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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:17 AM

I have not seen a post from Rug for awhile ..... ??

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Reply I have not seen a post from Rug for awhile ..... ?? (Original post)
Angry Dragon Sunday OP
Rhiannon12866 Sunday #1
Angry Dragon Sunday #2
Rhiannon12866 Sunday #3
Voltaire2 Sunday #4
Rhiannon12866 Sunday #5
Lordquinton Sunday #7
trotsky Monday #24
hrmjustin Sunday #9
Angry Dragon Sunday #6
No Vested Interest Sunday #8
Rhiannon12866 Sunday #17
Bretton Garcia Monday #19
Rhiannon12866 Monday #21
SWBTATTReg Monday #26
hrmjustin Sunday #10
Jim__ Sunday #11
No Vested Interest Sunday #12
Angry Dragon Sunday #13
Iggo Sunday #18
trotsky Monday #23
Iggo Monday #25
NeoGreen Monday #27
hrmjustin Sunday #14
Angry Dragon Sunday #15
No Vested Interest Sunday #16
AtheistCrusader Tuesday #38
hrmjustin Tuesday #39
AtheistCrusader Tuesday #40
hrmjustin Tuesday #41
guillaumeb Wednesday #58
Bretton Garcia Monday #20
trotsky Monday #22
hrmjustin Monday #28
Act_of_Reparation Tuesday #30
hrmjustin Tuesday #31
hrmjustin Tuesday #33
Act_of_Reparation Tuesday #34
hrmjustin Tuesday #35
Act_of_Reparation Tuesday #36
hrmjustin Tuesday #37
Bretton Garcia Tuesday #29
hrmjustin Tuesday #32
Rob H. Tuesday #42
Bretton Garcia Wednesday #45
trotsky Wednesday #46
edhopper Tuesday #43
Bretton Garcia Tuesday #44
trotsky Wednesday #47
Fix The Stupid Thursday #62
edhopper Thursday #64
hrmjustin Wednesday #48
Angry Dragon Wednesday #49
hrmjustin Wednesday #50
Lordquinton Wednesday #51
hrmjustin Wednesday #53
Lordquinton Wednesday #54
hrmjustin Wednesday #55
Lordquinton Wednesday #56
hrmjustin Wednesday #57
Lordquinton Wednesday #59
hrmjustin Wednesday #60
Mariana Thursday #61
Lordquinton Thursday #63
Bretton Garcia Yesterday #67
NeoGreen Yesterday #68
Iggo Thursday #65
No Vested Interest Yesterday #66
NeoGreen Yesterday #69
Lordquinton Yesterday #72
Iggo Yesterday #75
Lordquinton Yesterday #76
Hassin Bin Sober Yesterday #70
hrmjustin Yesterday #71
True Dough Wednesday #52
hrmjustin Yesterday #73
Angry Dragon Yesterday #74


Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:41 AM

2. thank you for answering ......... he must have been a bad boy

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:46 AM

3. Here's hoping he contacts the admins

These days, that's the only way of coming back from Flagged for Review. And it does look like most of it happened awhile ago. I'm used to looking things up here and I thought you deserved an answer.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:41 AM

4. I read in the ask the admins forum that they aren't bringing back the dead.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:48 AM

5. I guess it depends on what kind of case can be made

It's certainly worth a try.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:40 PM

7. Knowing what was posted

not a strong case.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:13 AM

24. Admins can look at his entire posting history.

Odds aren't good.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:10 PM

9. It appears not, but some have come back with new accounts.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:31 PM

6. I thank you again .......... Have a nice weekend

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:38 PM

8. Is "flagged for review" the the same as "banned"?

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:47 PM

17. No, it's a kind of limbo

Previously, posters were Flagged for Review and unable to post after 5 hides in 90 days, but became "active" again after one or more fell off the list.

Apparently the admins changed that after the animosity of the campaign and now those who are FFR are unable to post again until or unless they can make a case to the admins that they're willing to follow the ToS from now on.

Of course, the policy could change again, but Skinner has posted that the "amnesty" they gave FFR posters during the campaign didn't work as they had hoped. So, for the moment, FFR is as good as being banned for the foreseeable future. Hope that helps.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 02:38 AM

19. The very damaging hack of DU during the election

... undoubtedly has rightly increased concern for security, and internal threats.

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Response to Bretton Garcia (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 03:20 AM

21. That's true

And, unfortunately, a lot of DUers had trouble coming back after that - didn't remember passwords, e-mail changes -
including me. It took me awhile. Some even decided to start over, but that has to be rough if you've been here for years. I was lucky to have help from another DUer and the admins.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:29 AM

26. I was really nervous about signing on as a member to DU, after hacking

I am still nervous...and very protective (we all need to be)...however, after hacking, I definitely plan on donating funds to DU, who deserves it, to help maintain this website and associated community.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:12 PM

10. I hope the admins let him back.

There are several posters here believer and non-believer that are flagged that I hope are allowed back on. The religion room is not the same without them.

I really do miss chatting with rug through PMs but since he is flagged he can't do that.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:28 PM

11. There's definitely more discussion when Rug is here.

I hope he comes back.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:40 PM

12. The Religion group as well as the Catholicism & Orthodox Christianity subgroup have been very dull

in the last months.
The Catholicism subgroup was usually full of new articles with all manner of subjects, a group to which I subscribed.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:28 PM

13. what you say is true

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 11:07 PM

18. Far as I can tell, it's exactly the same with him or without him.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:10 AM

23. It's actually quite a bit more civil, IMHO. n/t

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Response to trotsky (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:20 AM

25. Good.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:41 AM

27. I see a far greater diversity in those who post...

...without rug than with, i.e. there is a greater diversity of opinion being presented here for discussion.

The forum is not being dominated by one person.

I think the change is for the better.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:46 PM

14. I am going to send a pm to Skinner asking Skinner to let Rug back.

I hope others do as well.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:24 PM

15. add my name as well

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:27 PM

16. I support your pm to Skinner asking Skinner to bring Rug back.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 11:10 AM

38. You should sponsor him in some way, so that if he gets banned again.. i mean... uh...

You know, so he has a chaperone to keep his passions in check.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #38)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 11:36 AM

39. you of all people know what a bad idea that is.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #39)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:20 PM

40. Oh I heartily encourage it.

It's good for... the soul?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #40)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:25 PM

41. lol troublemaker!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:15 PM

58. An excellent idea. I will do the same. eom

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 02:42 AM

20. Rug was a useful foil to argue against?

Maybe.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:10 AM

22. rug's account has been suspended.

There is a reason for that. He is FAR from an innocent victim.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:57 AM

28. Well at least he didn't use his profile to say nasty things about DU members when he got

Flagged.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:46 AM

30. Is this something trotsky did?

If not, I have to wonder how it's relevant.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #30)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:11 AM

33. A few former members who used to post in this room used their profiles

To insult Rug and others in this room after they were flagged.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #33)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:13 AM

34. So what.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:19 AM

35. you weren't the target of it.

Rug and I was.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:24 AM

36. I'm asking how it's relevant.

What do those two have to do with trotsky's post?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #36)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:25 AM

37. because I felt like making the point!

That's why!

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:10 AM

29. The religion group at DU is a group, not a forum

This means that we don't have to put up with persons very strongly opposed to the basic orientation of the group. Which in our case is a critical, usually atheistic perspective on religion.

Though, maybe some diversity, mild controversy, is useful. So long as we all are clearly liberal, and democratic?

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Response to Bretton Garcia (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:07 AM

32. People with all sorts of views on religion are allowed to post in this room.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:55 PM

42. FTR, he also figured out the real name of an atheist poster here

Last edited Thu Aug 17, 2017, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)

and used it in a response to that poster. He then refused to delete it after the poster asked him to. Doxxing should be grounds for an immediate ppr, imo, so good riddance.

Edit: this is the post I'm talking about. Note that admin had to step in and delete it.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:00 AM

45. Useful info; thanks.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:56 AM

46. GREAT point.

Had forgotten about that. Hope the Admins haven't.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 09:33 PM

43. Rug gave the best reasoning

for my continued atheism.
His posts affirmed the nonexistence of God.

He also reinforced my contemptuous view of the Catholic Church.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #43)

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 11:22 PM

44. : ) Well said.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #43)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:57 AM

47. Amen, brother! n/t

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Response to edhopper (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:04 AM

62. I actually pity the man...honest truth.


Imagine living your whole life believing this nonsense...I mean your WHOLE life...

I think in some people the realization that they could have been deluded for SO MANY YEARS is just too much for their minds to comprehend and this is how they act...it's all projection with him.

Once you noticed the patterns, it became obvious to me.

One thing is clear - he was a very smart man. Very witty. I also respected his anti-war positions - he took on many of DU's sacred cows in other forums...he was definitely not afraid of engaging them and I admit I agreed with him probably 100% of the time - except for anything in this forum

I'll admit I goaded him a bit on exorcism...I just wish he would have stated something like this, instead of the usual snark..." Yes, exorcism is a part of the catholic church - Yes, it's a hold over from centuries past and it is one of the facets of this religion I think is silly and needs reformed..." Something along those lines would have permanently made me stop posting about exorcism and the catholic church - he just could never get there...

FYI - I was raised catholic, stopped going when I was around 11 or 12 - I saw thru it then and my parents let me opt out of all that stuff - a few years later, they got out too...so I know a bit about the catholic lifestyle.


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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #62)

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:50 PM

64. I really think

he felt it was his mission to defend the Church and was going to be graced by God for doing so.

Which is sad.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:10 PM

48. I know it wasn't your desire but this thread should probably be deleted.

Some are using this to make accusations that rug can't defend himself against because he can't post now.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:43 PM

49. I was just wondering where he was........had not seen him in awhile

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #49)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:52 PM

50. I know. My point was not about you.

Others who don't like him are using this thread to bash him.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:55 PM

51. There are statements of facts

But I haven't seen any accusations.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #51)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:33 PM

53. I can't say what they are. All I can say is he can't defend himself now.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #53)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 02:05 PM

54. Well, they're facts

Not much to defend really.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #54)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 02:06 PM

55. And my point still stands.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #55)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:20 PM

56. It really doesn't.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:49 PM

57. Whatever.

You guys got your wish in the end.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #57)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:16 PM

59. What do youean "you guys"

This was self inflicted.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:18 PM

60. Oh he would be the first to say his hides were his own doing.

And you guys I mean those of you who have made clear your dislike for him.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #60)

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:36 AM

61. If Rug hadn't made his intense dislike of some DUers so obvious

maybe he'd still be here.

As you say, it was his own doing.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #60)

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:52 AM

63. Also his own doing.

I do agree this thread should be locked, hard to get more meta than this.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #63)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:34 AM

67. It serves a useful memorial function? Or a chance to...

Publicise and support DU rules.

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Response to Bretton Garcia (Reply #67)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:35 AM

68. It can function as a means for both...

...options you presented.

And both have some measure of value.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:41 PM

65. Them ain't accusations. Them's anecdotes!



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Response to Iggo (Reply #65)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:03 AM

66. Rug contributed to other groups other than Religion - the Lounge, Catholic & Orthodox Christianity,

Humor, GD, and likely others of which I'm not aware.
By banning him, in effect, because of an offense in Religion group, we who appreciated his many contribution to other groups no longer have the benefit of his contributions in Catholic & Orthodox Christianity.

Others are contributing OPs, but nowhere near the volume of Rug's work in that group.
I would like to have him readmitted, with whatever caveats necessary.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #66)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:57 AM

69. I would vote to not forgive unrepentant Doxxing...

Last edited Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

...i.e. the posting of real world personal data on another user without their permission and the subsequent refusal to remove the offending information.

Offending Post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=240117

The request for removal for the offending information and the refusal follow that post.

I would characterize what happened as Aggravated Doxxing: It wasn't a mistake, there was no mea culpa, there was no attempt to correct.

The DU admins had to step in and fix the problem.

The rules of DU have been applied appropriately.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #65)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:17 PM

72. Nope

Fact is fact.

Look it up.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #72)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:44 PM

75. I believe it. I was there for some of it (although I threw in the towel years ago.)

Probably should have said, "Those aren't accusations. Those are reports of what happened."

But that wasn't as catchy.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #75)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:59 PM

76. I got ya.

Just feeling a little sensitive today.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:36 AM

70. You are opposed to threads about ffr'd Duers who can't defend themselves , eh?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #70)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:39 AM

71. Yeah you caught me. But in all farness this thread is actually against the rules of the room.

But yeah that is hypocritical my part.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:04 PM

52. I started a thread about Rug in the DU Lounge a few weeks ago

It was deleted by a mod within 10 minutes and I got a message indicating not to interfere with the moderation process. I also got a hide.

I had disagreements with Rug several times but still respected him. I figured he'd written a few things in anger and that got him flagged, but I didn't know about the doxing. That's really unfortunate.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:30 PM

73. Well I just got my fourth hide so if I get a fifth you know what happened to me.

So if I get flagged to all the posters in this room don't take anything I said too personally. I always enjoyed the give and take.

I stand by my recent hides and I wish you all well.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #73)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:36 PM

74. I got two out of one thread

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