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Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:16 PM

Theism, and other belief systems.

First, what are they?

Obviously a belief system is a method of looking at the world and interacting with it. As one definition suggests:

The belief system of a person or society is the set of beliefs that they have about what is right and wrong and what is true and false.


https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/belief-system

So a belief system can be based on theism, or patriotism, or any other system that one might use.
I have previously suggested that atheism is also a belief system, and a few self-defined atheists at DU have strongly disagreed with me, insisting that atheism is merely the absence of any theistic belief.
My argument was that if a person used atheism as a way of defining truth and falsity, that constitutes a belief system. And I was told, quite strongly, that I was attempting as a theist to define atheism for atheists.

So when I read the following passage, from one of the self-defined DU atheists, I was confused.

The passage:

So, there it is. Belief in the "divine" is a belief in the existence of deities. Atheism is the disbelief in deities or the certain belief that no deities exist. The two things are incompatible, by definition.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218287061

Now that sounds like a belief system to me, and it also sounds like a definite assertion of what is true and what is false, at least according to the one atheist who wrote it.

Perhaps atheism, like theism, has a variety of positions?

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:20 PM

1. Another type of belief system is patriotism.

With officially accepted history serving as the holy book.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:49 PM

6. Patriotism does not require that you believe myths about your country

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:18 PM

12. But many do believe such myths.

And many call these myths history.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:23 PM

13. then that is not a belief system called "patriotism"

It might be "American Exceptionalism" or something like that . Something with content. Patriotism has no content.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:25 PM

15. Define patriotism with no associated content.

Patriotism is defined as a love of country. And the word country does not refer to the soil, but to the concept of a country apart from other places.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:40 PM

21. you just defined patriot as love of country

I am a patriot. Can you now tell me what I believe about my country, other than I love it above other countries?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:41 PM

54. I am a theist.

Can you tell me, if we have never met, what my positions and beliefs are?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:01 PM

63. No, that's why theism, is a belief, not a belief system.

As contrasted to a belief system like liberalism. Knowing only that you are an American liberal, I can guess you are in favor of government aid to the poor, racial equality and don't like the current president.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:12 PM

69. Theism is an unprovable belief in the existence of a deity/deities.

Under that umbrella are many different systems.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #69)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:17 PM

71. You provide a definition of belief system

"The belief system of a person or society is the set of beliefs that they have about what is right and wrong and what is true and false."

Theism doesn't tell you anything about right or wrong, and only tells you one thing about what is true. It is not a "set." The things under it may be belief systems, but theism itself is not.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:19 PM

72. Theism is a type of belief system.

Under that heading, individual religions provide their own definitions of right and wrong behavior.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #72)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:26 PM

74. So individual religions are belief systems

But a bunch of religions are not. They don't met the definition. A heading is just a heading.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:40 PM

2. Perhaps atheism isn't what theists want it to be, just another way to believe.

One really gets tired of the same, old arguments from these theist witnesses. They literally cannot stand that some folks just don't see their gods as existent. So they make shit up about atheists.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:44 PM

3. So you disagree with the linked definition?

Your right.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:50 PM

7. "Your right."???

Where's the verb, guillaumeb?

I disagree with just about all theist characterizations of atheists. They are all of a simple, single formula. That pretty much makes them all wrong.

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Response to longship (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:15 PM

9. You were within your rights to disagree....

but you disagreed with another atheist who defined atheism. That was my link. So when a person characterizes theists as being fine with lying and other things, what is your response to that?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:22 AM

77. It's always theists who try to speak for non-theists

Theists generally make things up about atheists. I call that bearing false witness.

That's my response.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:46 PM

4. It is odd that people need to persuade others of their faith

It seems to me that must come from lack of confidence.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:03 AM

82. Aww, Longship. I was under the impression we was sorta buds. 🤔

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #82)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 05:30 AM

84. Aww! You ARE my bud.

I don't care what people believe, or not. It's how they act in conjunction with those beliefs that make the difference.
Some believers just cannot help but characterize atheists as some kind of alternate believers. That is a very strange characterization which I specifically reject.

I like many people here, including both believers and non-believers.

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Response to longship (Reply #84)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:17 PM

93. 😍

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:48 PM

5. I think you are making a multilevel error

You confusing beliefs (like theism) with belief systems (a set of beliefs, like Christianity) with emotions (like patriotism) with the basis of a belief system (like the Bible or science). These are related things, but they are not the same at all, each one having different functions in an individual's psyche.

That's a lot of things to mix up at once, so it makes it difficult to respond further.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:16 PM

10. I am characterizing what constitutes a belief system,

and referencing one person's characterization of atheism as a belief system.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:26 PM

16. Belief system:

a set of principles or tenets which together form the basis of a religion, philosophy, or moral code. Notice the pluralism on principles and tenets? Besides one form or another that there is no god what other principles or tenets do atheists have to follow to be an atheist?

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Response to Eko (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:29 PM

18. There are multiple definitions.

And I also provided one.

A classic situation of dueling definitions.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:36 PM

20. So prove yours.

"set of beliefs". That's plural. Atheism is only the belief that there is no god or a version of that.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:42 PM

23. If I am reading correctly, that person called atheism a belief

not a belief system. A system is the sum of inter-related parts. You have a circulatory system. Is a single vein the same as the whole system?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:44 PM

24. Separate the part from the whole.

And read the link to see the original post and ask this of the poster. Not one person argued with the original post or the poster.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:49 PM

25. Separate the part from the whole, then you have just a vein

Not the circulatory system. The poster only defined atheism. It is a belief. It may be part of his own belief system. But you'd need to ask him what that system is.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:08 PM

35. And if it is an aspect of the poster's belief system,

it is a belief system. We all have beliefs, and how they interrelate defines what we are, and defines our own personal belief system.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:05 PM

64. A part is equal to the whole? How does that happen?

Is a liver a human being?
Is a wheel a car?
Is "F= " an equation?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:35 PM

97. ...

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:13 PM

8. My system is is most like the

Ethical Soceity group. As humanist we put humans before Gods.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:17 PM

11. Given that all of our interactions are with fellow humans,

I understand.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:23 PM

14. Exactly how does one

"use{d} atheism as a way of defining truth and falsity". Is there a book, instructions, a how to video on how to use atheism to define truth and falsity?

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Response to Eko (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:28 PM

17. As the linked poster opined:

So, there it is. Belief in the "divine" is a belief in the existence of deities. Atheism is the disbelief in deities or the certain belief that no deities exist. The two things are incompatible, by definition.


So according to this opinion, atheism is a certain belief that no deities exist. Thus the atheist, at least as defined by this person, sees as truth that there are no deities.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:34 PM

19. What?

You're not telling me how one used Atheism to come to that conclusion, you're telling me what they are calling the conclusion, Atheism.

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Response to Eko (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:42 PM

22. The poster arrived at an unprovable conclusion.

An unprovable conclusion requires a belief.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:52 PM

26. Actually, the poster just defined atheism

Then proved logically that you can't be a theistic atheist. Based on that post alone, you can't even tell if he is an atheist or not. It's something you know from his other posts.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:09 PM

36. The poster proved nothing.

The poster defined his personal belief.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:10 PM

67. The poster developed a logical syllogism

He didn't actually say anything about his beliefs. It comes down to this:

An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God. (Proposition 1, definition of atheism).
Sally believes in God (Proposition 2).
Sally is not an atheist (Conclusion).

Which of those is my personal belief?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:14 PM

70. The poster defined atheism,

as a disbelief in a deity, and a certain belief in the same thing. There is no logic there, simply a statement of opinion which is also a statement of belief.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:20 PM

73. You either need a course in logic or have to come up with a better definition of atheism

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:26 PM

112. And what of the post that defined atheism

as a certain belief?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #112)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 10:24 PM

114. That's part of that definition, do you have another?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #114)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:22 PM

115. So atheism is a belief.

But some few here insist that it is not a belief, and none of those same few argued with MM when he said it that it is a belief. Interesting example of outrage and consistency.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #115)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:29 PM

116. My focus here is on the definition and its logical consequences.

If you feel that MM is being inconsistent with his own beliefs, why don't you ask him about it?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #116)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:30 PM

117. My focus is on the tactics,

and the seeming variability of the positions depending on who says what.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #117)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:37 PM

118. I am not interested in tactics

People use them all the time. It's no big deal. It's kind of boring really, like reading the Army Manual, that's full of tactics too. Snooze.

But if you are concerned about excess variability of positions, why don't you ask those variable people about it? You have suggested the same thing as a tactic. When you do it, it's a tactic because those people aren't on this board to ask. I am doing it here, not as a tactic, but because you can ask the question right here, right now, of people who can answer here.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #118)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:01 PM

119. But such tactics,

such variability, if you will, speak of selective outrage and selective positions depending on the situation.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #119)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:06 PM

120. Yeah so? welcome to the world.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #120)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:10 PM

121. Welcome to dialogue?

Sad when the politics of something can deter actual dialogue, and appreciation for our commonalities.

I have a thread about the fight for wages, and none of the objections actually addressed the actual substance of the post.

It almost seems as if some feel compelled to respond negatively by reflex.


edited to add: Here is the post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218287403

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #121)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

122. You are too concerned with how other people respond

You are expecting a certain type of response that you will never get.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #121)

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:20 PM

123. Poor poor persecuted Gil.

Yes, people who disagree with you get to post here, too. How unspeakably awful that must be for you.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #123)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:21 PM

124. Poor Mariana.

If only you had responded to the actual point, rather than the straw man that you constructed.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:52 PM

27. No its not.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. You say there is a god, you have no proof and no one does, conclusion there is no god = Atheism. Atheism is not that there never was or could be one, it is the label one uses when they come to the conclusion that since there is no evidence for it there is no reason to believe it exists. Its not a belief, its a label for a conclusion.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:58 PM

31. Sigh.

Just gonna leave this here for anyone interested in knowing what they're talking about.

Null Hypothesis

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:11 PM

33. Sure, and evolution is only a theory, just like creationism



I get you are convinced you are being clever, but believe it or not you arenít the first one to come up with this nonsense.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:10 PM

37. About what I expected from you.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:15 PM

40. I expected you to pose an unsupportable assertion, then claim everyone else is confused

You know, just like always.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:17 PM

41. There is another frequent poster who specializes in that.

What I expected was the choir to show up. And I was rewarded. Well, rewarded is not the exact word, but I am certain you will understand.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:23 PM

46. I'm certain I don't

But at least the fan club was well rewarded.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:25 PM

47. I have faith in your ability. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:56 PM

29. Why are you skipping over this part?

"disbelief in deities".

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Response to Eko (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:12 PM

39. And what of the entire quote?

Simply an unprovable belief.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:19 PM

42. I believe you never proved that to begin with

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:13 PM

59. There are two parts to this.

"Atheism is the disbelief in deities or the certain belief that no deities exist."
This "disbelief in deities" is the first part. Is that an unprovable belief? See the dis part of disbelief?

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Response to Eko (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:08 PM

65. It is framed as 2 things.

The first, being unprovable, is itself a belief, and the second is also unprovable.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #65)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:24 PM

101. "Atheism is the disbelief in deities" is unprovable?

Defining a word is unprovable?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #65)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:45 PM

109. Hello?

Just waiting for your answer to my comment. Post 101.
Thanks!

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Response to Eko (Reply #109)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:51 PM

110. Ah...that poster only responds when it suits him.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #110)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 08:31 PM

113. An ironic response.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:54 PM

28. I believe I'll have another beer

Therefore I must have a belief system.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:57 PM

30. Ill have another also,

Now its an organized religion, lol

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Response to Eko (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:05 PM

32. Sweet Jesus!

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Response to Eko (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:11 PM

38. A leap of logic worthy of an Olympic long jumper.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:20 PM

44. That's rich

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:16 PM

34. How did you arrive at that beer?

If you went to your refrigerator, then you must believe in refrigeration systems. Therefore you only have the unprovable conclusion that you are drinking beer. You can't prove it because you are already too impaired to think. Please don't drive.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:19 PM

43. Earth and other Solar Systems.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:20 PM

45. One of your better ones.

Congratulations.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:34 PM

48. Queen Elizabeth and other Political Systems.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:36 PM

50. You outdid yourself.

A certificate of appreciation will be forthcoming.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:35 PM

49. The Federal Reserve and other Economic Systems.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:36 PM

51. First, second, and third place.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:38 PM

52. Bart Simpson and other method actors

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:39 PM

53. An improvement.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:43 PM

55. A decline

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:43 PM

56. Rotate the chart 180 degrees.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:53 PM

57. Even your fan club has to be getting bored by now

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:54 PM

58. Elevate your level of dialogue.

And see what happens.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:43 PM

61. Canned responses are what happens

Duh

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:41 AM

87. "Elevate your level of dialogue."

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:22 PM

60. I'm always delighted by Guillaume's wit and savvy responses.

He one of my wise sages of which I have two to date.

Guillaume. Mon Cher. Bon soir!

💙🇺🇸🌊
the loiterers out!

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:09 PM

66. I am not certain of the "wit" portion.

But thank you.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:29 PM

75. You give him too much credit.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #75)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:04 AM

76. Well, I don't 'believe' so. 😤

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #76)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:37 AM

78. lol

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #78)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:54 AM

80. Hello there!

I have a certain fondness for youuu. 🤗

Just sayin'....😉

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #80)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:18 AM

85. awww

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:54 PM

111. That's why I insist on cash...

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:52 PM

62. You claim to want dialogue

Then insult everyone who doesn't agree with you.

So predictable, though you seem rather inscenced today, if kinda lonely.

Everything alright?

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:10 PM

68. You do realize how applicable your comment is to the choir,

do you not?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #68)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:37 AM

79. I do realize how applicable it is: not at all

those you rudely refer to as "the choir" (aka: anyone who disagrees with you) have attempted many many times to engage in dialoge, and you don't. You refuse. Then you go make another thread accusing them of not wanting dialogue.

Many have given up trying to have dialogue because, you just don't? Like, you say something, someone makes a comment, then you just stop having a conversation? Like, can't even answer a simple question, you twist and turn until the whole thing is unrecognisable to the point of accidentally defending nazis that one time.

Be the change you want to see.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #79)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:22 AM

83. 📣 Fair Ladies and Dudes: The "Choir" v. "The Fan Club" and

its 'Raison D'Ítre'. 🤼

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #79)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:25 AM

89. "Many have given up trying to have dialogue"

Bingo.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #89)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:58 AM

91. Oh I'll still try.

Only to further prove that he doesn't actually care to do it.

The more people who are exposed to his tactics, the better.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:13 AM

104. I do too

until I can't deal with it anymore because he does something so far over the top, like the time he repeatedly linked to someone's post in a protected group until he got that post hidden because he carried such a christian like grudge. Really, we should have a sticky of all these antics for the newbs so we don't have to constantly search and post them over and over when they pretend all that never happened.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:11 AM

103. Yep.

Then the other old standby that theists use that everything started last tuesday, so the atheists are just being rude for NO REWASON AT ALL GUISE and are the sole reason things are the way they are because theey don't have gawd.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #103)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:20 AM

105. The forum does not predate the newest theist participant.

I did not exist until our little buddy started posting. It is totes unfair of me to act like I haven't heard these lame arguments and petulant tactics a thousand times before. I will be more patient with the nonsense.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:58 AM

81. Whazzat to be 'incense'? We perfume our church services with it. Mmmm.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #81)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:05 AM

88. "Incense" is also a verb. nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:51 AM

90. Indeed. I thought everyone knew that.

I'm incensed that so many people have severely limited vocabularies. I'm not sure where the blame for that lies.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:21 PM

94. Well, I know that. Inscencsed.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:24 PM

95. I took advantage of that word used above thread in a seemingly

pleasant way, but I guess not.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:40 AM

86. Theism isn't a belief system.

Neither is atheism.

Christianity is a belief system. Humanism is a belief system. Communism is a belief system.

BTW, I'm sorry about your close friend who got banned. No, not that one. No, not that one either. The most recent one.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #86)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:40 PM

92. Who is the most recent one?

Hard to keep track. No doubt most are simply reincarnations.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #92)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:34 PM

96. The most recent DUer I've seen who was shown the door was

the one with the screen name of ollie10 or something like that. Yesterday, that DUer had the fifth post hidden in 90 days and was put on review. The last hidden post from that DUers appears to have been a personal attack on another DUer.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:50 PM

98. Is 5 the magic number?

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #98)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:52 PM

99. Yes, apparently. That's been it for some time.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:47 PM

100. That one reminds me of another DUer who now resides on the Island of Misfit Toys

Coincidentally right before the other one appeared.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #100)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:52 PM

102. Funny how it happens that way. nt.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:32 AM

106. This one:

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Response to trotsky (Reply #106)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:44 AM

107. The magic carpet

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:58 AM

108. Some beliefs seem better--founded than others.

You can 1) believe the moon is made of green cheese.

Or you can 2) follow science, and believe what physical evidence says.

Which belief seems better?

To Guil, apparently,.they have equal status.

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