in a large part of society. I live in a conservative and religious area and people at work knew I was a liberal and when I first talked about God and the Bible jaws dropped, heads turned and ' What did he say, he's a Christian, really hard to believe that' was the most heard reaction. Sad thing is they are more accepting of me as Christian and a liberal than many here are in accepting me as liberal and a Christian.

[humblebum]

23. You are not alone. nt

[cleanhippie]

19. If anyone cared...

About your opinion...

[humblebum]

24. Obviously some at the Convention did. NT

[trotsky]

20. Thankfully the platform committee has more appreciation for non-believers...

than a disappointingly large number of DUers do.

[ellisonz]

21. I have plenty appreciation for non-believes...

...I have no appreciation for passive aggressive whiners who are unwilling/unable to accept some basic facts about the society they live in because they have to be "better" than their fellow men and women.

Should we ban all public Christmas celebrations because Santa Claus isn't real?

[trotsky]

26. What is your opinion on Cardinal Tim Dolan giving a blessing at the DNC? n/t

[ellisonz]

27. Against.

Not the same thing as having fits at the sound of "God Bless America."

[trotsky]

28. Yet have you seen the reaction of some GLBTers to the Dolan appearance?

Are you going to insult them as much as you've bashed cleanhippie?

Wait, let me guess, that's different, right?

[ellisonz]

29. Nice try at a false equivalency...

...I can think the OP is being overly ridiculous in his well-known hatred for religion and religious people (him and I have a history) and still disagree that Dolan's brand of religion is not the Democratic brand of religion. Do you really think I'd fall into a trap as poorly constructed as that?

Should Sister Simone Campbell not be invited to speak because she's a nun?

[trotsky]

30. I think you're just embarrassed at falling right into the "poorly constructed" trap.

You believe it's OK for GLBTers to be outraged at anti-GLBT sentiments at the DNC, but nonbelievers need to just STFU at what they find offensive.

And you'll personally insult them to make sure you drive the point home that they are second class citizens - not to mention your poorly constructed straw men.

Feel free to get the last word in so that I as a non-believer can be sure to know where I stand with you, too.

[ellisonz]

39. And I think you're intent on justifying classless whining...

...I think you need to back the fuck off of the insinuation that somehow I'm okay with the oppression of basic human rights. Not being outraged at "God Bless America" is nothing like that. Shame on you for trying to make such an equivalency and shame on you for your ugly insinuation. You are no humanist!

[AlbertCat]

34. the sound of "God Bless America."

Ahh yes.... the sound of it. That's about it, because that particular arrangement of syllables is so overused and such a cliche that is practically means nothing. Politicians say it whether they mean it or not. Citizens too.

[cleanhippie]

36. "unwilling/unable to accept some basic facts about the society they live in"

IOW, religion, right or wrong, is just the way it is, so sit down and STFU? Am I getting you right?

[ellisonz]

40. Please do so.

It's called harmony, it's a beautiful idea!

[hughee99]

8. I haven't heard the word "God" yet from a speaker.

I haven't seen all the speakers, but I've seen a good bit.

[cleanhippie]

11. I give FLOTUS high marks.

It was a fantastic speech without a single mention of a deity, until the obligatory "god bless you, and god bless America."


Why that is obligatory is another thread.

[Starboard Tack]

12. It isn't obligatory, but why does it bother you so much?

Expressing one's personal belief is harmless.

[cleanhippie]

13. I would love to have this discussion with you, as I think it's an important one.

But based on your previous interactions, I don't think for a second that you actually want to have an open, candid, and honest conversation on the subject.

And that makes me sad.





Cue the ad hom in 3,2,1...

[onager]

22. Good thing they have to "respect" our non-belief, ain't it?

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

32. I don't believe that you want to have an "open, candid, and honest conversation" about religion

Based on your huffing and puffing above. If you believe that

You would do well to learn the difference between belief and reality. The fact that so many believe things that have no basis in reality IS reality, and that makes me sad.

demolishes any argument, then you are the one who does not acknowledge reality.

[cleanhippie]

35. Wait, what?

Lemme get this straight. You are denying the fact that the claims of the religious about supernatural events are not compatible with the reality if the world we live in?

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

38. No

You, on the other hand, have decided, based on nothing but your own prejudices, that religion is incompatible with reality. Your mind is obviously made up, so having a discussion with you about religion would be weary, stale, flat, and unprofitable.

[RKP5637]

31. I noticed that more than usual. I think politicians feel it's a vote getter. Often it's repeated so

much it starts to sound like a tool. I'm not sure, but I think many (R convention and D convention) have ended their speech with god bless this or that. I thought it was getting to sound corny.

[Karmasue]

33. Thank God one of the things that

sets the Democratic Party apart from the tea-bag Republican Party is religious tolerance.

Even though I seldom see that here.