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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:44 PM Jan 2016

Saudi Arabia vs Iran: much more than a religious war

The Saudi-Iran tensions speak to the exhaustion of politics.

Brendan O’Neill
Editor
8 January 2016

To see the difficulty our rolling-news, think-piecing era has with complexity, especially political and historical complexity, look no further than the response to the growing conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

This geopolitical quake, this long-brewing stand-off between the two greatest powers in the Middle East, speaks profoundly to the hollowing-out of the old power structures in that part of the world, and more importantly to an exhaustion of politics as we once knew it. And yet how is it being discussed? As a straight-up religious war. As a hidden history of inter-Islamist conflict magically surfacing in the second decade of the 21st century. It is a failure of historical depth to view the conflict in this narrow way.

Barely had the bodies of the 47 people executed by Saudi Arabia on 2 January been wrapped and buried than people were fretting about the return of ‘an age-old schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims… dating back to the founding of Islam’. That’s because one of the 47 killed by the Sunni-run Saudi regime was Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, a prominent Shia cleric who was popular among the 15 per cent of Saudis who are Shias and in other Shia-dominated countries, most notably Iran. There were furious protests in Iran and around the world. Saudi Arabia and Iran ended diplomatic relations. Iran accuses the Saudis of bombing its embassy in Yemen. This is serious. But it isn’t, as one account has it, ‘a fight that’s been brewing for centuries’.

One question that the ‘return of religious war’ lobby cannot answer is: why now? If this tension really does date back to the beginning of Islam – the 6th century – and really does represent the ‘reopening of old sectarian wounds’ around the question of ‘which form of Islam should dominate the Middle East: Shia or Sunni?’, then why has it exploded in 2016, rather than in, say, the 1800s? Or 1915? Or 1979? To focus only on the religious side to this conflict, which no doubt exists, is to overlook the global and political shifts that triggered the conflict now and which means it can assume a kind-of religious form. What we’re witnessing in the heat between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and across the Middle East more broadly, is less the primacy of religion than the exhaustion of politics – of pretty much every political project of the modern era.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/saudi-arabia-vs-iran-much-more-than-a-religious-war/17786#.VpLeFodGWhw

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Saudi Arabia vs Iran: much more than a religious war (Original Post) rug Jan 2016 OP
hmmmm EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #1
*distracted by the fact that Spiked wrote something that's not ex-Trot foaming* MisterP Jan 2016 #2
Yeah, they do have a 4th International background. rug Jan 2016 #3
well.. EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #4

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
1. hmmmm
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

Some pretty glaring errors in that article, like the complete scrubbing of US involvement in Iran, which kinda defeats the entire point of the article.

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of anything that site posts after reading that whitewash.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. Yeah, they do have a 4th International background.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jan 2016

At least they see the economic forces at work and aren't just pointing fingers at the Quran.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
4. well..
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:06 AM
Jan 2016

to me that's not good enough if you whitewash history... I appreciate the desire for other sources, but Americans need to have more and better info about US foreign policy... they don't need their ignorance reenforced... without discussing these issues openly and accurately they really don't make a hell of a lot of sense.

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