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Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:23 AM

Karen Handel to Voter: My Faith Calls Me to Oppose Your Gay Daughters Rights

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/17/karen-handel-to-voter-my-faith-calls-me-to-oppose-your-gay-daughters-rights/




Karen Handel to Voter: “My Faith Calls Me” to Oppose Your Gay Daughter’s Rights

When asked about same-sex couples adopting children, something she has opposed in the past, Handel first told reporters that her faith called her “to a very different place on these issues.” Handel, who is trailing Ossoff by a slim margin in the polls heading into Tuesday, doubled down on that answer when she was approached by a concerned mother.


The mother said to Handel:
“My daughter is part of the LGBT community and, as a mom, I’m like, ‘What protections do I have for her having a family in the future, for being able to adopt and have kids?’ There’s part of me that has the conservative nature, but then there’s the other part of me that’s like, ‘I accept my daughter,’ so I’m split and torn.”

Handel, looking and sounding dismissive of the mother, responded:
“Look, I have to be honest, my faith calls me to a different place on the issue. My faith also calls me to be compassionate, so I’ll try to do that.”


To put that another way, Handel’s Christian faith, which most Christians would say is about love and acceptance and forgiveness, compels her to discriminate against same-sex couples and deny them the right to a family. She’d rather let a child go unadopted than putting one in the care of a loving gay or lesbian couple.

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Reply Karen Handel to Voter: My Faith Calls Me to Oppose Your Gay Daughters Rights (Original post)
NeoGreen Jun 2017 OP
Xipe Totec Jun 2017 #1
riversedge Jun 2017 #2
DFW Jun 2017 #10
Plucketeer Jun 2017 #25
Initech Jun 2017 #22
BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #45
Glorfindel Jun 2017 #3
Murtagh101 Jun 2017 #4
Brainstormy Jun 2017 #6
NeoGreen Jun 2017 #7
Hortensis Jun 2017 #13
Raster Jun 2017 #23
AwakeAtLast Jun 2017 #30
Murtagh101 Jun 2017 #34
Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #42
niyad Jun 2017 #46
sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #5
sarge43 Jun 2017 #11
DFW Jun 2017 #14
pangaia Jun 2017 #28
LuckyLib Jun 2017 #41
Roland99 Jun 2017 #8
annabanana Jun 2017 #36
trotsky Jun 2017 #9
Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #12
Permanut Jun 2017 #15
AJT Jun 2017 #16
airmid Jun 2017 #17
hrmjustin Jun 2017 #18
rurallib Jun 2017 #19
FlaGranny Jun 2017 #20
Bettie Jun 2017 #24
hunter Jun 2017 #32
Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #47
Mariana Jun 2017 #29
greymattermom Jun 2017 #21
Raster Jun 2017 #26
Marthe48 Jun 2017 #27
volstork Jun 2017 #33
Marthe48 Jun 2017 #39
volstork Jun 2017 #40
Marthe48 Jun 2017 #43
volstork Jun 2017 #44
Orrex Jun 2017 #31
radhika Jun 2017 #35
Maven Jun 2017 #37
bullwinkle428 Jun 2017 #38

Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:24 AM

1. God, save us from your followers. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:31 AM

2. I will add the goddessess. We need all the help we can get.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:10 AM

10. Like the old saying goes:

I have nothing against God. It's his fan club I can't stand.

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Response to DFW (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:56 AM

25. AMEN to that! nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:43 AM

22. I'm convinced that their god is a raging asshole.

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Response to Initech (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:07 PM

45. Yep

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:34 AM

3. I'll bet that the repulsive bigot is just fine with LGBTQ persons paying taxes, though

Let's be honest. These "Christians" don't give a rat's ass about orphans or the poor. All they are interested in is POWER. Well, their reward is waiting for them.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:37 AM

4. New to DU...but been reading awhile.

It seems that you can't post in DU a new thread without having at least replied to some other threads.
I understand this.
So this is my first reply.
But the reason I signed up is that my roomie came up with the slogan to end all slogans for the Democratic party for 2018 and beyond...

Repeal and Replace the Republicans.

Someone might have already said it, i don't know.
It's short, it's simple and it dove tails nicely into pointing out that they want to take away people's health care.

Sorrry to hijack this small reply in this thread, but I just had to get it out into the cosmic brain and hopefully starting to percolate.


Murt

Again sorry I was not really on topic.

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:56 AM

6. Welcome to DU. n/t

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:59 AM

7. No worries, and welcome...

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:18 AM

13. Welcome, and that slogan did have immediate appeal

right here, really hope voters hand Handel her third rejection tomorrow.

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:54 AM

23. Welcome to DU!

And actually, I believe your post fits right in...

Repeal and Replace the Republicans.

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:23 AM

30. Welcome!

Are you, by chance, a fan of Outlander (going by your username)?



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Response to AwakeAtLast (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:53 AM

34. Actually

I have watched some "Outlander", but my handle comes from YONKS and YONKS ago back in the Dinosaur daze of the Intertubular highway when we had 100 baud modems etc etc. I hung out on some early chat boards that ran on apple 2's. Called Diversidial. And i just plucked this handle out of the atmosphere was also way before the "Lethal Weapon" movies too.

Murt

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:47 AM

42. "I'm Andrew Janz and I'm Here to Repeal and Replace Devin Nunes" MAY 11, 2017

"I'm Andrew Janz and I'm Here to Repeal and Replace Devin Nunes"

MAY 11, 2017

Protesters gathered in front of Congressman Devin Nunes’ office in Clovis on Thursday, upset about his vote to support the GOP health care plan and critical of his handling of the investigation into Russian election interference.

And, to hear from the first challenger to Nunes in the 2018 midterm election, a 33-year-old Fresno County deputy district attorney making his first run for office.

“I’m Andrew Janz and I’m here to repeal and replace Devin Nunes,” Janz told the crowd of about 80 supporters in the Central Valley town outside of Fresno.

“We’re here today because the congressman cast a vote last week for a bill that is a disaster for the American people … and we are here today because Devin Nunes won’t meet with us,” Janz said.

Janz, 33, of Visalia, told reporters he’d never thought about running for office until recently, when national political developments spurred him to get involved. He said he was especially motivated by the actions of his own representative, Nunes, on health care, and the complaint among some locals that the congressman ignored them.

Those concerns and critiques were echoed by the demonstrators.

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/05/11/nunes-challenger-to-lead-health-care-rally/

Welcome to DU

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Response to Murtagh101 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:33 PM

46. welcome to du

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:44 AM

5. Why doesn't someone ask her, 'Where in the Bible does it say

LGBT people are more abominable than polyester?'

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:13 AM

11. Or tatoos or shellfish or touching a football or working on the Sabbeth

Letting iron age control freaks run your life. Yeah, that's a good idea.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:20 AM

14. Someone needs to play this for her:

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Response to DFW (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:12 AM

28. How I miss that show.

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Response to DFW (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:31 AM

41. Stunning writing, great characters.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:01 AM

8. Her faith is ALWAYS subordinate to our secular, civil laws!

Fucking zealot

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:09 AM

36. Yup. If NOT, she has no business in public office!. . . .n/t

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:03 AM

9. And her beliefs are no more or less valid than anyone else's.

The magic of religion.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:15 AM

12. As the father of a gay daughter myself, this is infuriating.

Fuck you Karen Handel. I may be a Jew, but I know what your Jesus said about homosexuality and gay people.


That's right, NOTHING!

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:21 AM

15. Okay, so I guess we'll go ahead and make some changes..

We'll scratch out the part of the Pledge of Allegiance where it says "with liberty and justice for all". We'll leave in the part about "under God", though, of course.

The preamble to the Constitution will need to be changed to get rid of that "promote the general welfare" stuff. We will decree that the part about securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity applies only to certain groups.

The fourteenth amendment has to go, and in spite of the 19th amendment, we'll pretend that the Constitution granted equal rights to everybody right from the beginning.

What the hell, let's just toss out the Constitution, and use the Bible as our governing document instead. We don't need a Supreme Court either; Handel, Pat Robertson, Pence et al are perfectly capable of ruling on what our "faith" requires.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:22 AM

16. But....but, sharia law!

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:22 AM

17. If your faith trumps your ability to serve ALL your constituents, then you have no business in

government...period

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:24 AM

18. I remind these bigots that God made me Gay.

 

And my faith requires me to give aid and comfort to my fellow man.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:33 AM

19. " My faith also calls me to be compassionate"

so we allow people to cover their hits while we kick them around.

Compassionate? what a laugh. My cat has more compassion with a mouse.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:34 AM

20. Sometimes I think that

some Christians rely on the old testament much more than they do the new one and much more than most Jews do. They especially like Leviticus. They certainly ignore the "cast the first stone" part of their Christian doctrine.

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Response to FlaGranny (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:54 AM

24. That's because they are

Cafeteria Christians. They take a big helping of what they like (bigotry) and none of the stuff that doesn't appeal to them, like that 'cast the first stone' stuff!

My grandma used this word to describe people who showed up in the front row of church every Sunday and then screwed people over on the other 6 days. She was also the one who told me to avoid stores with the fish symbol in their ads, because "if you have to tell people you're a Christian, you're not showing it by your actions".

Boy, I am glad she's not here to see what we've become.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:31 AM

32. Oh man, that fish symbol...

... so many wear it like a bandage over their lying cheating ways.

I avoid businesses that use it in their advertising.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 02:26 PM

47. All Christians are "Cafeteria Christians"

Liberal Christians ignore most of the bad stuff Jesus had to say. Conservative Christians ignore most of the good stuff.

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Response to FlaGranny (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:17 AM

29. Every Christian picks and chooses

which parts of the Bible they're going to follow and which parts they will ignore.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:36 AM

21. My brother in law came out as gay

after being married and having two children. What would she say about him?

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:56 AM

26. Oh no, honey... NOT the "god" thing...

...it is YOUR BIGOTRY and YOUR HOMOPHOBIA and YOUR HATRED that calls you to a different place on the LGBTQ issue.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:06 AM

27. If you can't set your faith aside, step aside

JFK had to assure American voters that being Catholic would not influence his ability to lead. I liked that when I was 7. I like it now, much better than politicians slobbering about their faith.

Jesus said: Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's. Jesus understood the realities of being human. He gave us a pass on this kind of judgement call.

If somebody is too power mad to understand this simple concept, get off the public stage and join your church choir.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:44 AM

33. Absolutely.

People who think (?) this way have NO place in public life. They are doing nothing but trying to foist their agendas on the public; they have no intention of serving the public. They are looking for theocracy. Here's a newsflash for them: theocracy exists in Iran and Saudi Arabia and Yemen and The Vatican, etc. Go THERE if you are so interested in forcing religion down the throats of others.

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Response to volstork (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:22 AM

39. Love one another-Jesus

all men (humans) are created equal-The Constitution of the United States of America.

Pretty easy to work those 2 together without getting some panties in a twist.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:23 AM

40. Not for them.

Xian Jeezus don't beleeve in that shit

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Response to volstork (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:47 AM

43. their religion is as perverted as their view of sex

n/t

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:30 AM

44. Have to agree with you on that.

Puritanical repression/suppression is alive and well. These people are small and miserable, and have no idea of the joy life can bring.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:25 AM

31. Oh yeah? Well MY faith says that faux-religious politicians should be pilloried

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:58 AM

35. Note she says "your daughter's" rights

As if she's not speaking to adult Georgia women by saying "my faith calls me to oppose YOUR rights".

Under Xtian fascism, faith justifies all sorts of crimes, restrictions and penalties to be imposed on the larger community. Under patriarchy, daughters are the property of parents. Parents decide what the child can have have or do. Handel wants to be the mommy.

Given how far America has fallen, Handel may scrape up enough obedient children of voting age to win.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:11 AM

37. My humanity calls me to oppose toxic assholes like Karen Handel. nt

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:12 AM

38. "Jesus told me to HATE YOUR GUTS!!1!1!"

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