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Tue May 20, 2014, 06:07 PM

Jewish extremists vandalize Jerusalem church

Vandals sprayed anti-Christian graffiti on a Jerusalem church on Friday, despite Israeli police stepping up security around religious sites ahead of a visit by Pope Francis later this month.

"Price tag… King David for the Jews… Jesus is garbage" was spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of St George’s, a Romanian Orthodox church near an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood.

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The Roman Catholic church has demanded Israeli action after Hebrew graffiti reading "Death to Arabs and Christians and to everyone who hates Israel" was daubed on its Notre Dame complex in Jerusalem on Monday.

"The bishops are very concerned about the lack of security and lack of responsiveness from the political sector, and fear an escalation of violence," the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem said.


Read more: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=696136

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Reply Jewish extremists vandalize Jerusalem church (Original post)
Lordquinton May 2014 OP
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #1
hrmjustin May 2014 #2
okasha May 2014 #3
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #5
okasha May 2014 #7
trotsky May 2014 #10
Warren Stupidity May 2014 #11
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #12
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #4
hrmjustin May 2014 #6
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #8
hrmjustin May 2014 #9
rug May 2014 #13
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #14
rug May 2014 #16
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #19
rug May 2014 #21
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #23
cbayer May 2014 #15
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #17
cbayer May 2014 #18
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #20
cbayer May 2014 #22
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #24
trotsky May 2014 #25
pinto May 2014 #26

Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:53 PM

1. How in the hell is this news?

Oh no. Some graffiti.


Whoopietiedo.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #1)

Tue May 20, 2014, 08:18 PM

2. It is news.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #2)

Tue May 20, 2014, 09:40 PM

3. Can't be.

Christians can only be perpetrators of hate crimes, never victims.

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Response to okasha (Reply #3)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:00 PM

5. Never said either. Thanks for your baseless speculation thought.

I'll file that under 'shit that doesn't apply'.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #5)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:05 PM

7. Never said you did.

Plenty of others have, though.

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Response to okasha (Reply #7)

Wed May 21, 2014, 05:43 AM

10. Name them.

That's an inflammatory and ridiculous charge. Call-outs aren't against the rules anymore, so fucking name them okasha, and link to the post where such a statement was made. Or stop with your coy yet vicious and false attacks, like claiming that atheists here would just "go back to" hating LGBTers or minorities if they didn't "hate" religious believers.

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Response to okasha (Reply #7)

Wed May 21, 2014, 06:42 AM

11. We'll be eagerly awaiting your evidence for that assertion.

 

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Response to okasha (Reply #7)

Wed May 21, 2014, 08:43 AM

12. Then maybe you put your response in the wrong place, addressing a 'no' that was

in response to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #2)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:00 PM

4. And making it news far and wide does what?

Nothing. Except give the perpetrators a voice, far and wide.

This was local market news only, unless you want to encourage the perps.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #4)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:02 PM

6. This was done because the pope is coming. The vatican is scared because of security concerns.

 

It is news.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #6)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:12 PM

8. You know how you can't observe a subatomic particle, like a quark, and simultaneously know

it's position and momentum, or how observation influences the outcome of quantum double-slit wave particle duality experiments?
This sort of coverage influences the actions of the perpetrators. Not different from the way mass shooting coverage can influence and perpetrate copycats.

I personally believe this level of coverage is both voyeuristic, and may contribute to the problem. And it may not be 'extremists', it may be a couple, or even an individual punk kid that is not even a security concern.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #8)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:16 PM

9. Your point is taken but in this day and age news flows fast and something like this will be covered.

 

I hope it forses the pope to use the popemobile instead of the open car he pland to use.

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Response to rug (Reply #13)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:02 AM

14. I certainly don't think that should be national news either.

Again, it would encourage copycats.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #14)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:10 AM

16. IIRC, the FFRF put out a press release about this.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #16)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:16 AM

19. I don't see it, but I do see this one.

http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/20501-vandalism-of-religious-display-cowardly

Calling out people who destroyed a Christian display.
FFRF's press releases are rarely national/international news either.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #19)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:21 AM

21. I don't think it's for lack of trying.

 

The FFRF co-president gave statements to the media.

"The vandalism) reveals how non-believers are still stigmatized, even in a community like Portland, where statistics show that a quarter of the population identifies as non-religious," Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which sponsored the billboard, told Oregon Live on Wednesday, Nov. 21.

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Response to rug (Reply #21)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:23 AM

23. FFrF is an agenda-driven org.

Honestly, I think there is a potential profit motive if they get more incidents/more coverage.

If your goal is to end these attacks, this is not the way to go about it. You contact law enforcement, and you keep it to a local news market, if it is worth reporting at all.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #1)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:07 AM

15. Really? Let me ask you this.

If someone goes to the headquarters of a local college based secular society and sprays paints it with slogans that denigrate atheists, would you think that might be news?

Things like "Death to Atheists" and "Atheists are garbage" and there are genuine concerns by local authorities that the members of the group might be in danger and that the incident might be due to the upcoming visit of a well known speaker on atheism, would that be news?

You bet your ass that would be news. This knee jerk response that just blows this off reminds me of the kind of bigotry that we have seen in many previous civil rights movements or situations where persecution has been been denied.

Its really unbecoming.



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Response to cbayer (Reply #15)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:11 AM

17. That didn't happen.

The 'death to arabs' thing was someplace else. 'written on a house in the Old City'. When? Connection to the church? None? Well, nothing in the story anyway. Same for the apartment.

The apartment and the house thing would probably be hate crimes in the US, but I wouldn't expect national coverage.


The 'atheists are garbage' thing definitely NOT national/international news.

And there's that 'b' word again. Can we seriously have a conversation without someone slinging it at someone else?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #17)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:15 AM

18. Can we seriously have a conversation without there being some gross prejudice shown towards

believers?

Your response was nonsense, imo. And you didn't answer my questions.

If this incident or ones similar to the ones described in this article were to have happened to an atheist group, even a small local one, would you have responded in this way? Be honest.

I would guess you would have been outraged, and rightfully so.

When one finds that they would respond completely differently to two similar incidents based solely on who it happened to, there is a very good possibility that there is some kind of prejudicial filter in place.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #18)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:18 AM

20. YES I WOULD HAVE RESPONDED THE SAME.

As I just said to Rug, upthread, when he cited a similar incident that is role-reversed.


I really super appreciate the 'gross prejudice' accusations. That's really going to help the conversation along.
Can you be bothered to read the whole thread before making up shit?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #20)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:22 AM

22. When you resort to screaming at me, I have generally found that I have touched a nerve.

See ya later.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #22)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:24 AM

24. I get sick and tired you demanding that I repeat myself.

"The 'atheists are garbage' thing definitely NOT national/international news."

See that line? HOW THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU TRANSLATE THAT besides an answer to your question?
Don't want me agitated? Quit playing games.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #22)

Wed May 21, 2014, 11:54 AM

25. Flinging rude, false accusations does indeed touch a nerve in most people, cbayer.

Congratulations.

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Response to Lordquinton (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 11:58 AM

26. "Extremist" is the key here, imo. Extremism in any sphere is a problem.

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