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Fri Jun 15, 2018, 01:18 AM

In defense of separating immigrant families Sessions cites same Bible passage used to defend slavery



“I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes,” Sessions said during a speech to law enforcement officers in Fort Wayne, Ind. “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent and fair application of the law is in itself a good and moral thing, and that protects the weak and protects the lawful.”

Sessions has said “we’ve got to get this message out” that asylum seekers or anyone else immigrating through unofficial means is not given immunity. He appealed to “church friends” later in Thursday’s speech in Fort Wayne, emphasizing that non-citizens who enter the United States illegally are breaking the law.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said during a briefing Thursday that she hadn’t seen Sessions’s comments, but she backed his line of thinking. “I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible,” she said. “It’s a moral policy to follow and enforce the law.”

“There are two dominant places in American history when Romans 13 is invoked,” said John Fea, a professor of American history at Messiah College in Pennsylvania. “One is during the American Revolution [when] it was invoked by loyalists, those who opposed the American Revolution. The second spike you see is in the 1840s and 1850s, when Romans 13 is invoked by defenders of the South or defenders of slavery to ward off abolitionists who believed that slavery is wrong,” Fea said. “I mean, this is the same argument that Southern slaveholders and the advocates of a Southern way of life made.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/06/14/jeff-sessions-points-to-the-bible-in-defense-of-separating-immigrant-families/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e1cdfaecb5e0

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Reply In defense of separating immigrant families Sessions cites same Bible passage used to defend slavery (Original post)
Lordquinton Jun 2018 OP
regnaD kciN Jun 2018 #1
Lordquinton Jun 2018 #6
msongs Jun 2018 #2
Lordquinton Jun 2018 #7
The Genealogist Jun 2018 #3
Lordquinton Jun 2018 #8
Major Nikon Jun 2018 #4
Lordquinton Jun 2018 #9
NeoGreen Jun 2018 #5
Lordquinton Jun 2018 #10

Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 01:38 AM

1. Not just slavery...

The exact same passage was regularly used against Christian pacifists like myself to “prove” that it was our religious duty to go fight in Vietnam (or Cambodia, or Laos, or whichever domino ruled by a right-wing tyrant we needed to prop up next).

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:40 PM

6. It's a popular quote from people justifying bad things

And why the whole book is problematic. Reading the story they try to explain that quote with context and all the same stuff that gets discarded here by some theists as "literalism"

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Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:16 AM

2. sessions spouts KKK boilerplate daily yet he is not called on it by

the media and congressional dems.

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:41 PM

7. Yep

Now it's a theological debate instead of calling him out.

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Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:04 AM

3. You expect something different?

One can make the Bible confirm whatever nut, hateful, ignorant thing they wish. Conversely, if you find something in it that you don't like, that doesn't fit your narrative, you just explain it away as a metaphor or just ignore it. Easy peasy!

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:43 PM

8. Hang around here long enough

And you'll learn that nothing in the Bible means what it says, try to discuss any passage and you get told to stop being a literalist. Can't even discuss characters in the Bible without getting mocked for thinking good actually exists (actually happened, told them to stay away from any discussion of Harry Potter)

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Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:18 AM

4. Mark my word...

if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
-- Barry Goldwater

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:45 PM

9. Prophetic

Sized control and pulled the conversation to the right. The story should be about a government official basing decisions on his religious beliefs instead of law, but instead we're arguing about what the passage means, and what Jesus would do.

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Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:25 AM

5. Quoth the raven...



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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:46 PM

10. Very good quotes

Thanks!

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