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Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:14 AM

 

Family, not religion, will influence our attitude to assisted dying

One of the difficulties for the opponents of assisted dying is that they are thought of as religious fanatics. So tactically it isn’t a good move for 23 religious leaders to release a letter denouncing Lord Falconer’s bill. It will confirm to the bill’s supporters that opposition to it comes only from religious people and that they, in turn, are motivated by the teachings of their scriptures.

This last point is a bit rich when it comes from people who will, in other circumstances, argue that scripture is full of exhortations to genocide (and the Old Testament has plenty in its accounts of the conquest of what is now occupied Palestine). There is even a biblical precedent for assisted dying, when Abimelech, a remarkably unsavoury king of Israel who came to power by executing 70 half-brothers, found himself in a bad way after a woman in a town he was besieging dropped a millstone on his head and “broke his brainpan”, as the Geneva Bible says. He called for his armour bearer to kill him so that it might not be said a woman had done so, and the obedient young man did.

I don’t doubt you could make a less lurid Christian case for assisting the death of some patients. Polls show that a large majority of Christians and Jews favour assisted dying under some circumstances. And there is always Lord Carey. So the appeal to official teaching doesn’t do much to persuade waverers.

What is more important in this context is that it does little to persuade believers either. Detailed polling by professor Linda Woodhead shows that hardly anyone makes up their minds on moral questions by reference to the views of local or national religious leaders. For Anglicans, the figure is 2%; even among Muslims, fewer than 14% say they take any notice of what religious leaders tell them when deciding moral questions. What matters overwhelmingly are individual judgment, feeling and the influence of family.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2014/jul/18/family-religion-assisted-dying

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Reply Family, not religion, will influence our attitude to assisted dying (Original post)
SecularMotion Jul 2014 OP
hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1
AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #2
skepticscott Jul 2014 #3
rug Jul 2014 #4
AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #5
rug Jul 2014 #6
AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #7

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:46 AM

1. Personally I believe the terminally ill should be allowed to end their life in dignity legally.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:28 AM

2. Oh, religion influences. And will continue to do so while entities like the RCC have

millions to spend lobbying against physician assisted suicide.

It's not enough to forbid believers, members of their faith from having access to these options. They have to make sure you and I don't have access either. And when they lose, and the law gets passed, they just buy up all the hospitals and 'stop offering' the service.

In the greater Seattle area, there is a single remaining non-Catholic owned hospital. One.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:41 PM

3. Yes, but if you advocate eliminating Catholic control

 

of hospitals, you're promoting genocide. According to at least one frequent and vocal poster here, anyway.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 05:30 PM

4. And why aren't there more?

 

Are any of the Catholic hospitals for-profit?

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:07 PM

5. There were.

And yes, some of them are.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/12/03/washington-state-catholic-hospital-mergers-take-aim-at-abortion-rights.html

"Also on the chopping block at many newly-merged Catholic and non-Catholic hospitals are services like tubal ligations, a surgical birth control method often performed after C-section, and physician-assisted suicide, which Washington legalized under its Death with Dignity Act in 2008—one of only two states to do so, along with Oregon. Activists also worry that LGBT patients and their families, like Holland and her partner, will be denied visiting rights and equal treatment at newly Catholic-controlled hospitals."

This church is a fucking right wing plague upon society.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:00 PM

6. Where does it say they're for-profit hospitals?

 

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Response to rug (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 19, 2014, 01:44 AM

7. They are merged, joint operational projects.

Some of them are not, surely, but a few are. I'm not going to go find you a source, I live here. I know. Swedish, Children's, Fred Hutch, and U-Dub physicians are non-profit. Harborview is not.

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