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Thu May 17, 2018, 10:52 AM

Fortunately, Heresy and Apostasy Are No Longer Capital Offenses

Well, sort of, anyway. In parts of the Muslim world, apostasy IS punishable by death. But, that aside, Christianity, and most other religions have stopped executing people for disbelief or wrong beliefs. It wasn't always so, however. Within well-recorded history, the Roman Catholic church executed many people who did not conform to its established doctrines.

At that time, the church and the state were hopelessly intertwined, allowing prosecution and even execution for crimes of faith. That is no longer the case in Christendom. Islam, on the other hand, still includes such mixing of political and religious institutions, which makes apostasy still a capital crime in a few countries.

This is one of the very best arguments against the co-mingling of the religious and political sectors. It is one of the reasons that our founding documents in the United States include a prohibition against both state-endorsed religion and interference by the state in religious practices and worship.

History and even today's reality demonstrate clearly that religion cannot be trusted to administer justice. Religion has its own laws, and has used them to execute people for merely disagreeing with those laws. Therefore, religion cannot be allowed to dictate and pass judgment on those who may not believe the tenets of a religion.

Criticism of religion is as much a right as adherence to a religion of choice. That is a concept that is well-established in modern civilization. However, it is not a concept that has always been held in esteem. Religions used to execute people for disbelief, heresy, and apostasy. In some cases, they still do. We can never allow such a thing to be part of our society. It should be anathema for all.

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Reply Fortunately, Heresy and Apostasy Are No Longer Capital Offenses (Original post)
MineralMan Thursday OP
Crutchez_CuiBono Thursday #1
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SWBTATTReg Thursday #3
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SWBTATTReg Thursday #6
Major Nikon Thursday #5
MineralMan Thursday #7
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:00 AM

1. good read, not sure if talking religion is a DU dis-qualifier today, but,

(I agree w that general rule, religion has really been a disappointing message in my lifetime.)
Whats more disturbing to me is that now that the rw has deemed itself the party of the "faithful", that politicians can direct who is targeted for moral outrage and punishment by the congregation. Bc...there's just generally NOT enough judgement and condemnation of a struggling populace. Ahem.
Thankfully, congregations are disappearing. That's part of the reason for the coziness of churches to political parties...a renewed source of revenue and promotion, even with dwindling alms in the dish every week.
PS>>>>GO TEACHERS AND STUDENTS IN NORTH CAROLINA!!!!!!
Buenos Suerte'

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #1)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:05 AM

2. This thread is in the Religion Group, and not subject

to the restrictions in the General Discussion Forum. The Religion Group is specifically for discussion of religion and its intersection with society from all points of view. It is an open area for discussion, where all are welcome, regardless of their beliefs or disbelief.

Discussions in this group are open to dissent from any side. Please feel welcome to join any discussion there!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:05 PM

10. Ah ha..

Ok.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:40 AM

3. Well said!!

Crimes against gay/bi persons still occurs though...in the name of religion and ...

whatever the perps want to call it. Gay persons still hide their IDs quite a bit even in today's world...

The horrific killing of Matthew Shepard in 1998 is widely seen as one of the worst anti-gay hate crimes in American history. Matthew was beaten by two assailants, Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson. They pistol whipped him with a gun then tied him to a fence in freezing conditions and set fire to him before leaving him to die. Etc. Matthew Shepard: A night of terror - Davidology.com

Denial of same sex couples to adopt occurs even in today's world. The same for marriages and/or benefits. Other acts of discrimination continue, and the list of excuses to do these acts of discrimination continue to be justified under a whole baker's dozen of excuses by various local, state and / or Fed. authorities.

I apologize for putting this in the religious category, but it does tie in to acts of discrimination by religious bodies against gay persons.


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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #3)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:46 AM

4. Yes, persecution of LGBTQ people is primarily led by right-wing,

fundamentalist Christians. So is persecution of people who demand control of their own reproductive rights. Jesus, if he existed, would no doubt be so proud of some of his followers. If he existed, that is.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:48 AM

6. More good points made by you. You're batting a 1000%! Nt

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:47 AM

5. Still warrants stalking and veiled threats of violence

So still best to keep your heresy to yourself.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #5)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:52 AM

7. I'm not that concerned, really.

However, I have started to check in on the Religion Group in the evening to defend my posts. I hate posting on my Kindle Fire, though. Its autocorrect feature has a very limited vocabulary, so I have to keep checking for substitutions.

I never used to bother at that time of day, but it seems I now need to, for some reason. Apparently, my posting hours have been noticed by some few. With choir practice this evening, though, I don't know if I'll be able to check in here until later. And who knows how long the rehearsal will last, you know. There's so much to do, and the group isn't always sharply focused on singing together at times.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:56 AM

8. To be safe you might want to keep it under 30 out of 80

You're at 18 right now.

Just sayin'

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:03 PM

9. Who's Counting?

I've noticed that someone is keeping count of my posts here. What a waste of time! I have this image of a finger pointing at each post as the count goes up. Then, since scrolling is not even, it's so easy to lose count and have to start over again.

While I'm more than a little gratified at the close attention being paid to my activities here, I worry that too much focus on that might be detrimental to some people's well-being.

I know I'm a bit too prolix, but that's my nature.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:06 PM

11. He's keeping count of all the heretical posts

Soon he will reveal all the data in a peer reviewed study published in the God-Bothering Journal. Thankfully it's a quarterly publication so you still have time to subscribe.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #11)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:17 PM

12. It's a common phenomenon in discussion forums:

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:35 PM

13. The conservative cavers also keep detailed notes on various DUers

So yes, the phenomenon also happens here and can get quite creepy and bizarre. The behavior is clearly neurotic, sometimes to the point of being pathological.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #13)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:39 PM

14. Oh, yes, they do. As a subject of such at that site,

I'm forever amazed at the detailed data they have. There have been other sites that do that, as well. Most of them have long ago disappeared, but the cave persists.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:54 PM

15. Sometimes the turds float to the top

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #15)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:55 PM

16. So I have observed, as well.

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