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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:06 PM Feb 2018

Good News: As Cape Towns water crisis nears Day Zero, faith groups spring into action

From the article:

Currently estimated for mid-May, Day Zero would mark the unprecedented moment when engineers close most of the city’s faucets. Nearly 4 million residents would be left to fetch daily water rations of just 25 liters (6.6 gallons) from fewer than 200 central collection points until rains resume or alternative sources come online....


Major political parties and faith groups in South Africa have long recognized the toll climate change is taking on citizens and the environment. As tensions rise and politicians point blame in every direction, faith groups are working across spiritual


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/02/07/as-cape-towns-water-crisis-nears-day-zero-faith-groups-spring-into-action/?utm_source=RNS+Updates&utm_campaign=27ddecf501-E
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Good News: As Cape Towns water crisis nears Day Zero, faith groups spring into action (Original Post) guillaumeb Feb 2018 OP
That other perspective: yallerdawg Feb 2018 #1
Why is a religious NGO claiming credit for the AIDS progress in Cape Town? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #14
What they actually need is massive government investment in desalination plants. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #2
And global climate change will only make the problem worse. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #5
pray for more water. nt msongs Feb 2018 #3
Global Climate Change MineralMan Feb 2018 #4
Says right in the book.. Permanut Feb 2018 #6
One clergyman in the article blames the population. Mariana Feb 2018 #7
Oh, yes, the blame game.. Permanut Feb 2018 #8
Hey, that's bad news about religion. trotsky Feb 2018 #11
I didn't post it. The g-man did. Mariana Feb 2018 #12
LOL! trotsky Feb 2018 #13
Everybody needs to do everything they can here Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #9
Well, the Judeo/Christian Deity is supposed to have MineralMan Feb 2018 #10
Best you could do? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #15
Apparently so, at least at that moment. MineralMan Feb 2018 #16

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. That other perspective:
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:15 PM
Feb 2018
“We have stopped major crises in the history of our country, and even this one will come to pass,” Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town Thabo Makgoba told the room, later referencing the HIV/AIDS epidemic and apartheid. Makgoba takes issue with the apocalyptic connotations of the name “Day Zero” and suggested parishioners consider “Day One” — his preferred term for the same scenario — as an opportunity for action.

“From a biblical perspective, the concept of void and nihilism does not sit well, because we take the creation story seriously,” he explained. “Zero has the connotation that this is the end. It doesn’t give us hope. But we are responsible. We can do something. We can avert it.”

A call to action, accommodation - and hope!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. Why is a religious NGO claiming credit for the AIDS progress in Cape Town?
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 07:52 PM
Feb 2018

This is a public health issue, with government programs lining up to combat it.
http://www.capetownetc.com/news/100-increase-aids-treatment-cape-town/


Organized Religion helped cause this problem.

Churches in South African townships have largely failed to use their social and cultural influence to combat the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Many churches reject HIV-positive members because they are ignorant about the causes of AIDS, have traditional views on sexual morality, or believe that HIV/AIDS is well-deserved punishment for immoral behavior. In addition, many organizations such as the South African Church Leaders Association have only formally acknowledged the severity of the HIV/AIDS epidemic within the last decade.[12]

Levy, N. C. "From Treatment to Prevention: The Interplay Between HIV/AIDS Treatment Availability and HIV/AIDS Prevention Programming in Khayelitsha, South Africa." Journal of Urban Health: Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine 82.3 (2005): 498-509. Print.

Above excerpt covers many south African townships, including Cape Town.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
2. What they actually need is massive government investment in desalination plants.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:38 PM
Feb 2018

Conservation measures are a good thing, but the problem is that regardless of drought conditions the area has outgrown its fresh water supply.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. And global climate change will only make the problem worse.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:04 PM
Feb 2018

And the pressure might increase violence in the area as people compete for resources.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
4. Global Climate Change
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:31 PM
Feb 2018

Why doesn't their deity send some rain? I mean, people are praying for it, right?

Permanut

(5,602 posts)
6. Says right in the book..
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:34 PM
Feb 2018

John 14:13-14 - "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do." I don't see the problem here.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
7. One clergyman in the article blames the population.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:42 PM
Feb 2018

“Each and every person must ask, ‘Where did I go wrong?’ We have done so much wrong. The consequences have brought us to where we are today,” said Sheikh Moegamad Moerat of Zeenatul Islam mosque. “Once we live in halal, Allah will send us beneficial rain.”

“The root cause is the way we live, the sins we commit,” added Sheikh Riad Fataar, second deputy president of the judicial council. “You have a hand in it, and you can correct it.”

Several imams encouraged worshippers to pay zakat, obligatory alms, citing a hadith attributed to the Prophet Muhammad that Allah withholds rain for those who withhold their charity.

Permanut

(5,602 posts)
8. Oh, yes, the blame game..
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 11:35 PM
Feb 2018

Kevin Swanson, pastor at the Reformation Church of Elizabeth, Colorado, from September 2017:

".. said on his radio show “Generations with Kevin Swanson” on Friday that the deadly storm that devastated Houston, Texas is God’s judgment of the city, and other cities like it, that have embraced “sexual perversion” and have not repented for it.

“Jesus sends the message home, unless Americans repent, unless Houston repents, unless New Orleans repents, they will all likewise perish,” Swanson said. “That is the message that the Lord Jesus Christ is sending home right now to America.”

[link:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pastor-kevin-swanson-houston-repent-sexual-perversion-hurricane-harvey_us_59a97d74e4b0b5e530fe394d|

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
12. I didn't post it. The g-man did.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:36 AM
Feb 2018

You know, his posts make much more sense, now that he's told us he's performing for a legion of secret admirers when he posts in this group. That explains a lot.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218270285#post159

Dorian Gray

(13,491 posts)
9. Everybody needs to do everything they can here
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 07:07 AM
Feb 2018

Religious or non religious. Conservation may be too late, but SA is in crisis mode here, and they need to plan strategically.

This isn't something that people of faith can do on their own.

The fact that this isn't more widely known here in the USA is a travesty. I've seen a couple of articles on it, but the orange menace and his drama is taking away from worldwide tragedies.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
10. Well, the Judeo/Christian Deity is supposed to have
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:39 AM
Feb 2018

once destroyed all life on our planet, save one family and some animals by sending too much water. Afterwards, it was written that the same deity said he'd never do that again. However, the deity did not say he wouldn't destroy all life again by sending no water at all.

A capricious sort of deity, it seems to me. People are praying for rain. The deity is saying, "No." Or so it seems.

Perhaps it has nothing whatever to do with deities at all.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. Best you could do?
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:16 PM
Feb 2018

Nothing to say about the actual post? I understand. Perhaps an inability to admit that positive news about religion exists.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
16. Apparently so, at least at that moment.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:11 AM
Feb 2018

The original post mentioned them praying. Do you think that will bring the rain?

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