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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:01 PM Apr 2014

I found a quote online today ...

Revolutionaries are rarely as dissatisfied with the system as they are with their position within the system.


It was on a completely different topic; but I find it, particularly and directly related to one of my other observations:

People of Color (and women) have interests beyond those of white males. While our interests intersect at the income inequity issue, they diverge after that.

As I have said before: our helping you accomplish your ends, still leaves us wanting. And history gives us plenty of reason to believe that once we help you accomplish your ends, you will jettison us ... as the status quo, with respect to race/gender/sexual orientation relationships, hasn't changed ... we just have a different white guy to deal with.
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I found a quote online today ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 OP
I found an article on Salon today that touches on this same issue: Maedhros Apr 2014 #1
I don't know your demographic grouping ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #2
I'm Irish/German. Maedhros Apr 2014 #4
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #6
You're welcome, and I understand. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2014 #7
Great post ! jaysunb Apr 2014 #8
If you are saying.. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #3
No ... well, yes; but no ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #5
Well I say that we do it together, 1SBM! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #9
Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #10
OMG! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #11
One day ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #12
I can't wait for that story~ sheshe2 Apr 2014 #13
Hey ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #14
Well~ sheshe2 Apr 2014 #15
+1000 heaven05 Apr 2014 #16
Interesting stuff, for sure. randys1 May 2014 #17
Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #18
so true: "once we help you accomplish your ends, you will jettison us" post after post here bettyellen May 2014 #19
"Trickle-down Equality" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #20
it's the kinder gentler way to frame the "me first" crap our "allies" peddle here.... bettyellen May 2014 #21
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
1. I found an article on Salon today that touches on this same issue:
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:54 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/08/its_not_about_you_white_liberals_why_attacks_on_radical_people_of_color_are_so_misguided/

In 1892, Anna Julia Cooper described the relationship of the North to the South during the Civil War and its aftermath as that of a big brother to a petulant and sullen little sister. She wrote:

Until 1860 she (the South) had as her pet an institution which it was death by law to say anything about, except that it was divinely instituted, inaugurated by Noah, sanctioned by Abraham, approved by Paul, and just ideally perfect in every way. And when, to preserve the autonomy of the family arrangements, in ’61, ’62, and ’63, it became necessary for the big brother to administer a little wholesome correction and set the obstreperous Miss vigorously down in her seat again, she assumed such an air of injured innocence, and melted away so lugubriously, the big brother has done nothing since but try to sweeten and pacify and laugh her back into a companionable frame of mind.


For more than a century, the fate of African-Americans has been the pawn in a dysfunctional national family drama played out by whites on the liberal left and whites on the right.

Yes, whites on the liberal left helped elect Barack Obama. And black and brown folk have now endured six years of a straight-up, all out, go-for-broke temper tantrum on the right. Seeing themselves as the paragons of reason, liberal white folks have largely stood idly by reasoning with their brethren and sistren on the right to play nice, even though it is so clear that the right is not interested in a clean game.


Your post last week regarding the experience with your daughter's friend and her questions about racism brought out some of these calls for "reason" from white posters, as manifested in the rejection of the notion that "racism" and "bigotry" represent different cultural phenomena. On that score, this article resonated: racism is a political football being kicked back and forth by white liberals and white conservatives, and ideas that violate the accepted paradigm are denounced. We like to fight about racism, but do we like to fight against racism (rather than just racist individuals)?

The various social media and activist campaigns taken up by radical people of color on the left are not about censoring white folks’ speech. They are not about calling white liberals racist. They are about forcing an acknowledgment that racism is painful, harmful and unacceptable. These campaigns force white folks to actually listen to people of color. Yes, sometimes those people of color sound like petulant toddlers demanding to be heard. But to put it like Whitney Houston might, “we believe the children are the future.” Or to get biblical with it, “out of the mouths of babes.”

More to the point, the demand to be reasonable is a disingenuous demand. Black folks have been reasoning with white people forever. Racism is unreasonable, and that means reason has limited currency in the fight against it. Black folks understand, just like white folks do, that reason should be wielded as a tactic, not adhered to as a rule.


I'm not familiar with Brittney Cooper's larger body of work, but I thought she had some good things to say in this article.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. I don't know your demographic grouping ...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

But despite our disagreement on a number of issues ... You seem to get exactly what I have been trying to point out.

I welcome our alliance, as it makes DU stronger and broader in relevance.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
4. I'm Irish/German.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:51 PM
Apr 2014

You've been posting some thought-provoking stuff, which is somewhat rare on the Internet these days.

Meaningful discussion is always welcome. Cheers!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. Thank you ...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:02 PM
Apr 2014

But I must admit that I am in violation of a personal policy/(8 time) New Year's Resolution ... to NEVER discuss racism/racial stuff with white folks ... as very little good ever comes of it.

But you give me hope. Thanks.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
8. Great post !
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:07 PM
Apr 2014

Plain and simple words that are impossible to nuance.

Thank you for posting and the writer for laying it out.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
3. If you are saying..
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:46 PM
Apr 2014

that people of Color and women diverge after the income inequality issue, to an extent you are right.

The trial of People of Color is far greater than any in our history. That history will forever haunt us. That is a fact. Yet women too are treated as second class citizens. We also have been beaten into submission and yes it continues as does yours. A fight for women is for all women no matter their skin color. I believe that we will fight this together.

I don't want to believe that in the end any one group would abandon another after one succeeds. I don't believe the fight will ever really end, not for any of us. Yet together we are stronger and together we can change.

I don't want to believe that you would be jettisoned once it is a fait accompli. Together we are better and stronger. That is what this President has been trying to tell us. We need to do this together.

I know I bungled what I was trying to say....yet I feel that if one person or one group of people are shamed, humiliated or treated with bigotry and hate, then we all are.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. No ... well, yes; but no ...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:59 PM
Apr 2014

I meant the interests of that people of Color and women diverge from white males after the income inequality issue.

But, I will admit that unless we (people of Color and women) work together to fight racism AND misogyny/patriarchy, simultaneously; rather than, attempting to fight them sequential, with one being placed before the other (as the Class folks have asked), we will face similar schisms and in-fighting.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
9. Well I say that we do it together, 1SBM!
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:10 PM
Apr 2014

It is the only way we will step forward. And we can never ever let our guard down, we need to take each others backs. I am in, all in.

Thanks!

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
11. OMG!
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:41 PM
Apr 2014

My landlord has two lawn jockeys....

I haven't knocked them over, yet my car has these on the back window!!!!!

Obama Biden 2008

Obama Biden 2012

Obamacare Signed Sealed and Delivering~

Together!

Thanks 1SBM




 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. One day ...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:52 PM
Apr 2014

I'll share my "Lawn Jockey" story ... it involved a Lawn Jockey, a fraternity house, a near riot (and 6 consecutive weekends in the Butler county jail).

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Hey ...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:24 AM
Apr 2014

I was a college student and was able to convince the judge that my act of vandalism, should not deprive me of higher education.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. +1000
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
Apr 2014

still here and growing in knowledge and trying to teach that knowledge. Thank you for your knowledge.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
17. Interesting stuff, for sure.
Tue May 6, 2014, 02:04 PM
May 2014

I dont know how politically correct this is to say, but I look forward to the day when everybody is Brown to one degree or another as people ignore color barriers and continue to create a new society of all people...

Does that make sense?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. so true: "once we help you accomplish your ends, you will jettison us" post after post here
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:56 PM
May 2014

Last edited Fri May 9, 2014, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)

confirms this. They really belive we should accept "trickle down" equality. No.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. "Trickle-down Equality" ...
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:50 PM
May 2014

that made me laugh; but sadly, it is accurate.

Reminds me if a Teddy Pendergrass Concert I attended many years ago ... Teddy launched into Do Me, much to the delight of the females in the audience.

One woman is the front(ish) row yelled, "Do me, Teddy ... Do me!" Teddy responded, "No, you do me, thennnn I'll do you."

And that reminds me of the old "68" joke, where you do me and I'll owe you one.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. it's the kinder gentler way to frame the "me first" crap our "allies" peddle here....
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:52 PM
May 2014

and you are welcome to steal it. Glad to give you a laugh, SBM!

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