Australian abuse victims crowdfund trip to Rome to confront Cardinal Pell

[trotsky]

http://www.religionnews.com/2016/02/17/australian-clergy-sex-abuse-vatican-pell/

Australian victims of child sex abuse have raised over $85,000 through crowd funding to travel to Rome to watch the Vatican’s Australian-born finance controller give videolink evidence to a local inquiry.

Catholic Cardinal George Pell, a man once seen as a contender to become pope, had been scheduled to testify at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in the Australian city of Ballarat.

...

The inquiry heard testimony last year that priests suspected of abuse in Pell’s former diocese were moved between parishes and put in church-appointed rehabilitation instead of being reported to police.

“The survivors of Ballarat and District child abuse feel that a face-to-face hearing is important for healing and understanding” said the group’s crowd funding page.

This story is strange, because I have recently been told that church officials are *required* to report abuse cases to local authorities. George Pell failed to do this, and not only does he remain unpunished, he holds a prominent position at the Vatican. Something doesn't add up!

[rug]

1. How much are you kicking in?

[trotsky]

2. Why are Pell and Law free men?

You can throw as much snark and make as many personal attacks as you want, but your church is STILL protecting criminals.

[rug]

3. Is that an answer to my question?

Is the answer, "nothing"?

[trotsky]

4. No, this is your answer:

You can throw as much snark and make as many personal attacks as you want, but your church is STILL protecting criminals.

[rug]

5. Snark? Maybe. Personal attacK? LOL.

[trotsky]

6. It's what you do, rug.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself.

The claim here is that your church has yet to subject Pell and Law to any punishment for failing to report child abuse to the authorities (and protecting the priests who were doing it).

Do you dispute the claim?

[rug]

7. Define making coded personal attacks on DU members who disagree with you on religion.

It's what you do, trotsky.

[trotsky]

8. You are not disputing the claim.

OK, thanks.

[rug]

9. Neither are you.

[trotsky]

10. Nope, because I know your church continues to protect rapists and their enablers.

I'm glad you do too.

[rug]

13. I know many things you know, trotsky, and quite a bit more.

That's not one of them.

[trotsky]

17. Well I'm glad that now you do know your church is protecting abusive priests and their enablers.

We accomplished something today, rug. That's awesome.

[rug]

28. That's two things.

[trotsky]

29. Let's make it three things you've learned:

5 hidden posts gets you a vacation from DU.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Maybe the answer is 'I'm not going to confirm my real name is in this list of 3k people'.

After all, there's a rule about personal identities, and the disclosure thereof on DU. Confirmation of a donation and the amount, would significantly narrow the range of personal identities in that list.

Respect people's privacy.

Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

Try reading the rules sometime.

[trotsky]

24. Someone who's had their account flagged for review, had multiple timeouts...

and is dangerously close to yet another, is probably not all that keen on following the rules.

[rug]

27. That mst be it. One cannot hide ib a list of thousands.

[AtheistCrusader]

31. It doesn't take much.

Seems you're not familiar with data mining techniques.

Go ahead, donate and tell me how much. Make sure to use your real name.

[Goblinmonger]

11. How much are you kicking in to the RCC

that goes toward these two criminals? Do you support them? Should they still be free?

[rug]

12. We have a third collection every second Sunday specifically to provide safe houses for pedophiles.

You're really scraping the bottom of the intellectual barrel, monger.

[Goblinmonger]

14. Well, if you are going to question trotsky's contributions

I think it then becomes fair game to question yours.

Your church is protecting these two. They are paying for them. Do you support that? Should they still be free? Should they have been given a position specifically in a place where the American justice system can't touch them?

[rug]

15. I didn't post a story about crowdfunding.

I suppose I should not have assumed sincerity in the effort.

To answer your questions, they should be publicly castrated and their testicles hung over the main altar at St. Peter's. Happy?

[trotsky]

19. What the hell, rug?

Chill.

How about we start with those men being kicked out of the Vatican to face secular authorities in their home countries?

Would you be OK with that?

[AtheistCrusader]

22. While you're busy being sarcastic about this shit, read this.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-17/priest-says-tim-minchin-song-hurting-abuse-survivors/7178606

Enjoy what your church has wrought. Continues to do.

[rug]

26. I thoght you'd need the sarcasm tag.

Congratulations!

[AtheistCrusader]

30. I thought you'd need a little more time between hides.

Congratulations!

Any other site features you'd like to discuss?

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Here's the GoFundMe link.

https://www.gofundme.com/sendballarattorome

They've gathered 3x their goal, which I think speaks to the general public's need/desire to make this meeting happen.

Isn't it nice, rug, to know that people care?

[trotsky]

23. I think there are a lot of good Catholics who care.

I just wish more of them would speak up, and not let the horrible assholes dominate the discussion with endless deflection and PR spin for their church.

[cleanhippie]

36. How much do you kick in to the RCC coffers used to protect these mosters?

That's what I thought.

[skepticscott]

16. Hey, read their protocols!

Protocols fix everything, because they're....PROTOCOLS!!

[trotsky]

18. Especially when the protocols haven't actually changed!

"Mystery"!!

[skepticscott]

25. Nope..

MySterY

[Act_of_Reparation]

32. Allegedly, there are 31 replies to this OP.

I see three.

Sounds like someone must be busy.

[trotsky]

33. It's safe to turn off Ignore now.

He's in a better place.

[Iggo]

34. Nah.

I don't need to see a whole string of "I know you are but what are you" posts.

[trotsky]

35. Well there is at least some comfort in knowing there won't be any new ones for a while.