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The Niner-Harbaugh story is far bigger than the hyped St. Tebow story. (Original Post) trumad Dec 2011 OP
No kidding. trotsky Dec 2011 #1
I think the Niners have a littles ways to go... trumad Dec 2011 #2
Vic Fangio, Defensive Coordinator, Auggie Dec 2011 #3
But you see the core coming together. trumad Dec 2011 #5
Alex looks like Aaron Rodger's twin brother. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #14
Got to give them credit PRETZEL Dec 2011 #4
There is no way he should have played last night. trumad Dec 2011 #6
Not much in confidence in Charlie Batch, I'd say Auggie Dec 2011 #7
I think Batch would have given them a better chance than Ben. madinmaryland Dec 2011 #9
"and his motion looked only marginally better than Tebow's." PRETZEL Dec 2011 #10
I think a couple of things played into that PRETZEL Dec 2011 #8
Agreed...with his limited mobility, he could have aggravated the injury much worse. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #15
One more factoid about the game last night Auggie Dec 2011 #11
The Niners defense has been improving for several years now. WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #12
And I'd like to thank the Niners for last night's game... joeybee12 Dec 2011 #13
If they get the number one seed they can't lose in the first round. MrSlayer Dec 2011 #16
They probably will!!!! joeybee12 Dec 2011 #19
Between the 2009 bye and this year's bye, the Broncos went 7-24 fishwax Dec 2011 #17
Bu the Broncs turnaround... trumad Dec 2011 #18
lol -- San Francisco's wins come against teams with a combined record of 62-78 fishwax Dec 2011 #20
To be fair...the whole league sucks this season. trumad Dec 2011 #21
hah! there's some truth to that fishwax Dec 2011 #22

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. No kidding.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:17 AM
Dec 2011

For a 1st class douche, the guy knows how to make a football team work. ALEX freaking SMITH for crying out loud.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
2. I think the Niners have a littles ways to go...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:25 AM
Dec 2011

and were certainly helped by a crippled Ben last night...

But---college coach hops on and is as good as any NFL coach out there.

Auggie

(31,164 posts)
3. Vic Fangio, Defensive Coordinator,
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:31 AM
Dec 2011

deserves a lot of credit. Harbaugh hired good lieutenants and benefitted from some decent draft picks, many prior to his arrival, who are just now maturing. I think Harbaugh has coached Alex Smith well, mentally as well as physically.

But Smith and particularly the O-Line are the 49ers Achilles' Heel. The front line isn't deep -- one injury and a defense can easily rattle Smith. It's a good assessment trumad -- they have a ways to go.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
5. But you see the core coming together.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:34 AM
Dec 2011

That was the problem with Sparano.

There is a core in mho, but he simply couldn't connect the dots. Miami has some really good players...they just needed a coach who could coach them.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
4. Got to give them credit
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:34 AM
Dec 2011

they're playing good ball. Smith isn't killing them and their defense is playing well.

Ben playing hurt didn't help.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
6. There is no way he should have played last night.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:35 AM
Dec 2011

I don't know what they were thinking in letting him play.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
9. I think Batch would have given them a better chance than Ben.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:53 AM
Dec 2011

He could barely move in the pocket and his motion looked only marginally better than Tebow's.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
8. I think a couple of things played into that
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:51 AM
Dec 2011

I heard that Tomlin got the ok from the medical staff that he could go. That was part of it and from what Tomlin said after the game, it was his leadership on the field that was part of also.

Another thing, we got a gift from Baltimore Sunday nite. A win last nite and we have the Rams and Browns left on the schedule. Both games are very winnable with Charlie Batch at qb and we would be the number 1 seed with a buy week and home field advantage. Baltimore has, I believe, the Browns and Bengals to finish off the season. Cincy is still fighting for a playoff spot which could work to our advantage since Baltimore wouldn't be able to rest anyone.

Ben's going to need a couple of weeks to heal. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
15. Agreed...with his limited mobility, he could have aggravated the injury much worse.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 05:49 PM
Dec 2011

I'd have at least tried Batch to see how he performed. If he had played well, Ben could have used the time to heal without the risk of sustaining another injury or making the one he does have worse.

Auggie

(31,164 posts)
11. One more factoid about the game last night
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 12:34 PM
Dec 2011

From the San Francisco Chronicle, Dec. 20, 2011:

Left tackle Joe Staley said the 49ers were ready for a Pittsburgh's zone-blitzing schemes after a round-the-clock week of preparation.

"Guys did a great job of preparing all week," Staley said. "We knew it was problem area; we really identified it. A lot of guys spent a lot of extra time watching tons of film this week. We felt like we knew exactly what they were going to do before they tried to blitz."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/19/SP141MEH6K.DTL

WTF -- you mean it's as simple as that?

Memo to the 49ers: Watch more film.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
13. And I'd like to thank the Niners for last night's game...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:23 PM
Dec 2011

The Pats now control their destiny for the #1 seed...of course, they'll lose in the first round, though. Mark it down. Fact.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
16. If they get the number one seed they can't lose in the first round.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 03:16 AM
Dec 2011

Because they'll get a bye.

Than can lose in their first game though.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
17. Between the 2009 bye and this year's bye, the Broncos went 7-24
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:34 AM
Dec 2011

Since the bye, they've gone 7-2.

There's no doubt that the 49ers are a better team than the Tebow-led Broncos--but that's to be expected, since they were a (much) better team last year, too. They finished 6-5 after starting 0-5, and had it not been for the disastrous start of the year they would have won the NFC West. They had a defense that was middling last year but had been very good the year before, whereas Denver has finished in the bottom 3 in points allowed two of the last three years, and last season was dead last. They haven't had a top 10 defense since 2006 or a top 15 offense since 2005.

The Broncos have been thoroughly inept. No team in the NFL had a worse record between November 2009 and Tebow's start against Miami. Not the Detroit Lions, not the Carolina Panthers, not the Buffalo Bills, not the Cleveland Browns. Not even the St. Louis Rams. Since the bye they're 7-2, in the driver's seat for a division championship (and in a good spot for a wildcard slot if they don't get that), and up until last week had the top rushing offense in the league.

So the Broncos turnaround is pretty significant. It's just that it's not the result of Tebow being a superior quarterback.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
20. lol -- San Francisco's wins come against teams with a combined record of 62-78
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 02:34 PM
Dec 2011

so they haven't exactly been playing murderer's row. Their 11 wins include wins against five teams at or above .500, while the Broncos have beaten four.

Of course, the 49ers have fared better against good teams. To their credit, they've gone 3-2 against teams in playoff position, with that marquee win against Pittsburgh as well as wins over Detroit and Cincinnati. (They lost to Dallas and Baltimore.) The Broncos haven't fared as well, beating the Jets (and the Bengals, but that was back before the bye) but losing badly to New England and being completely destroyed by Detroit.

But, then, it's no surprise that the Broncos haven't fared as well against good teams, since they aren't as good a team as the 49ers.

If somebody offered you 10-1 odds that the 49ers, after their 6-5 finish last year and after bringing in Harbaugh, would be 11-3 and on top of the NFC West (which, last year, was won by the 7-9 Seahawks, after all), would you have taken that bet? I would have.

If somebody offered you 10-1 odds that the Broncos, after starting 1-4 and then turning the reins over to a QB whose attempts to throw a forward pass resemble "a moose fucking a washing machine" would go on a 7-2 run, be in the driver's seat for the AFC West Division title, and failing that with an inside track for a wild card spot, would you have taken that bet?

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
22. hah! there's some truth to that
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:29 PM
Dec 2011

As evidenced by the fact that we can even have this conversation, since the Broncos are in playoff contention

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