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Just Jane
Sermons, Stories, and Musings by Rev. Jane Page, Unitarian Universalist Minister
Thursday, March 7, 2013
Standing Up to Gundamentalism
This weekend is one of two weekends in March identified by the interfaith group Heeding Gods Promise as a weekend to promote Gun Violence Prevention. Other organizations including the Brady Campaign have been encouraging faith groups to get involved for some time. But this big push for something this month probably is in hope that the timing is right for the government to finally do something pass something vote on something, -- if enough voices are heard.
So a while back when I saw this request, I checked the box and agreed to dedicate this service to gun violence prevention. Its not the kind of sermon I especially enjoy doing. I like uplifting sermons, funny sermons, sermons that make our hearts glad! Yet I am determined that we as Unitarian Universalists must stand up not only to religious fundamentalism but today to religious gundamentalism.
Gundamentalism is a term coined by Rev. Rachel Smith, founder of the God not Guns Initiative. Its an offshoot of fundamentalism. Its adherents believe that nothing is as important as the right to own and carry a gun. Or many guns. Their interpretation (and now the courts interpretation) of the 2nd Amendment to the constitution appears to be more important than any commandment that Moses toted down that mountain or any passage from Christian scriptures. Rev. Smith says that their mantra, Guns dont kill people, people kill people, is a magnificent half-truth that attempts to absolve gundamentalism of responsibility for the American epidemic of gun violence. This mantra is chanted over and over until it drowns out the Bilblical mandates of thou shalt not kill; love your neighbor as yourself; forgive seventy times seven; do good to those who hate you.
Gundamentalism emphasizes FEAR of the other. And their Lord of protection is the powerful NRA (praise be unto it). They really believe that the answer to our gun violence is more gun violence. I thought Rev. Smith had a good response to the call to allow guns on campuses after the Virginia Tech shootings. She said: Sometimes I wonder if the proponents of guns on campus have ever been on a childrens playground. Just picture a group of children playing. If one child picks up a stick and begins hitting the others, what would you do? Most parents would take the offending child aside, take the stick, and if the child can play without harming others, let the child return to the group. One thing we certainly wouldnt do is give all the other children sticks (bigger, better sticks perhaps?) with which to defend themselves. If we wouldnt arm our children with sticks when they are small, why would we arm them with guns when they are older? Yet the NRA and various state legislatures keep moving in the opposite direction.
Then on December 14, we had the Newtown shootings at Sandy Hook School. Although wed had many mass shootings before at schools, public gatherings, malls, theaters, and even houses of worship, this one seemed to capture the hearts and attention of folks even more. Perhaps it was because of the age of most of the victims cute, precious little first graders. While thousands of urban teens and young adults are victims of gun violence each year, that doesnt get the headlines or the hearts as easily. Even some very conservative folks were saying, Enough is enough. But the powerful religion of gundamentalism led by the NRA will not give up. This may take a massive and continuous outcry to make a difference.
So here I am today --- crying out with others that Enough is Enough! Youve heard the statistics before so I wont show a lot of slides for each of these, but I do want to give a reminder of some of the BLOODY STATISTICS.
Each year nearly 30,000 Americans are killed by guns. In the last 40 years, more than one million Americans have died as a result of gun violence.
Firearms are the second leading cause of death (after motor vehicle accidents) for young people ages 19 and under in the U.S.
Eight American children and teens age 19 and under are killed by guns every day.
Heres a comparison statistic that should shock you. The number of children and teens killed by guns since 1979 is two and a half times greater than the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in the Vietnam (47,434) or Korean (33,739) Wars, and over 22 times greater than American military personnel killed in the wars in Afghanistan (1,712) and in Iraq (3,518). Yet, The United States of America has spent $1.5 trillion on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars so far, purportedly to protect our children and citizens from enemies without, while ignoring the reality that the greatest threats to child safety and wellbeing come from enemies within. (Marion Wright Edelman Huffington Post blog).
ALSO -- There are far more suicides than there are homicides. And, guns kept in the home for self-protection are 43 times more likely to kill a family member, friend or acquaintance than to kill an intruder, according to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Guns on the street or in the house make us less safe.
And finally, if dollars mean more than lives to some folks ---- Gun violence costs the U.S. at least $1 billion annually.
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http://revjanepage.blogspot.com/2013/03/standing-up-to-gundamentalism.html
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Is real - open your heart.
stone space
(6,498 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Who here is a "gundamentalist"?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)with nothing to back them up. Don't expect anything better here.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I have lots of guns, and also support quite a lot of gun control.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)==== goats explode ====
trotsky
(49,533 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Eventually, he murdered 3 of the folks that he had been terrorizing over time with his open carry activism.
The gun he wore on his hip was part of his gundamentalist religious attire. His religion demanded that he wear this idol everywhere he went.
Were you under the impression that atheists are immune from fundamentalism?
rug
(82,333 posts)Ritzheimer stated his purpose loud and clear before saying a word during an interview with AZCentral.com.
As he sat in front of a camera, Ritzheimer wore a t-shirt that read "F*** Islam." Still, Ritzheimer who says he's a patriot and an atheist claimed, "I don't condone any threats against the mosque."
http://www.businessinsider.com/an-anti-islam-rally-held-in-front-of-a-mosque-in-phoenix-urged-participants-to-bring-guns-2015-5
Who unsurprisingly turned up in Oregon.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/oregon-jon-ritzheimer-armed-militants-anti-muslim-donald-trump/
And after three months is out on bail awaiting federal charges.
http://www.12news.com/news/jon-ritzheimer-granted-pretrial-release/89144227
Had to give up his guns as a condition of bail, though.
stone space
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I'm surprised that they let him out on bail. I hadn't heard that.
But at least they had enough sense to take away his guns this time.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Gods and guns! Since Constantine the christian god has been a war god.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Whether religious or atheist.
Gundamentalism is much more than simply owning a gun.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)In particular religious white Protestants. Gods and guns go hand in hand. Onward Christian soldiers!
stone space
(6,498 posts)Even the mere act of running away from their Gods of Metal is deemed an act of disrespect that must be punished.
Those who run from their Metallic Gods in fear are labeled as "thieves", in a gundamentalist misreading of both the law and of the 7th Commandment.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Atheists are not big gun owners and are big gun control supporters.
It is not clear how adultery factors in to gun control, but your God was unclear about which of his alleged commandments were in the supposed 10 anyway. Or is it 7? Anyway there are at least eight different interpretations of the rules. You likely meant theft even though adultery is the more common occupant of 7. Good thing they were written in stoned!
Goats own zero guns.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Oh wait, that wasn't your point, was it?
I do need to point out that weaponized goats are not a serious problem, yet.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Oh wait, that wasn't your point, was it?
If the Gundamentalist Atheist Crusaders and the Gundamentalist Christian Soldiers here on DU and elsewhere had their way, we'd all be arrested whenever we dared to run away from their Metallic Gods in fear, and whenever we dial 911.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Thanks for the link for the other thread. Makin' my life easy bro.
rug
(82,333 posts)https://www.facebook.com/Atheists-with-Guns-243614255765805/
stone space
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To paraphrase Mitt Romney, "Guns are people too, my friend".
Atheists with Guns added a new photo.
April 28
That's the latest post there. April 28 is pretty recent. I wonder what spurred this latest meme?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Or did you fail to actually read Reverend Page's sermon in the OP?
Gundamentalism is a term coined by Rev. Rachel Smith, founder of the God not Guns Initiative. Its an offshoot of fundamentalism. Its adherents believe that nothing is as important as the right to own and carry a gun. Or many guns. Their interpretation (and now the courts interpretation) of the 2nd Amendment to the constitution appears to be more important than any commandment that Moses toted down that mountain or any passage from Christian scriptures. Rev. Smith says that their mantra, Guns dont kill people, people kill people, is a magnificent half-truth that attempts to absolve gundamentalism of responsibility for the American epidemic of gun violence. This mantra is chanted over and over until it drowns out the Bilblical mandates of thou shalt not kill; love your neighbor as yourself; forgive seventy times seven; do good to those who hate you.
Some folks don't like UU's because of their opposition to fundamentalism.
Are folks not allowed to criticize fundamentalism here in the religion forum?
Or are some forms of fundamentalism deemed off-limits to criticism?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)My children are still UU's. So....no, I don't have anything against them.
What I don't like is the constant inclusion of guns in the religion forum. There is a different basement for the gun bullshit. Go put it there. I know you get your ass handed to you there and that is where you get most of your hides for your forced vacations, but that is no reason to bring your gun nonsense here.
Quit trying to make guns a religion. It's silly.
stone space
(6,498 posts)This is an important religious issue.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:00 AM - Edit history (1)
Feel free to crosspost Rev. Jane Page's sermon on gundamentalism to the A&A group.
Since many UU's are atheists, it would fit in that forum, as well.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I'm not interested in posting in a forum that hands my ass to me with posts like these. Not sure why you are trying to get me to post there again after having my ass handed to me like this.
In fact, I'm not even sure why you are bringing this up in the Religion Forum.
Do you support the way that Gundamentalists here on DU hand peoples asses to them in that forum? Why cheer them on in this forum, when you can just post your support for their ass-handing over there, instead of here?
How did my having my ass handed to me in that forum even become an issue here in the Religion Forum?
Why are you bringing it up here?
I'm including the links so you can register your support for their Gundamentalist ass-handing over there instead of here in the Religion Forum.
Why does he not correct that bad behavior that even he recognizes as bad?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=193067
Wow. He takes reading comprehension problems to a new level.
My point was that Stone Space says Stone Space needs to be shot. I was wondering why he would say that.
The reading comprehension of the three jurors is also in question.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=193091
rug
(82,333 posts)As warren tries, ineptly, to point out, there is a religious component to gun violence and gun control.
So, try to hand his ass to him. It will be enlightening to see which side you end up on.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)guns are treated like a religion by some in this country? (I would agree, but think it is a minority)
Or are you looking at how religious believers and nonbelievers view guns?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)As usual, nobody knows what the hell he's talking about.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I included her name and a photograph in the OP, as well.
Rev. Jane Page, Unitarian Universalist Minister
mr blur
(7,753 posts)I quite agree but we don't see them over here so I don't feel the need to rave about them.
Sure, there's a place on DU to talk about guns but the gun-lovers in the Gun forum don't enjoy hearing about how awful he thinks they are, so they don't put up with it.
He figures that, hey, people love their guns! Almost like they love...Gawd! So guns are like...wait...wait for it...a religion!
And this is the Religion group so...keep up with me here...nearly there......he can talk about guns as a gun-hater and talk about religion as a Faitheist! Genius!
If you object to your religion being equated with weapons of mass destruction well, why are you so sensitive? Don't you understand the subtle truths he's introducing you to? Well, don't blame him, he's just a truth seeker in love with the mathematical perfection of the Universe.
If you object to religion, why, you're insulting his wife. Who is religious, so he knows how wonderful believers are. And if you criticise Faith, why you're attacking his wife. I imagine that her religion is OK because she believes it and it probably doesn't involve many guns.
You must know how it goes, round and round. . You can't laugh at him because he has no sense of humour. Try it and watch how he pretends to not know what you're talking about and sinks into victimhood (why are you saying "Bang" to me?) ("Locked and loaded"...duh, what does that mean?). Rinse and repeat. Ad nauseam.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)Just wondering, but I really don't care.
I have a very low tolerance for comparing things to religion than are not similar except in a very broad sense.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)... to thirty-year fixed-rate mortgages? You see, with both, you make periodic payments to secure a freehold interest in something, and if you fall behind in your payments, an authority figure comes down on you; and, finally, when you die, you find out that you own nothing at all?
edhopper
(33,479 posts)and people certainly had irrational faith in real estate during the bubble years.
stone space
(6,498 posts)If you object to religion, why, you're insulting his wife. Who is religious, so he knows how wonderful believers are. And if you criticise Faith, why you're attacking his wife. I imagine that her religion is OK because she believes it and it probably doesn't involve many guns.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Response to stone space (Reply #33)
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stone space
(6,498 posts)stone space
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I quite agree but we don't see them over here so I don't feel the need to rave about them.
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Sometimes, when it comes to religion, it's not all about you and your privilege.
In fact, many atheists would disagree with your self-centered notion that if one is privileged in some way, nobody else matters, and silence is an acceptable response.
So, while I will congratulate you on your privilege, I will not allow you to use that privilege to enforce religious silence on serious issues of religious significance here in this country.
Rev. Jane Page's sermon on gundamentalism deserves to be heard, even if you feel that her sermon isn't needed where you live.
Over the past seven days, America witnessed nine mass shootings that left one dead and 43 wounded. These attacks bring the US mass shooting body count so far in 2016 to 112 dead and 443 injured. Meanwhile, Europe suffered zero mass shootings last week, holding the continent's body count in such attacks this year steady at 20 dead and 66 injured.
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http://www.vice.com/read/america-marked-memorial-day-weekend-with-a-deluge-of-mass-shootings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027882563
And, incidentally, as I explained to another poster above, Rev Jane Page is a woman.