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Related: About this forum"The Islamic Dilemma", and the weird prescription of NYT's Ross Douthat
According to Ross Douthat, a conservative Roman Catholic, Islam is faced with 3 options:
1- that of US conservatives: close shop because Islam is inherently bad
2- that of liberal westerners: water down Islam toward common ground humanism
3- the miracle solution of Ross Douthat: become like Evangelicals, non-violent rigorists
And like Christian fundamentalists, keep an "organic link between the theological and political". (yay!)
It goes without saying path #2 is stupid. I mean, religion evolving? Naaaah.
The Islamic Dilemma
Ross Douthat - DEC. 12, 2015
(..) most Americans do look at Islam and see a problem. It isnt just Trump supporters or Republicans. In a poll the Public Religion Research Institute conducted before the Paris attacks, 56 percent of Americans agreed that the values of Islam are at odds with American values. In a more recent YouGov poll, 58 percent of Americans viewed Islam unfavorably, just 17 percent viewed it favorably.
But what should devout Muslims see when they look at America, or at the wider West?
This is the issue lurking behind a lot of Western anxiety about Islam. On the one hand, Westerners want Islam to adapt and assimilate, to moderate in some sense, to leave behind the lure of conquest, the pull of violent jihad.
(..) And to any Muslim who takes the teachings of his faith seriously, it must seem that many Western ideas about how Islam ought to change just promise its eventual extinction.
This is clearly true of the idea, held by certain prominent atheists and some of my fellow conservatives and Christians, that the heart of Islam is necessarily illiberal that because the faith was born in conquest and theocracy, it simply cant accommodate itself to pluralism without a massive rupture, an apostasy in fact if not in name.
That first idea basically offers a counsel of despair: Muslims simply cannot be at home in the liberal democratic West without becoming something else entirely: atheists, Christians, or at least post-Islamic.
But its also true of the ideas of many secular liberal Westerners, who take a more benign view of Islam mostly because they assume that all religious ideas are arbitrary, that it doesnt matter what Muhammad said or did because tomorrows Muslims can just reinterpret the Prophets life story and read the appropriate liberal values in.
That second idea seems kinder, but it arrives at a similar destination. Instead of a life-changing, obedience-demanding revelation of the Absolute, its modernized Islam would be Unitarianism with prayer rugs and Middle Eastern kitsch one more sigil in the COEXIST bumper sticker, one more office in the multicultural student center, one more client group in the left-wing coalition.(..)
The good news is that there is space between these two ideas. The bad news is that we in the West cant seem to agree on what that space should be, or how Christianity and Judaism, let alone Islam, should fit into it.(..)
In this landscape of options, the clearest model for Islams transition to modernity might lie in American evangelicalism like Islam a missionary faith, like Islam decentralized and intensely scripture-oriented, and like Islam a tradition that often assumes an organic link between the theological and political.(..)
Ross Douthat - DEC. 12, 2015
(..) most Americans do look at Islam and see a problem. It isnt just Trump supporters or Republicans. In a poll the Public Religion Research Institute conducted before the Paris attacks, 56 percent of Americans agreed that the values of Islam are at odds with American values. In a more recent YouGov poll, 58 percent of Americans viewed Islam unfavorably, just 17 percent viewed it favorably.
But what should devout Muslims see when they look at America, or at the wider West?
This is the issue lurking behind a lot of Western anxiety about Islam. On the one hand, Westerners want Islam to adapt and assimilate, to moderate in some sense, to leave behind the lure of conquest, the pull of violent jihad.
(..) And to any Muslim who takes the teachings of his faith seriously, it must seem that many Western ideas about how Islam ought to change just promise its eventual extinction.
This is clearly true of the idea, held by certain prominent atheists and some of my fellow conservatives and Christians, that the heart of Islam is necessarily illiberal that because the faith was born in conquest and theocracy, it simply cant accommodate itself to pluralism without a massive rupture, an apostasy in fact if not in name.
That first idea basically offers a counsel of despair: Muslims simply cannot be at home in the liberal democratic West without becoming something else entirely: atheists, Christians, or at least post-Islamic.
But its also true of the ideas of many secular liberal Westerners, who take a more benign view of Islam mostly because they assume that all religious ideas are arbitrary, that it doesnt matter what Muhammad said or did because tomorrows Muslims can just reinterpret the Prophets life story and read the appropriate liberal values in.
That second idea seems kinder, but it arrives at a similar destination. Instead of a life-changing, obedience-demanding revelation of the Absolute, its modernized Islam would be Unitarianism with prayer rugs and Middle Eastern kitsch one more sigil in the COEXIST bumper sticker, one more office in the multicultural student center, one more client group in the left-wing coalition.(..)
The good news is that there is space between these two ideas. The bad news is that we in the West cant seem to agree on what that space should be, or how Christianity and Judaism, let alone Islam, should fit into it.(..)
In this landscape of options, the clearest model for Islams transition to modernity might lie in American evangelicalism like Islam a missionary faith, like Islam decentralized and intensely scripture-oriented, and like Islam a tradition that often assumes an organic link between the theological and political.(..)
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