Advocates seek Vatican inquiry of Newark, N.J., Archbishop John Myers

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Priests, nuns and canon lawyers who advocate for molestation victims have urged Pope Francis to use the new Vatican tribunal he formed on negligent bishops to investigate the archbishop of Newark, N.J., who has long been accused of sheltering abusive priests.

The plea comes as Francis prepares for his first visit to the U.S. in September, a trip that will take place against the backdrop of the broad unfinished business of the molestation scandal. The crisis erupted in 2002 with the case of one pedophile priest in the Archdiocese of Boston before spreading nationwide, then engulfing the Roman Catholic Church.

The advocates, who call themselves the Catholic Whistleblowers, said they will present evidence to the Vatican that Archbishop John Myers has been persistently hostile toward people who come forward with abuse allegations and had left guilty clerics in parishes in the Newark archdiocese and in his previous post as bishop of Peoria, Ill. Myers has repeatedly defended his record, noting that he has removed many guilty priests, but he has been dogged by revelations about cases bungled on his watch in both states

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/living/religion/article29594776.html#storylink=cpy

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1. Did I read this right?

Priests, nuns and canon lawyers who advocate for molestation victims have urged Pope Francis to use the new Vatican tribunal he formed on negligent bishops to investigate the archbishop of Newark, N.J.

Kudos to them.

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2. Why should they have to beg their church leadership to do the right thing?

WTF is wrong with the Vatican that it can't, after decades of revelations, clean its own house?

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3. I don't see any begging here.

Did you miss this?

the new Vatican tribunal he formed on negligent bishops

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/world/europe/pope-creates-tribunal-for-bishop-negligence-in-child-sexual-abuse-cases.html?_r=0

It's not yet two months old. A PR stunt, right?

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4. The problem is generations old, the 'tirbunal' is two months old. Stunt or no stunt, it's very late

action out of a batch of humans that spend so much time railing against the flaws they see in other people. I mean, this is a horrific thing, child sex abuse. But instead of dealing with it, Francis and his cats run around saying LGBT people are threats to children, calling us Satanic while they actually do what they actually do, and everyone knows they do. Their behavior is depraved and corrupt.

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5. Child abuse is centuries old and global.

The tribunal he created, late or no, is a positive and potentially can be very effective.

Or, you can just attack it on the internet.

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6. But it took the Catholic Church

to really master not only raping children, but the subsequent institutional coverup, attacking and shaming of accusers, and of course, the assisting of known child rapists in getting access to new victims. They've truly shown the world how it's done in ways that no other organization in the history of the world can match. All while touting their superior morality.

Oh, but go ahead..alert on the truth..just like the RCC.

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7. It took the Catholic Church to really master raping children?

You're over the bend, scottie.

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8. As noted

the truth hurts...but feel free to dispute all of it. Your vacation should have given you plenty of time to polish your apologetics.

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9. Now, I'm not one to smention delusions, but if you think that's truth, I'll start.

BTW, you have far more frequent flyer points than I.

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10. Upset already, I see

Can't even type right. But it's ok to be upset that the organization you love more than anything has been enabling and covering up child rape for longer than you've been alive. Though I suspect you're more upset at having to defend them from so much truth.

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11. You're projecting, scottie.

Really, you used to be much better at baiting than that.

In the meantime, I'll just let tis piece of idiocy air out here:

It took the Catholic Church to really master raping children

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12. Poor rug

Just can't get square with the fact that your beloved church has perfected all sorts of ways to lets its priests rape more and more and more children and get away with it. Nobody does it better.

Still can't get your fingers to stop shaking from anger and frustration, can you? Obvious, but sad.

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16. What is sad - and obvious - is your consuming hatred for all things Catholic, incliding its members.

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18. Not at all

I really like those smelly little houses that they wave around. And those pretty windows.

But other than that, pat yourself on the back for discovering that I have a consuming hatred for each and every Catholic on the planet. Only a certain kind of mind could have come to that conclusion.

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19. QED

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21. One of these days, you'll actually present evidence

to back up what you say. Then we'll all be as surprised as we would to see a pope that isn't a homophobic bigot.

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22. The "we" you invoke have not been paying attention.

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23. QED

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15. lettuce snot smention frequent fkyers whille the lusions are ripening.

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17. One of your more coherent posts.

Really, sniping about typos. How old are you again?

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24. I'm still trying to figure out how your problem could be simply a bad u key

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25. I argue that the tribunal is window dressing.

See Bishop Juan de la Cruz / Cardinal O'Malley.

Business as usual. Shame.

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26. The tribunal is two months old. I don't see de la Cruz surviving.

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27. I'll wait and watch. The advisory commission had no audience.

No surprise that I'm not optimistic about the tribunal. But, who knows, maybe the Vatican finally has no choice except to become accountable to the congregants.

Do I believe there is a genuine change of heart within the church? Only to the extent that declining tithes demand.

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28. I'm not optimistic, but between the external pressure and this internal move, I expect to see change

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13. Well the Pope knows who is really guilty of child abuse:

According to Frankie it's teh gays:

Pope Francis: Kids Must Have Moms and Dads

Pope Francis offered his sharpest critique against so-called nontraditional families on Friday morning, suggesting that the church must advocate for the rights of children to be raised "in the complementarity of the masculinity and femininity of a father and a mother."

The pope condemned child labor and child soldiers, and then said that "it is necessary to emphasize the right of children to grow up within a family, with a father and a mother able to create a suitable environment for their development and emotional maturity. Continuing to mature in the relationship, in the complementarity of the masculinity and femininity of a father and a mother, and thus preparing the way for emotional maturity," according to the Vatican Information Service.

Speaking to a delegation from the International Catholic Child Bureau, Pope Francis continued, "Working for human rights presupposes keeping anthropological formation alive, being well-prepared regarding the reality of the human person, and knowing how to respond to the problems and challenges posed by contemporary cultures and mentalities that are spread by the mass media."

Recalling his time as archbishop of Buenos Aires, the pope said, "At times it is necessary to flee; at times it is necessary to stop to protect oneself; and at times one must fight. But always with tenderness."

Back in December, Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta said he discussed adoption of children by same-sex couples with Pope Francis. The bishop said the pope was "shocked" by the idea, and that he was encouraged to preach against the idea during Christmas services.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2014/04/11/pope-francis-kids-must-have-moms-and-dads

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14. Irony

a suitable environment for their development and emotional maturity.

That would leave out Catholic school and organizations where priests are present.