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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:14 PM Feb 2016

The universe isn’t indifferent; we are an opportunity for the universe to care about itself

February 7, 2016
by Peter Mosley

“We’re made of star-stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.” — Carl Sagan

“We are part of this universe. We are in this universe. But perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact — many people feel small, because they’re small and the universe is big, but I feel big. Because my atoms came from those stars [that I see when I look up in the night sky]. There’s a level of connectivity. That’s really what you want in life; you want to feel connected. You want to feel relevant. You want to feel like you’re a participant in the goings-on and events around you. That’s precisely what we are, just by being alive.” – Neil Degrasse Tyson

When I first left Christianity and became an atheist, for a time I thought I had to deal with the grim fact that we are alienated from a thoroughly indifferent universe that doesn’t care what makes us laugh, cry, worry, love, and the rest — a universe that does not care about me at all.

To be sure, this view had its perks. For one, an indifferent universe means I don’t have to worry about some all-powerful mind-reading creepily-judgmental/petty dictator who is obsessed about my every move. We atheists have the freedom to see other people without God’s judgment, to embrace hobbies, to live whatever we consider to be a meaningful life. But WE decide it, not some all-powerful deity. When I left Christianity, I thought that was exhilarating.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/an-atheists-realization-that-we-are-an-opportunity-for-the-universe-to-care-about-itself/#sthash.9ufFNEf1.dpuf

What kind of woo-world-view is this? What kind of atheist believes in a universe that is not only not indifferent but can be made to care?

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The universe isn’t indifferent; we are an opportunity for the universe to care about itself (Original Post) rug Feb 2016 OP
sheer transference! many become atheist because Christianity frowns on occultism, MisterP Feb 2016 #1
We are only here to bring about the machine intelligence which will eclipse and replace us Fumesucker Feb 2016 #2
Yet another self-aggrandizing self-important mammalian grasp at 'meaning'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #3
He's just getting a little sappy with his language. gcomeau Feb 2016 #4

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
1. sheer transference! many become atheist because Christianity frowns on occultism,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:28 AM
Feb 2016

or because they believe "Mankind" or some secular utopia can provide a better vision than mere Deity

a vision of humanity as Earth's gametes, spreading Life Everlasting to those planets that just didn't get it yet, that we're some sort of sentient cortex for the universe

some destiny

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. We are only here to bring about the machine intelligence which will eclipse and replace us
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:11 AM
Feb 2016

They will be unto us as we are to slime mold.

Eventually the entire universe will be made up of managed and tamed stellar cores surrounded by matrioshka brains.

And to think, it will all start here with these pathetic bags of polluted water.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. Yet another self-aggrandizing self-important mammalian grasp at 'meaning'.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

I even disagree with Sagan's original premise, though it seems appropriately poetic.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
4. He's just getting a little sappy with his language.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

He is not referring literally to the universe. He is just saying that technically we're part of the universe and this little part can be made to care so in some measure "the universe" cares.

Personally I wouldn't phrase it that way, but whatever. Sagan liked to get flowery when he spoke.

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