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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:58 AM Aug 2015

Indiana teacher marries Jesus Christ in elaborate wedding ceremony, becomes a consecrated virgin

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/indiana-teacher-marries-jesus-christ-catholic-ceremony-article-1.2329845

An Indiana school teacher married Jesus Christ over the weekend, becoming a consecrated virgin in an elaborate white wedding.

Jessica Hayes, a 38-year-old theology teacher, donned a long white dress and lace veil while tying the knot before hundreds of guests at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Fort Wayne Saturday.

Standing at the altar as a bride of Christ, she vowed a life of virginity and was given a ring, as well as a book of daily prayers.

...

"I had to really consider the appropriateness of the occasion for my dress. I wanted my shoulders to be covered, and I would have to lie prostrate before the altar, so I really wanted to make sure that I was well-covered in a way that still shows the beauty of a bride,” Hayes said.
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Indiana teacher marries Jesus Christ in elaborate wedding ceremony, becomes a consecrated virgin (Original Post) trotsky Aug 2015 OP
But... Can he bring home the bacon? DetlefK Aug 2015 #1
Sly Stone said it best: "Different strokes for different folks . . . Journeyman Aug 2015 #2
Joan Jett said it better. :D AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #6
So she's basically HappyinLA Aug 2015 #3
I disagree gladium et scutum Aug 2015 #20
craaaaaaap! wendylaroux Aug 2015 #4
Don't worry! Jesus is apparently a polygamist - go for it! n/t trotsky Aug 2015 #5
well then wendylaroux Aug 2015 #7
bride of Christ, she vowed a life of virginity and.... AlbertCat Aug 2015 #8
I guess she's not harming anyone Cartoonist Aug 2015 #9
Wrong headline. Should be "Jesus leaves bride at altar" BlueStreak Aug 2015 #57
Why would she... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #10
Because becoming a nun necessarily involves certain entanglements that marrying a dead guy doesn't. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #18
Did the county clerk issue her a marriage license? left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #11
Ew. Iggo Aug 2015 #12
There's a very long tradition of Consecrated Vigins. rug Aug 2015 #13
It seems odd to alert the media to it, literally muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #14
If you think it means, "look at me, everyone! I'm not going to have sex!", you're missing the point. rug Aug 2015 #15
I object to the media covering it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #17
Why? The media covers all sorts of people and groups. rug Aug 2015 #19
And because she didn't try to kill anyone, it's not mental illness. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #21
Do you have evidence she's mentally ill? rug Aug 2015 #23
I object to the media covering it too-it compromises coverage of the Kardashians nt HFRN Aug 2015 #28
Long tradition of patriarchy too... MellowDem Aug 2015 #22
Do you see something misogynist in this woman's choice? rug Aug 2015 #24
To serve a misogynistic organization? MellowDem Aug 2015 #33
Her choice. We need to get back to allowing people choice of what they want to do yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #64
She's actively working against choice... MellowDem Aug 2015 #67
Don't you just love deflection in the afternoon? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #25
Do I object to her choice of life? YES. Yorktown Aug 2015 #35
I object to armchair posters anonymously calling identifiable people mentally ill. rug Aug 2015 #37
You're not posting from a chair? Are you an internet yogi? Yorktown Aug 2015 #40
And people worshipping spaghetti? rug Aug 2015 #41
All praise be to the Holy Spaghetti Monster Yorktown Aug 2015 #42
Unlike you, I would not use that sentence as evidence of your mental illness. rug Aug 2015 #43
OK, so a woman marrying an invisible being is healthy? Yorktown Aug 2015 #44
Healthier than worshipping a plate of spaghetti. rug Aug 2015 #45
That's the point: nobody is marrying a plate of spaghettis Yorktown Aug 2015 #46
It's worse. It's being showered with "All praise" by the gullible. rug Aug 2015 #47
Is praising your deity a sign of gullibility in your opinion? Yorktown Aug 2015 #48
Only if I can twirl it around a fork. rug Aug 2015 #49
Can you twirl the Flying Spaghetti Monster with a fork? Yorktown Aug 2015 #51
I'm not an acolyte. Can you? rug Aug 2015 #52
I asked a question Yorktown Aug 2015 #53
Yes, you did. rug Aug 2015 #54
Stop stalking me with your empty posts Yorktown Aug 2015 #55
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you just reply to me? rug Aug 2015 #56
Your bad faith is astounding: YOU started it Yorktown Aug 2015 #58
Do you know what follows zyzzyva in the dictionary? rug Aug 2015 #61
Fascinating Yorktown Aug 2015 #62
what's the difference between "the wafer" and "the pasta"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #65
Lol! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #50
Worshipped a bit myself tonight. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #66
I was OK with this up until Cartoonist Aug 2015 #59
I agree it's nuts. It's a fair opinion and not a diagnosis. rug Aug 2015 #60
Does Jesus get a say in this? Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #16
Well, Jesus was conceived through non-consensual means (aka rape) cleanhippie Aug 2015 #26
Ignorance. rug Aug 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Aug 2015 #39
Maybe Jesus did get a say, when he spoke to her. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #27
I was hoping that Junior would get his PeoViejo Aug 2015 #29
Well, he didn't even come to his own wedding rurallib Aug 2015 #30
I wonder if Jesus will take care of any medical problems that arise? rurallib Aug 2015 #31
I wish her the best and I hope she is happy with her choice. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #32
lol.. oh well EvilAL Aug 2015 #34
Only if she's a Linda Blair fan. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #36
White Wedding is the way to go. Turbineguy Aug 2015 #63

Journeyman

(15,024 posts)
2. Sly Stone said it best: "Different strokes for different folks . . .
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:03 AM
Aug 2015

"And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo."

gladium et scutum

(806 posts)
20. I disagree
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:13 PM
Aug 2015

The nuns that taught my son in elementary schools and middle school were about as dedicated educators as one could hope to fine. No worry about Union contract, summers off etc. The did their job because they felt that it was a calling to serve young people. Yes I am sure there are Attila the nuns out there but I never met one. My child came out of their system better prepared academically than was possible in the local public system.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
9. I guess she's not harming anyone
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:26 AM
Aug 2015

But this woman has serious mental problems. I wouldn't let kids get anywhere near her.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
18. Because becoming a nun necessarily involves certain entanglements that marrying a dead guy doesn't.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:41 PM
Aug 2015

A convent. Mother Superior. Silly clothes. Roomates. Vows. Work. Et cetera.

All you have to do to marry a dead guy is say you're married to the dead guy. He doesn't give a shit what you do, 'cause he's dead.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. There's a very long tradition of Consecrated Vigins.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

That vocation is included in Canon Law;

Can. 604 §1. Similar to these forms of consecrated life is the order of virgins who, expressing the holy resolution of following Christ more closely, are consecrated to God by the diocesan bishop according to the approved liturgical rite, are mystically betrothed to Christ, the Son of God, and are dedicated to the service of the Church.

§2. In order to observe their own resolution more faithfully and to perform by mutual assistance service to the Church in harmony with their proper state, virgins can be associated together.

There's also a United States Association of Consecrated Virgins (USACV).

http://consecratedvirgins.org/

Do you object to her choice of life?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
14. It seems odd to alert the media to it, literally
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:37 PM
Aug 2015

and say "look at me, everyone! I'm not going to have sex!".

Why does virginity need consecration? Millions of people manage to not have sex without it. This woman did for 20 years of adult life.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
15. If you think it means, "look at me, everyone! I'm not going to have sex!", you're missing the point.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

The focus is on consecration, not virginity.

You can read the link I posted or you can read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecrated_virgin

Why don't you answer the question Trotsky hasn't?

Do you object to her choice of life?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
17. I object to the media covering it
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

It places a personal lifestyle decision on a pedestal as somehow special and to be admired. You don't get media coverage for being a vegan, or reminding people about it after 20 years.

"The focus is on consecration" - then why are so few people consecrated? What other choices are you 'consecrated' for? And in what cases does it make any difference at all, apart from anyone who had been thinking about asking her out on a date (I can't even tell if she'd have non-sexual, but exclusive, relationships with other people, after all this.)

Is Wikipedia correct that this only applied to women?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
19. Why? The media covers all sorts of people and groups.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:05 PM
Aug 2015

More to the point, what would or could you do about it?

The short answer to your question, a good one, is yes..

Specifically, the Roman Rite of Consecration to a Life of Virginity is for women only.

But there are rare lay groups like Institute of Saint Gabriel the Archangel in which its members, men only, vow to follow the three evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity and obedience while living a secular life.

http://www.instituteofsaintgabrielthearchangel.org/home.html

None of this is my cup of tea but I don't think scoffing or ridicule is either a tolerant or an intelligent response.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
21. And because she didn't try to kill anyone, it's not mental illness.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aug 2015

Killing in the name of Jesus = mental illness

Marrying (an obviously absent) Jesus is not.

Apparently.



MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
22. Long tradition of patriarchy too...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:30 PM
Aug 2015

I don't object to her choice, I object to the explicitly misogynistic beliefs of Catholicism.

I imagine if the Tea Party had consecrated virgins, I wouldn't be opposed to anyone who decided to become one, the issue would more be in their choice to serve the Tea Party.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
33. To serve a misogynistic organization?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:12 PM
Aug 2015

Yes.

The idea of virginity in general has a lot of misogynistic baggage within the Catholic Church, and among all Abrahamic faiths, and a lot of the foundation for the beliefs are deeply misogynistic, IMHO. You really can't separate out any one ritual from a belief system that is fundamentally misogynistic as being not somehow tied to that fact.

Being a consecrated virgin in an organization that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman, and which is against birth control and women's choice, and doesn't allow women in its top leadership, and etc. etc. patriarchal misogynistic views, is going to be different than being a consecrated virgin in an organization that is a haven for asexuals, for example.

I think many women choose to serve patriarchy and perpetuate misogyny, as is their right, and as is my right to say I think that's not good for society.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
64. Her choice. We need to get back to allowing people choice of what they want to do
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:44 AM
Aug 2015

We all are slowly losing choice in our country. And it has been rapid. Choice does not mean you have to like it but you must respect it.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
67. She's actively working against choice...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 11:39 AM
Aug 2015

By serving the Catholic Church. I'm not the one trying to take away choice, it would be her and her church, and there may be a deep irony and privilege at work that so many religious people believe they are the victims.

She has chosen to serve a misogynistic organization.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
35. Do I object to her choice of life? YES.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015
That vocation is included in Canon Law; Can. 604 §1.

There's also a United States Association of Consecrated Virgins (USACV).

Do you object to her choice of life?


The fact the 'canon law' of the christian sect approves

doesn't mean it's not bad for her mental health.

In fact, in an ideal socialized health world, she should get free visits to a psychotherapist.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
40. You're not posting from a chair? Are you an internet yogi?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:54 PM
Aug 2015

And people 'getting married' to invisible inexisting people do have a mental health issue.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
42. All praise be to the Holy Spaghetti Monster
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Aug 2015

But there is one big difference with this lady marrying an invisible man:

I am not getting married to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
43. Unlike you, I would not use that sentence as evidence of your mental illness.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

I'll leave that to the professionals.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
44. OK, so a woman marrying an invisible being is healthy?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aug 2015

I don't think I need to wait for the advice of a professional to doubt the complete sanity of all your opinions.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
46. That's the point: nobody is marrying a plate of spaghettis
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Aug 2015

Thanks for demonstrating the believers in the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster (peace and pesto sauce be upon Him) are systematically more sane than believers in invisible beings as some in that second category go to the extreme of marrying said invisible being.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
55. Stop stalking me with your empty posts
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:08 PM
Aug 2015

This is a discussion board, not a primary school playground of which you would be the bully.

If you are not interested answering my points or my questions, kindly talk to someone else.

Thank you.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
58. Your bad faith is astounding: YOU started it
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015

I made a point about the OP. YOU answered it with an ad hominem.

It's in the debate arborescence.

If you're not bringing any fact or argument to the table, leave me alone.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
65. what's the difference between "the wafer" and "the pasta"?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:34 AM
Aug 2015

It seems that the only substantial difference is that pasta can be "twirled with a fork". On the other hand the only transformation that pasta goes through is from pasta to shit. The wafer, on the other hand, according to its believers, turns into the body of god as it winds its way though your body. So which belief is nuttier?

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
59. I was OK with this up until
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:38 PM
Aug 2015

the last paragraph in the OP. That's nuts.
I don't need to be a licensed doctor to see that.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
60. I agree it's nuts. It's a fair opinion and not a diagnosis.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:59 PM
Aug 2015

You'll remember the many strange devotions that were popular before Vatican II.

This is one of the strangest that's still around, "The Aroma of Christ".

http://www.seedsofthekingdom.com/devotionals/0070/the-aroma-of-christ.php

I think it's harmless, overly pious treacle but there are bigger fish to fry.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
16. Does Jesus get a say in this?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:24 PM
Aug 2015

Or does any whack-a-doodle get to marry him without even a nod or a wink of assent? Seems downright abusive to me. Poor god, nobody leaves him alone. What if jesus is gay? Anyone consider that?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
26. Well, Jesus was conceived through non-consensual means (aka rape)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:54 PM
Aug 2015

So Jesus' consent isn't even a thought.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
38. Ignorance.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:36 PM
Aug 2015

Look up "fiat".

Then look at what rape really is instead of using it as a ignorant prop to attempt another anti-religious thought.

Response to cleanhippie (Reply #26)

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
27. Maybe Jesus did get a say, when he spoke to her.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:01 PM
Aug 2015

Usually, hearing voices and talking to imaginary people earns one a trip to the ward.

But not when its Jesus!

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
29. I was hoping that Junior would get his
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:13 PM
Aug 2015

trip with the 'Men in White.'

Well. at least she's not boinking some Guru.

rurallib

(62,386 posts)
31. I wonder if Jesus will take care of any medical problems that arise?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:33 PM
Aug 2015

you know, laying on of the hands? Or is that too intimate and she still has to go to the human doctors?

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