Miley Cyrus angers Christians for embracing science

[cleanhippie]

Hollywood Scoop reports that actress and pop singer Miley Cyrus has infuriated her fans and Christians everywhere. Known as a Christian, she tweeted a quote from theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss:

You are all stardust. You couldn't be here if stars hadn't exploded, because the elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, all the things that matter for evolution) weren't created at the beginning of time. They were created in stars. So forget Jesus. Stars died so you can live."

Angry Christians who believe that God created the earth sent hateful tweets back, to which she responded, ""How can people take the love out of science and bring hate into religion so easily?" "It makes me sad to think the world is this way. Like Einstein says, 'Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.'"

http://www.goddiscussion.com/93645/pop-singer-actress-miley-cyrus-angers-christians-for-embracing-science/

[humblebum]

1. Now there is one of the towering figures of worldly wisdom!

(Sarcasm)

[cleanhippie]

3. Envy is a deadly sin. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

8. But she is 100% correct here, science backs her up completely

Miley Cyrus is not the same person she was when she played Hannah Montana, watch the video I posted below and you will see she is starting to take on serious issues now. I am not a fan of hers by any means, but she does seem to be a person who wants to evolve into someone who uses her voice to spread truth and I respect that.

[cleanhippie]

9. Hey Bjorn, prepare to be accused of being "narrow minded" for not using "other ways of knowing".

Common sense and rational, factual statements like yours will not be received well at all.

Also, you may be called "militant", and then diverted to some nonsense about "militant atheists" in the Soviet Union, and other bizarre non-sequiturs. If you choose to engage, strap in and hang on, its a wild ride.

[humblebum]

11. "science backs her up completely" - I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

Science can explain many things concerning the physical existence. But it does not have the capability to determine the existence of a deity.

[cleanhippie]

12. Agreed. Neither science or religion is capable of that.

Although science IS capable of providing what the most-likely answer is. Religion? All supposition and no substance.


But what does any of that have to do with the OP?

[humblebum]

14. You are entitled to your opinion, but I do not share it. nt

[cleanhippie]

16. I didn't expect you to.

I know how you eschew trivialities like reason, facts, logic, and evidence, so I never thought for a second that you would agree.

[humblebum]

18. The difference between my utilization of

"reason, facts, logic, and evidence" and yours is that mine is much broader and encompassing. It is not so narrow as to be restricted to the confines of Logical Empiricism.

[cleanhippie]

20. Bwahahahaha!

[humblebum]

22. Yes, your ability to engage in healthy philosophic debate is well known.

Yawn ZZZZZZZZ.

[cleanhippie]

25. Thanks for the recognition.

Now that you know what it is, perhaps you should follow suit.

[humblebum]

50. So I lied. nt

[cleanhippie]

62. Wow, admitting you are a liar. I'm impressed.

How do you square that with your religious beliefs?

[humblebum]

63. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

Must be I've been dealing with you for too long.

[cleanhippie]

67. Yeah, its me, not you. You just keep telling yourself that.

Yeah, I am the one that causes you to lie. Oh yes, humblebum, its all my fault. You just keep repeating that to yourself, and everything will be ok.






Thanks brother, you really just made my day.

[humblebum]

70. Hippie, after all imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

You should be thrilled.

[cleanhippie]

75. Do you think someone is imitating you?

Guess what? They aren't.

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59. "the confines of Logical Empiricism"

Just out of curiosity, would you prefer your medical doctor, lawyer, or accountant to be "confined to Logical Empiricism," or is it OK if they just "believe" in stuff in order to cure your illnesses, defend you in court, or manage your finances?

[humblebum]

61. And, who said they were confined to those limitations. some are, some aren't, but speaking

strictly and generally about religion vs. atheism, the analogy holds.

[Bjorn Against]

13. She is not talking about the existence of a deity

Read her tweet again, it supports the big bang theory not any deity.

[humblebum]

15. Some of us consider Jesus deity. nt

[Bjorn Against]

23. But her statement was not about proving the existence of Jesus

[humblebum]

48. Who said she did? Two words: "forget Jesus." nt

[Bjorn Against]

52. So? When you talk about science you should forget Jesus because speaking on Jesus is not science.

[humblebum]

53. Yeh. OK.

[2ndAmForComputers]

45. And some don't. By the way, Lawrence Krauss is Jewish.

[humblebum]

49. And that fact has relevance how? nt

[humblebum]

17. And saying that stars died so we can live implies that stars are alive

or at least were alive.

[Bjorn Against]

21. All stars eventually die, but that in no way implies they were alive in a biological sense

[humblebum]

24. So, something that is already dead can die? Amazing.

[Bjorn Against]

27. The word "die" means far more than you think it does, it does not just relate to biology

I sure don't know many people who would use the word "dead" to describe the sun.

[cleanhippie]

28. Oh. My. God. Did you REALLY just post that? REALLY?

[Goblinmonger]

35. I realize you are being deliberately obtuse

but in case you aren't, I recommend you read METAPHORS WE LIVE BY, Lakoff and Johnson. Though, if you aren't being deliberately obtuse, the reading level is going to be way beyond you.

[2ndAmForComputers]

46. I'm almost sorry for him.

Almost.

[humblebum]

51. Do ya think?

[cleanhippie]

68. So you are being deliberately obtuse? Are you admitting that?

Wow, humblebum, in another post, you admit you were lying, and now it seems you admit you are being deliberately obtuse. Why would you do these things?

[humblebum]

69. Imagine me, acting like the hippie. I really have been spending too much

time around you.

[cleanhippie]

74. Nah, if you were to spend some actual time around me...

your posts would be much more coherent and reality based. I'm happy to give you some of my time if you wish, I'm charitable like that, because it's the right thing to do to try and help out those that need it.

[piratefish08]

55. do you even read the words that you type? or do you not understand hypocrisy?

[humblebum]

57. Oh? So you are saying that something that is dead can die. Now I got it.

It's funny how atheists constantly harass believers about the use of metaphor and hyperbole in Scripture, and yet scream when their own use is questioned.

[Goblinmonger]

26. Are you incapable of using metaphor?

Have you never said that your car died?

Jesus. The lengths some people will go to.

[ZombieHorde]

66. When someone tells me their car died, I get very angry at them for spreading lies.

A seemingly nice looking family may say, "Do you have any jumper cables? Our car died."

Me, "Fuck you liars! And fuck your children too!"

[Angry Dragon]

29. What does have the capability to determine

the existence of a deity??

Unless one knows everything about a deity then one can not know how that deity can be proved......

[thesquanderer]

30. Her comment does not deny the existence of a deity either. (nt)

[skepticscott]

73. Oh? What do you base that

Narrow-minded characterization of science and dieties on? Any alleged "god" that has an objective physical existence (if there even is such a one) and that can influence, and be influenced by, events in the physical world, is amenable to having their existence examined and verified by rational, scientific inquiry. Apologists here and elsewhere keep trying to define their god to avoid that, but they, like you, make the narrow and limiting assumption that no "diety" anywhere in the universe could ever be discovered or demonstrated this way.

Try again.

[2ndAmForComputers]

44. Lawrence Krauss? Yep!

[Bjorn Against]

2. I was pretty surprised to find out Miley Cyrus is with us, but she is starting to speak out

This is the video that made me gain a lot of respect for Miley Cyrus:

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[cleanhippie]

5. +1. It is always refreshing to see reason win over ignorance.

The world is slowly coming around. Did you read that it is estimated that England will be a majority non-believer nation by 2030?

[LARED]

40. Humm, a 1% making a video supporting OWS.

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1. Smart marketing?

2. A non participating supporter of OWS

3. Clueless and just does whatever the handlers tell her to do.

4. Secretly lives in a 1 bedroom efficiency aprtment, takes the subway, and donate all her wealth to charity.

[Bjorn Against]

47. There are a number of people in the 1% who support Occupy

Not everyone who is rich automatically believes that the massive inequalities in America are justified. There are some people in the 1% who would be willing to pay more taxes to help ensure everyone is taken care of in our society.

[tridim]

4. It must be the salvia.

Or the Cannabis (as I suspect it actually was).

[cleanhippie]

6. Maybe, there are positive side-effects, you know.

Opening one's mind to reason and empathy is something more of us could use.

[tama]

71. +1 nt

[LARED]

7. The most interesting part

(for me at least) is that Miley Cyrus might know who Albert Einstein is.

[cleanhippie]

10. Some celebrities are much smarter and informed than we give them credit for.

[LARED]

41. That's true,

but she still believes in God so she can't be all that smart.

[JBoy]

31. I'm beginning to think she's beaten the odds

usually stacked against child stars, and has become a pretty sound and intelligent adult.

[Kalidurga]

32. I hope that she doesn't get scared of the negative Nellies out there.

It is hard to be a young person or even an older person and get criticism from people that you thought were on your side. I doubt she saw her comments as controversial. I hope this doesn't dampen her enthusiasm for learning and being outspoken.

[Jamaal510]

33. I wish people would quit arguing over religion and science.

I think this debate is pointless, as none of us were alive billions of years ago to know for sure how the universe came into existence. For all we know, either side could be correct.

[cleanhippie]

34. Actually, for all we know, one side is more likely to be true.

One side of the argument has endless lines of converging evidence, the other has a book cobbled together by desert dwellers that had no idea about the universe.

Either side could be correct? Hardly.

But you are right, I too wish the argument between religion and science would stop. And it will, as soon as religion stops trying to interfere with scientific progress.

[tama]

72. Most certainly

both sides are wrong. Both biblical literalism and naive scientism/materialism.

Myth and poetry speak of matters that logical propositions cannot express and even most valid scientific propositions are 'conventional' truths that keep changing as the process goes on.

[cleanhippie]

76. Nonsense.

I really wish I could appreciate your posts, tama, I really do, but they just seem so full of philosophical bullshit and nonsense.

[Goblinmonger]

37. You are giving both sides of the argument equal chance of being right?

You do realize the vast amount of evidence that the science side has garnered, right? It's pretty heavily weighted on that side. I mean, sure, the religion side has the bible and the theology that come from it, but...really, you think it's a 50/50 wash?

[piratefish08]

56. sure. one argument based on theories, experimentation and proof. the other based on the campfire

stories of bronze-age goat herders.......



either could be right!!

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60. I wasn't alive during the Civil War or WWII

For all I know, they might have never happened.

[cbayer]

36. In related news - Miley Cyrus went car shopping WITHOUT A BRA (video link included)

Just weeks after dropping $127K on a Mercedes convertible, Miley Cyrus hit the streets looking for yet another sexy set of wheels ... ALL WITHOUT WEARING A BRA -- and TMZ has the bouncy video evidence.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/09/miley-cyrus-braless-car-shopping-video/#.T1uXFszhMz0

[Goblinmonger]

38. What does that have to do with anything?

I really don't know. It comes across as an ad hom argument against Miley.

[cleanhippie]

39. Non-sequitur. Or did you have a point that no one else would see?

[2ndAmForComputers]

42. You're clearly implying the OP is as relevant as your post.

It's not.

[2ndAmForComputers]

43. Oooops! Looks like Billy Ray failed at making her a RW halfwit like himself.

Ain't that a shame?

[Odin2005]

54. You go, Miley!!!

[humblebum]

58. Young, ignorant, and all about her.

[Humanist_Activist]

64. Stop projecting, its pretty obvious. n/t

[2ndAmForComputers]

65. I, too, think the Lawrence Krauss quote is beautiful.

Does that make me ignorant?