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Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:07 PM

The Dope-Mobile

Vatican Car Has Cocaine and Cannabis

Four kilograms of cocaine and 200g of cannabis were found in a Vatican car with diplomatic plates. The car was issued to 91-year-old Argentinean cardinal Jorge Mejia, emeritus librarian at the Vatican. He had retired back in 2003 and had since been bedridden after a heart attack.



The cardinal's secretary had asked two Italian men to drive the car for its annual maintenance. However, the men drove to Spain, bought the drugs and hoped to elude the police since they were travelling with the diplomatic plates, French media reports.

French officials seized the car on Sunday at a toll in Chambery in the French Alps. The men had no Vatican diplomatic passport and therefore has no form of connection with the Vatican. Through Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican confirmed that the car belongs to the institution, and it had been seized in France containing illegal drugs with it. And, as both men were Italian citizens, not from the Vatican City State, and neither staff at The Vatican. The Holy See is, therefore, free from any liability and any malice arising from the incident. This contradicts other media reports that The Vatican was ashamed about the controversy. There had been no further reports about the identity of the two Italian men implicated in the incident.

Pope Francis is reportedly friends with Mejia. Both are fellow Argentineans. He even visited Mejia in the hospital two days after being elected as the new pope.

"Cardinal Mejia is not well and obviously has nothing to do with this. It's now up to the police to pursue their investigations," Lombardi told The Telegraph.

Pope Francis had always been vocal about his objection of illegal drugs. In June, he referred to drug addiction as "evil" and had called against the legalisation of drugs. He made this remark in the wake of reports that several US states had legalized the use of marijuana and campaign had been on-going for its medical use.

Speaking in a drug enforcement conference in Rome, the Pope underlined that he rejects every type of drug use. He expressed his disappointment about the rampant drug trafficking that grew by the day because of "a deplorable commerce which transcends national borders."


Ruh-roh, Raggy.

I'm not sure what's more deplorable here... that the Vatican, on some level, had been implicated in running drugs over national borders, or that the beloved mate-sipping pontiff "rejects every type of drug use" and is throwing his weight around to obstruct sane drug policies in countries that desperately need it.



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Reply The Dope-Mobile (Original post)
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 OP
cbayer Sep 2014 #1
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #3
cbayer Sep 2014 #4
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #12
cbayer Sep 2014 #13
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #17
cbayer Sep 2014 #21
trotsky Sep 2014 #22
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #25
trotsky Sep 2014 #26
cbayer Sep 2014 #27
trotsky Sep 2014 #30
Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #28
cbayer Sep 2014 #29
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #31
cbayer Sep 2014 #32
trotsky Sep 2014 #33
trotsky Sep 2014 #23
rug Sep 2014 #34
Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #18
TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #2
cbayer Sep 2014 #7
TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #8
cbayer Sep 2014 #11
TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #5
cbayer Sep 2014 #6
Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #10
Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #9
Blue Owl Sep 2014 #14
LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #15
Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #19
rug Sep 2014 #16
okasha Sep 2014 #20
cbayer Sep 2014 #24
Cartoonist Sep 2014 #35
rug Sep 2014 #36
Cartoonist Sep 2014 #37
rug Sep 2014 #38

Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:14 PM

1. Who's Raggy? What is mate-sipping?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:34 PM

3. Here:

"Raggy" ->

Two things to be learned from Scooby Doo: 1) ghosts never did it, and 2) Great Danes have difficulty with the /s/ phoneme.

Mate is the national drink of Argentina. A kind of tea brewed from yerba leaves, it can be quite refreshing. It also contains caffeine. A drug.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:39 PM

4. So, are you comparing the pope to Raggy or just using the phrase from the cartoon?

Ah, I now remember what mate is. It's tea. While I disagree with the pope's stance on the legalization of drugs, I'm not sure that comparing cocaine and heroin to mate really makes your point for you.

At any rate, the subversion of a vatican owned vehicle for the transport of drugs seems to be a non-story in terms of bashing religion.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:36 PM

12. It's just a phrase from the cartoon.

And I'm not bashing religion here. I'm bashing an organization.

And while it may be tempting to view this as an isolated incident, it isn't. Less then a year ago, German officials seized 168 oz. of liquid cocaine transported from South America and addressed to the Vatican post office. Now, two men who work for a Cardinal are caught smuggling hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of drugs across national borders. Does this necessarily implicate anyone high on the Vatican food chain? Not really, but it does present us with (yet another) staffing issue the Vatican is now in the precarious position of having to clean up.

Their inability to self-police being the stuff of legend -- and the source of many concurrent debates on this very forum -- I actually think is a rather interesting development.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:50 PM

13. Well, the common thread seems to be that criminals

think they are more likely to get away with things if they use the church as their cover.

Are you suggesting that the church is too lenient in who they let drive their cars or send them mail? Perhaps drug testing is in order.

If these stories were about priests trafficking in illegal drugs, there might be a comparison. But this is about criminals using the church to traffic in drugs. Quite another story.

But draw whatever conclusions best suit your narrative, AOR.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:50 PM

17. "But draw whatever conclusions best suit your narrative, AOR."

Is there a particular reason you can't limit yourself to the discussion at hand without making absurd allusions as to the motivations of complete strangers, or is this obnoxious tactic a point of pride with you? I only ask because you keep saying you want civil discussion here, and every time I give you the benefit of the doubt you pull the same odious stunt.

You know what they say about people in glass houses, right?


Are you suggesting that the church is too lenient in who they let drive their cars or send them mail? Perhaps drug testing is in order.

If these stories were about priests trafficking in illegal drugs, there might be a comparison. But this is about criminals using the church to traffic in drugs. Quite another story.


Nonsense.

A representative of the One True Church is a representative of the One True Church, regardless of their pay grade. If the Church is going to continue to arrogantly assert its moral superiority over all other faiths, or lack thereof, then I think it a reasonable expectation that they act like it.

And if they don't, then they're fair game. You know what they say about people in glass houses, right?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:31 AM

21. Such outrage! Perhaps if you do not want anyone to

remark on your possible motivation for posting this kind of thing you shouldn't post this kind of thing.

Feel free to not respond to me. You make this much, much more personal than I.

Your expectation that everyone who is employed by the church, no matter how low their station, is an equivalent representative of the church is ridiculous. Like I said, perhaps they all should be drug tested. Would that suit you?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:54 AM

22. Wow. Just wow. n/t

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Response to cbayer (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:48 AM

25. So ad hominems are a compulsion with you, then?

You are literally incapable of not making them? It is absurd of me to expect that we argue the facts at hand instead of speculating as to each others' motivations or character?

Well, I guess that settles it.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:53 AM

26. When she feels someone deserves it, because she has determined your motivations... yes.

But no one else is allowed to do that.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:54 AM

27. He delivers a protest against ad hominems with ad hominems.

I guess that settles that.

BTW, talking about a person's possible motivations for taking a specific position is not an ad hominem.

Saying someone has compulsions and is literally incapable of resisting them is an ad hominem.

All I have done here is disagree with you and speculate on your motivations for taking a particular position. No ad hominem attack as been made whatsoever…. by me, anyway.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:05 AM

30. No, you're completely innocent.

As always.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:13 PM

28. you shouldn't post this kind of thing.

Don't you have some puppy videos or something to post here? Or maybe some of those cute fainting goats?

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:07 AM

29. I recognize that this is some kind of snark, but I really don't get what it means.

Did you want to make a comment directly to me?

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:41 AM

31. I should probably post something about Dawkins

Probably one of his more cantankerous opinions, preferably on a topic he really doesn't know anything about. Because that's what is relevant to the thoroughly pleasant and non-hypocritical denizens of this welcoming and intellectually diverse forum.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:09 PM

32. Or you could just go talk about those you disagree with behind their backs.

Pure class. It's just that kind of thing that makes this a welcoming and intellectually diverse forum.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:21 PM

33. You mean kinda like you do with okasha?

Stay classy, cbayer.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:57 AM

23. The double standard is astounding, really.

Richard Dawkins posts a stupid tweet, therefore "the atheist movement" has a sexism problem and WTF they better address it now!

These drug-runners get caught and it's "ZOMFG, how can you possibly think this is a religious problem?!?"

Yeah, don't even try to figure that one out.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:52 PM

34. Let me see, one tweets that rape victims shouldn't get drunk if they want to be believed.

 

The other is a bed-ridden 91 year old man whose staff used his car.

There, I figured it out for you.

No charge.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:44 PM

18. Scooby snack?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:31 PM

2. Well don't forget about this pedophile ring caught inside the Vatican this past summer!

 

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:53 PM

7. OMG!!! It's churchmilitanttv!!!



You've been punked.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:55 PM

8. Do you think??? the first link is the article that was covered in the NYT and Tampa Bay Times.

 

You roll over a laugh when minors are being sold and abused????

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:58 PM

11. Did you take the time to read the article?

Seriously, read the article from the friendlyatheist.

You've been punked x 2.

No, I do not laugh at minors being sold and abused. I laugh at those who will grab on to complete rubbish in order to score some kind of point against religion.

You grabbed something without even looking at it in order to do that. That is rather amusing.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:43 PM

5. This should be getting a LOT more attention here...

 

If you really want change....go after the true rot. In government and religion. After all, that is the two factions the world's money is divided into.

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:48 PM

6. Yes indeed!! We need to go after those who hijack vehicles from any source

in order to traffic in illegal products.

I am with you 100% and sincerely hope that none of your vehicles are ever intercepted for this purpose.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:57 PM

10. So you believe this bullshit story too?

 


The cardinal's secretary had asked two Italian men to drive the car for its annual maintenance. However, the men drove to Spain, bought the drugs and hoped to elude the police since they were travelling with the diplomatic plates, French media reports.


Um, uh, that is almost certainly bullshit.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:56 PM

9. Shouldn't we be getting a lecture right about now about how this has nothing to do

 

with religion?

Oh wait, never mind. On edit I see we are getting us a lecturation.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:50 PM

14. Next time I see white smoke pouring out the Phatican chimney...

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:05 PM

15. ... I will inhale deeply.

Is this like one those old Love Is ... cartoony thingies?

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:49 PM

19. I have memories

Of Jeff Spicolli and Anthony Edwards falling out of the VW bus


No shirts, no shoes, no dice dude!

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:29 PM

16. Boy, he really fits the profile of an international drug smuggler.

 

91-year-old Argentinean cardinal Jorge Mejia, emeritus librarian at the Vatican.


Never trust librarians.

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Response to rug (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:23 PM

20. A bedridden emeritus librarian.

Oh, yeah. He makes the Zetas and Templarios tremble in their Guccis.

Between the OP's attempt to imply a drug smuggling ring operated under the auspices of an Evil Cardinal and another poster's gullible offering of satire as news, I hereby nominate them for the Silliest Thread of the Year Award.

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Response to rug (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:16 AM

24. But those that drive cars are just as representative of the catholic church

as is the pope!

And don't even get me started on those that send them mail.

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Response to rug (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:50 PM

35. Nice try

The cardinal's secretary had asked two Italian men to drive the car for its annual maintenance.
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No one is implicating Mejia. Let the investigation continue.
Every drug runner in prison claims innocence. Some excuses are better than others. Some people have their alibis accepted solely because of their position. It looks like you are doing more than giving the Vatican the benefit of the doubt and are actually saying, move along, nothing to see here.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:01 PM

36. You just contradicted yourself.

 

No one is implicating Mejia.


It looks like you are doing more than giving the Vatican the benefit of the doubt


Try harder.

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Response to rug (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:35 PM

37. No contradiction

Two true statements. Your statements on the other hand . . .

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:57 PM

38. Oh, I see. It's not about Mejia but it is about the Vatican.

 

I wish I too were able to make sweeping statements untethered by fact.

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