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Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:04 PM

State and city vs. churches: Don't drink the 'religious freedom' Kool-Aid -- it's deadly

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Imagine that you awake one morning, get online and click on your favorite news site. You are greeted by this grisly headline: “Police Seek Death Cult Leaders After Ritual Human Sacrifice.” You read on to discover that these cultists have been rounding up victims to offer up as sacrifices to their God, killing them in indescribable ceremonies (drinking not just proverbial Kool-Aid, but the literal kind) and leaving their corpses on open-air altars. A couple of days later, you are relieved to see that the leaders of the sect have been arrested and charged with murder, only to discover that they are claiming that the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects their actions, because the government may not interfere with or punish religious conduct.

Your reaction, I hope, would be that their religious freedom claim is preposterous. One person or group’s freedom of religion does not permit them to do harm to others, or to be exempt from the application of the societal ban on murder. You would expect that the courts would promptly reject the claim and try the murderers for their crimes.

And yet, this is precisely the claim that too many religious leaders have been making in recent days — that their right to free exercise gives them the right to kill their fellow citizens. Not, of course, in a human sacrifice straight out of a horror movie. But by holding services during a pandemic, despite knowing to a point of absolute certainty that people will die as a result. We must treat their argument exactly the same way we would react to the cult: with a firm, “Hell no,” and criminal sanctions.

Mass gatherings (religious and otherwise) spread COVID-19. There is massive evidence of this fact and no proof to the contrary. The dozens of cases and numerous deaths that resulted from a single church revival meeting in Dawson Springs, Kentucky. in mid-March is sobering, ample proof of what results when churches insist on conducting business as usual. And it is not just members of the church or those who voluntarily choose to attend who are put at risk. It is everyone they then come in contact with — and it is those people whose lives these church leaders are insisting must be sacrificed on the altar of their religious freedom.

Read more: https://www.leoweekly.com/2020/04/state-city-vs-churches-dont-drink-religious-freedom-kool-aid-deadly/
(Louisville Eccentric Observer)

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Reply State and city vs. churches: Don't drink the 'religious freedom' Kool-Aid -- it's deadly (Original post)
TexasTowelie Apr 12 OP
customerserviceguy Apr 12 #1
Kaiserguy Apr 12 #6
Ferrets are Cool Apr 12 #2
bluescribbler Apr 12 #3
MarcA Apr 12 #4
yaesu Apr 12 #5
dlk Apr 12 #7
DanieRains Apr 12 #10
dlk Apr 12 #19
Roland99 Apr 12 #8
TexasTowelie Apr 12 #11
Roland99 Apr 12 #12
TexasTowelie Apr 12 #14
Roland99 Apr 12 #17
TomSlick Apr 12 #9
paleotn Apr 12 #16
TomSlick Apr 12 #18
LiberalLovinLug Apr 12 #13
paleotn Apr 12 #15
wnylib Apr 12 #21
rickyhall Apr 12 #20
wnylib Apr 12 #22
uriel1972 Apr 13 #23

Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:08 PM

1. Fundies

are always looking for ways to identify themselves with Christians from 1800 years ago, who were persecuted by Roman emperors.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:52 PM

6. We could I guess

bring back the games from the Roman days and send them to the Coliseum if they wish to see first hand what real persecution was all about. For them to compare being tossed to the lions with having to act like a responabile adult and miss a few Sundays is an insult to the one who did in fact get tossed to the lions.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:29 PM

2. K and R

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:41 PM

3. Your right to swing your fist

Stops where my nose begins.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:48 PM

4. Exactly where literalism and legal gymnastics gets us. n/t

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:50 PM

5. I've been listen to my emergency services monitor and have noticed a big spike in covid

calls this weekend, some pulling over in their cars because they are too weak to make the hospital trip. In rural areas like mine people think they can escape it but they will soon find out different. Also am noticing frustration of patrol officers & dispatch with all the suspicious person calls with the new orders in place. People need to chill, not tie up law enforcement with trivial shit, they are acting like its the zombie apocalypse.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:53 PM

7. Exercising the practice of religion is not imposing your personal beliefs on others

That is something else entirely and lest we forget, our country was founded upon an escape from just that.

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Response to dlk (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:17 PM

10. See Evangelizing

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Response to DanieRains (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:51 PM

19. Yes

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:57 PM

8. LEO is the Louisville Eccentric Observer

Not Lexington

I miss grabbing a copy at lunch when I worked in downtown Louisville

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:21 PM

11. Ah, thank you.

I don't believe I've ever seen the full title before even though I've had the site on my database for a couple of years. I'll make the correction in the OP.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:26 PM

12. No worries. It was founded by current Rep John Yarmuth

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:30 PM

14. I know that it is the alternative media,

I just didn't want anyone to get confused and alerting for using RW talking points because they thought I was posting from "Law Enforcement Officers Weekly."

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:39 PM

17. Ha.

Thanks for the link tho

I’ll have to start reading it online regular. Had forgotten about them

Left KY 11 yrs ago

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:01 PM

9. The religious liberty arguments are preposterous.

The social distancing rules do not specifically target religion.

Under a strict scrutiny analysis - the highest standard - the rules are necessary for an important government requirement. The rules are as narrowly tailored as possible to achieve the purpose.

Religious liberty is a fundamental right. However, it is not absolute, just as no right can be absolute. It is difficult to imagine that a court would find the emergency social distancing rules to be a violation of the First Amendment.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:39 PM

16. Dang it! Stop making sense! Quit it with the sound logic!!

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Response to paleotn (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:43 PM

18. Sorry, occupational hazard.

The religious liberty arguments being pressed are political, not legal.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:29 PM

13. I honestly don't see mass gatherings for Jebuz happening.

Mostly because the TrumpChristoFascists are whiny, frightened snowflakes. They talk a good game, but most are paranoid survivalists who will not be hedging their bets and taking their pastor's word for it.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:37 PM

15. Matthew 4:7

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

They don't even know what their own scriptures say....and really don't care.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 03:12 PM

21. Of course they don't. For them it's all

about ego, politics, and self-assertion. Religion is just a vehicle to them for promoting those 3 things.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 03:05 PM

20. It's OK. They are the ones insisting this is a "Christian Nation" when it ain't.

I wouldn't miss them.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 03:18 PM

22. No excuse for this self-centered

religious freedom claim.

What disturbs me more than the selfish and foolish claims of these fundies is the legal ruling in their favor. How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 12:21 AM

23. How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population?

Quite easily, it seems...

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