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Tue Jul 4, 2017, 02:55 PM

Peter Sagan disqualified after clash that may have ended Mark Cavendishs Tour

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The world champion, Peter Sagan, was thrown out of the Tour de France for a dangerous move in the sprint finish at the end of stage four that left Mark Cavendish’s future in the race hanging by a thread after a horrendous crash 200 metres from the finish line.

Cavendish sustained a heavy cut to his hand and was taken to hospital for x-rays to investigate possible injuries to the shoulder he damaged in a similar pile-up at the end of the first stage of the Tour in Harrogate in July 2014. In a chaotic finale, the yellow jersey holder, Geraint Thomas, also fell – but to no ill effect.

Cavendish’s sporting director at Dimension Data, Roger Hammond, described the move that led to Sagan’s expulsion as “a flick of the elbow which was completely outrageous”. He added: “No one comes out of it well. This is a sad, sad day for the sport, Sagan is a hero and an idol of mine but a precedent has to be set.”

Sagan was initially relegated to 115th place on the stage – last place in the lead bunch – and received the standard sanction of a 30-second time penalty but the president of the jury, Philippe Marien, said the referees applied a sterner sanction because the world champion “had put several other riders involved in the crash in danger”.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/04/mark-cavendish-crash-tour-de-france-stage-four
It does look pretty reckless. Video at link.

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Reply Peter Sagan disqualified after clash that may have ended Mark Cavendishs Tour (Original post)
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 OP
Iggo Jul 2017 #1
djg21 Jul 2017 #2
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #3
djg21 Jul 2017 #4
TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #5
The River Jul 2017 #6
Duppers Jul 2017 #7
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #8
Duppers Jul 2017 #9
Duppers Jul 2017 #10
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #11
jberryhill Jul 2017 #12
Duppers Jul 2017 #13

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 03:21 PM

1. Dick move.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 05:19 PM

2. Its not that clear.

It seems to depend on camera angle.
Take a look at this video:

https://streamable.com/j7gqb

Cavendish was engaging in risky riding when he tried to squeeze between Sagan and the barrier. Before Sagan’s elbow even moved, Cavendish‘s head was on Sagan’s hip. Then he lost his balance and his right foot starts to come out of the pedal as he begins to crash. Then Sagan’s elbow moves.

In a sprint situation like this, the rider protects his bike with his body and arms. Watch any Sagan sprint and you will see his arms out wide when he’s moving through traffic. Sagan’s elbow movement wouldn’t be unexpected with Cavendish leaning into him like that. But it does look bad from the aerial view.

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Response to djg21 (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 06:05 PM

3. What's clear from that head-on shot is that Sagan was moving to his right

and that leaves nowhere for Cavendish to be (and there was no one on Sagan's left forcing him to move to the right). It looks like Sagan's shoulder hits Cavendish's head first. I don't think Cavendish's line was risky at all - assuming Sagan kept his line rather than squeezing Cavendish.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 06:08 PM

4. Interesting commentary

http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/commentary/jury-wrong-sagans-dsq_442744

It looks like Cav’s brifter could have hooked Sagan’s elbow. Who knows? Bicycle racing IS a contact sport.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 08:15 PM

5. Cavendish out of le Tour- broke shoulder.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 10:12 PM

6. Cavendish Took a Big Risk

trying to squeeze through along the barricade like that.
Raw deal for PS.

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Response to The River (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 11:25 PM

7. Agreed.

Raw deal.

Mark shouldn't have taken that risk. Wonder if he'll be back next yr given all he's dealing with.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 04:23 AM

8. How much room do you think you need to give a cyclist in front before you try to pass?

4 bike widths? 5? How much are they allowed to swerve?

The complete ban may be a harsh penalty, but I think it's clear that Sagan swerved into Cavendish, causing the crash.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 06:05 AM

9. I need to find a link to review the tapes.

I just saw one view from the front and it play twice from above. PS is a big guy and you'll notice his usual style is riding with his elbows moving out a lot. I'll find some clips and replay this a few more time. Bike widths? Don't know. Different for different riders, I suppose.

I love Mark (how can you not?) and have always pulled for him. He truly has my sympathy now.





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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:07 AM

10. Interesting clip.





I've now listened to many pundits who also agree, including Bob Roll's and Lance Armstrong's takes. (LA admittedly was never a sprinter.) Both of them are also quite critical with how the race is organized in respect to enough protection for the racers - making sprinters crowd too much was one of a few things mentioned.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:29 AM

11. That clip starts very late - the overhead view in reply #2 gives you more

By 0:02, Sagan is on the midline of the road, Demare is on his right - almost but not quite drawn level with him, and Cavendish is following Demare - not quite as far to the right, with his wheel perhaps 30cm to the right of the centre line.

By 0:04 (just after they've reappeared from under a tree), Demare has got just ahead of Sagan, and Cavendish is following directly behind him, less than a bike length behind. All three have moved further to the right, as have others in front of Sagan.

By 0:05 (reappearing after another tree), Demare's rear wheel is now fully clear of Sagan's front, Cavendish's front wheel is roughly level with Sagan's rear, and Sagan has a clear space in front of him - he can go straight ahead. Cavendish doesn't have any more room available to his right, but he does have enough to go straight on behind Demare.

By 0:06, Sagan is still moving right. Cavendish's front wheel is level with Sagan's frame, and all he could do to avoid Sagan is to brake violently. Demare has started moving to the left. Then the next tree obscures them, under which first contact happens.

I think it looks like Sagan seeing there's now a gap to the right of Demare, and moving towards it while ignoring the rider to his right - and bracing himself for the impact he's going to cause. He probably hadn't thought about whether Cavendish had any room to avoid him, but he was expecting contact due to his move.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 09:52 AM

12. The head butt is Cavendish's signature move

 


Cav has made a career out of muscling his way through gaps which are not there.

Lest we forget his silver winning move in the Men's Omnium in 2016:



I was hoping he would get into it with Bouhanni, since he would have gotten more than an elbow.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:54 PM

13. Wonder why Muriel has not replied to you?

Hmmm. I'm interested what MV would think about the clip and your remark.


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