The things one learns on DU ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

unpaid internships are a form of slavery!

[janlyn]

1. I was just reading that thread.

That comment was over the top!! Trying to explain that to some is a bit like,

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. I wouldn't call it over the top ...

as much as a sad attempt to expand the victim-class.

That commenter acts like unpaid interns can't just walk away ... a key "slavery" determinant.

[janlyn]

5. What do you think causes someone,

to want to expand the victim class in the first place? My first thought was guilt by association. What I mean by that is, that people who are white try to lessen how african americans were treated in order to feel less guilt.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. I think it goes a bit deeper than that ...

it's an attempt to continue to have everything about them; that way they don't even have to consider what happened to Black folks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. unless they are educating the interns..

By law it is.....there are lots of regs on what constitutes internship. I know I helped create 2 internships...for most...unpaid is really illegal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. In all honesty ...

there is a great deal of abuse in regards to "internship programs", most of which is the thinly veiled attempt at securing unpaid labor. But still, that in no way approximates, slavery!

The no I think about that comment; the more upset I get!

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. okay its small s slavery vs big S slavery

The Holocaust isnt the only holocaust that ever occurred. By calling what happened to the Native Americans a halocaust by definition doesnt diminish THE Holocaust

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. I agree with the latter point; but ...

will not even entertain that idea that unpaid internships are slavery (big s or small s) ... internships are entered into voluntarily and can be exited at will ... slavery, lacks the first; but more importantly, the second component.

[AuntPatsy]

13. I believe the 2 do not even come close to comparison , I can see where using that term

regarding an internship cause another's anger to expand after the initial shock of reading such wears off...

Surely your jesting at least I would hope you are...

Your second line of thought is nothing more than a distraction tactic...

[Warpy]

7. Well, it can be argued that it's slave labor

although the experience listed on a resume is what Fortune 500 companies consider to be ample payment for services rendered.

When interns can be beaten, maimed, and sold away from their spouses and children into other cities with no hope of release, ever, then I'll consider interns to be slaves.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. I agree ...

with the latter point.

[MADem]

8. It's exploitative. It's not slavery.

Slavery doesn't offer any choice in the matter.

They're illegal now, those unpaid internships--unless you go overseas. The kids in college now have to get paid for their internships if they do them in MA (but they can go to S. America and be exploited with no penalty).

I'm not surprised. The things we "learn" here are sometimes ... funny. Not in a "Ha ha" way, either.

[1StrongBlackMan]

11. Agreed. eom.

[Generic Other]

14. Isn't it more like a Medieval Apprenticeship?

Apprentice -- usually a male teenager who went to live with a master and his family; his parents paid to have him taken on. He probably occupied the attic of their 3 story home:

The shop where he would learn his trade was located on the ground floor.
The second story was the masters' living area.
The third story housed the journeyman who was there to learn also.

The apprentice was subject to the master. During his apprenticeship he was not allowed to marry. This learning period might vary from 2-7 years depending on the craft. His training included the rudiments of the trade. The apprentice then progressed to journeyman.

Journeyman or day worker -- entitled to earn a salary.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gbetcher/373/guilds.htm

It's training, not slavery.

[jaysunb]

15. Internships = slavery ?

I'm sure I'm reading this wrong.....

[1StrongBlackMan]

16. Nope ...

You read that right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5503721

And about of page of argumentation.

[Kali]

26. that one called a woman who talked about her personal abuse a liar

told her she was playing victim. it was disgusting and I will never forget it. and now this. ugh

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. Sadly, that's not uncommon ...

as acknowledging it happens to another means, one has to acknowledge that it COULD happen to you.

[gollygee]

17. I just got home and saw that.

I don't understand reading a thread about the actual enslavement of people, and thinking, "Oh, I think I'll turn this into a thread about college students not getting paid when they intern for big money post-college employment."

[Number23]

24. Heh..

I don't understand reading a thread about the actual enslavement of people, and thinking, "Oh, I think I'll turn this into a thread about college students not getting paid when they intern for big money post-college employment."

That's probably because you're not an imbecile.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I'm not surprised

That one has a history with active members of HOF too!

Oh yeah - and if you're harassed it's because . . .

[freshwest]

32. Some are legends in their own minds...

[JustAnotherGen]

33. You've noticed that too?

THAT one has a history. Not on my ignore list - but I just can't relate at all. Entirely different world views . . .

[freshwest]

34. Certain ones live in a fact and logic free world. And a Libertarian one, in every way that counts.

Some of Jamaal's threads, showing them with all their charming little quirks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024811141

Note the doctrinaire reply at the end. Which really is saying, 'Who, Moi?'

Another when the crowd dropped in:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110213724

Gotta go now.

[sheshe2]

19. I just read your conversation and

cannot believe my eyes, 1SBM. I had to read through it twice, to see if I misunderstood the person you were responding to. I didn't misunderstand a thing. That was just

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. And come to find out ...

I just didn't want to have a "Liberal discussion"!

is right.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

21. I would love to know how many other people feel like she does here.

It seems like she maybe not alone.

I keep thinking that maybe she is basing her beliefs about slavery on Gone with the Wind or something.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Or, Uncle Tom's Cabin ...

or some other romanticized, sanitized version of the "ugly stain" ... perhaps, A Birth of a Nation.

But, really ... I think it's more, she/he is trying to expand the victimhood of slavery to include white folks, so as to not have to deal with it as we all know it to be.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

28. You may be right.

Thinking about it, you probably are.

[Number23]

23. And the person is actually DIGGING DOWN. As in going out of their way to not hear any of the

half dozen people telling her that her analogy is idiotic.

I just got a post hidden in this forum -- the fucking AA forum which is supposed to be a haven from this type of stupidity -- for calling a poster's conversation (not them, their points of discussion) idiotic and ignorant as they went on with the "poor Southern whites didn't have privilege and have it better than slaves" BULLSHIT.

God, I am so so sick of the stupidity. It is UNENDING and makes me want to scream. THIS shit RIGHT HERE is why racism is never, ever, EVER going to die! Our children, our grandchildren will still be dealing with this mess. It is never going to stop.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. I didn't see the hide; but it really should tell the admins something ...

when Black folks get a post hidden in the AA group for arguing against that kind of crap ... when a significant segment of the total site recognize (at least vocalize) opposition to that point ... even the SCOTUS recognized the fallacy: See Dred Scott, http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=3&psid=293

But then, again ...

[gollygee]

29. That was a bullshit hide

this idea that calling out racism (and related idiocy and ignorance) is the worst possible insult - worse even than actual racism - is sad and Orwellian and icky and scary all at the same time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Well ...

the tone was set, from on high, awhile back ... How dare anyone, especially a PoC, suggest that a liberal could possibly be racist ... even when pointing out the racist sh!t?

[freshwest]

31. Sorry you got a hide, the denial is deep with some. You already know about my Ignore list...

I don't believe in taking abuse from anyone online and don't think this is stupidity. It's trolling, silencing the truth and stopping those who want to have honest discussion. Sorry to butt in.

[sheshe2]

35. Yes..

I have also learned that there is a willful ignorance of facts. When an African American speaks here about their history we get...aaah no you are wrong. Slavery wasn't so bad. Some were treated well. Holy

Yes another goody!

unpaid internships are a form of slavery!

For the love of the goddess, and all that is holy a few here need to have counseling. I read that and was

You are not alone....they hate women too. They hate us with a passion, yet you win. You are hated more. All this from our Democratic Underground.