I was asked to remove my sigline

[rbrnmw]

the part about the banner "murdered by police" I left it up, fuck sitting down. I don't condone killing cops but I won't pretend they haven't been killing black folks for as long as there had been police. This started with paddy rollers during slavery

[BronxBoy]

1. Who asked you to do this? n/t

[rbrnmw]

3. can't start drama but it was another poster

[Warpy]

4. Someone offended by something that is essentially a fact?

Sucks to be him.

I suppose he thought that with cops being attacked in more than one city, it was inflammatory. He's wrong, of course.

He might have a point if you found a photo of some hippie in 1968 with an "OFF THE PIGS" sign, but you have more class than that.

[rbrnmw]

5. me removing it won't make it less true

[Warpy]

6. Nope. Looks like it will need an updating soon

to add more names and faces.

Some days I just want to get off this planet.

[rbrnmw]

9. so sadly true

[zappaman]

2. Should stay. n/t

[bravenak]

7. What a joke

[rbrnmw]

8. I think being reminded it happened

make people uneasy.

[bravenak]

10. It doesn't bother them until we keep bringing it up

[rbrnmw]

12. right and even then it just makes them uncomfortable

[bravenak]

13. It sure does

[sheshe2]

22. Well, it is time to...

[2naSalit]

26. Absolutely!! nt

[bravenak]

30. It is

[sheshe2]

32. Love you.

[father founding]

86. throw the bums out

The only way is to retire ALL the politicians and replace them with politicians who only want to serve the USA.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

125. oh! That's GOOD!

Yeah there is a lot of skullfucking going on in amurka.

Uh, let me rephrase that... The people who have been fucking skulls hither and yon are the people YELLING BACK at FACTS now.


The trouble is, there's a demographic of people who seriously don't want their fantasy America to change.

That's the people who seriously cling to their central, primal fantasy of the "official" Republican/Conservative party, with a proud resolve to protect that white-hot television sized image. It burns in the place between the brows, that some call the Third Eye.

They salute and grovel to the Party Networks that claim to fight for those sentimental engrams that run hot in deep gorges of neuronal tissues.

They're the people we see way too frequently. The skullfuckers.

[TNNurse]

95. It should make us uneasy and we need to pay attention.

Not being African American, I have never posted in this group before. We have got to be better than this.

[raven mad]

123. I'm not offended.

I'm disgusted you'd be asked to remove it.

[MrScorpio]

11. Leave it up.

It's the truth!

[sheshe2]

14. Hell No!

Leave it and add to it.

[JRLeft]

15. A lot of policeman are racists.

[Squinch]

16. I am very offended by the person who was offended by your sigline.

How ignorant.

[sheshe2]

73. Yes.

How could anyone be offended by this?

[lostnfound]

105. We should all be greatly offended & outraged that it happens

And that the perpetrators get off scot-free.

[msanthrope]

17. Fuck 'em. nt

[sheshe2]

59. Well said! nt

[Feeling the Bern]

18. Fuck the world police. Keep it up!

[63splitwindow]

19. Nothing wrong with your sig nor avatar.

Just don't allow yourself to become a one issue person. There are other issues of great importance that need your support also.

[rbrnmw]

20. Our children not being killed is my main issue

[bravenak]

50. Omg

[Hekate]

21. Leave it up. So much grief.

[irisblue]

23. leave it....geez whatta thing to whinge over

[Recursion]

24. Leave it

What bullshit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. LEAVE IT UP.

[SheriffBob]

31. oh hell yes

It's the truth.

[brewens]

27. Facts are never inappropriate. Anyone with a problem, needs to work to stop it from being true. n/t

[Ken Burch]

28. No one had any business demanding that you remove that sigline.

Truth should never be censored.

And your sigline had nothing to do with what happened in Dallas. That was due to some major issues with one man's head having a lethal chemical reaction with the racism in this society.

[2naSalit]

29. Keep it, please.

I find it most appropriate given the current events and long term continuing tragedies.

Sorry someone accosted you with their objection to the facts of life in Murika.

[LiberalFighter]

33. Why would the truth bother someone?

Ignoring the facts doesn't make it go away.

[yuiyoshida]

34. right on...

don't be bullied by anyone.

[heresAthingdotcom]

35. Persuade with argument rather than brute force....

for the sake of full disclosure, I'm white.... and I think that cops have entirely too much UNACCOUNTABLE power.... a cop can shoot someone and claim they felt their lives were in danger and never be convicted.... never be held accountable....

me in my car and a cop... the cop shoots the only other witness and guess who doesn't go to jail....

should I be shot because I tell a cop to kiss my a$$...? slapped up side the head maybe but shot dead....?

if a cop is a cop who shoots first and lies later then that cop shouldn't be a cop....

and I was banned once from democratic underground.. my old login still isn't usable.... i pi$$ed someone off with a reply.... this was about 5 years ago.....

so don't get banned... your voice is better as an active voice... just find a way to persuade that isn't considered abusive and you can do so...

so do cops murder people? based on my observation YES.... and I'm guessing the cops who do so simply shouldn't be cops.... but if a cop does shoot someone without cause that cop should be held accountable...

so the failure is when the person is hired as a cop.... it's a tough job, pay that isn't the best..... and you can be killed in an instant if you make a mistake....

it's a tough job but that doesn't mean that cops have to shoot first and ask questions later...

[gwheezie]

36. Never do what you're told

Do what is right.
I've honestly never been mesmerized by someone else's Sig line. Sometimes I'm curious but it's a short statement for some people that helps me understand where they're coming from.
It's bad enough being stalked for a post

[Aristus]

37. K&R.

Telling truth to power is indispensible in the modern world...

[sheshe2]

38. I posted this....

Hope you are not mad at me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027999800

[rbrnmw]

42. thank you I am not mad

[sheshe2]

47. I want this post seen.

No one should disrespect those that died.

I love ya too.

[hrmjustin]

39. Leave it.

[one_voice]

40. I don't understand why anyone would ask you to remove that..

Leave it. There's nothing offensive or against TOS. It's very appropriate.

[stevenleser]

41. Tell them "and the horse you rode in on". nt

[pnwmom]

43. Interesting little factoid: the terms "paddy roller" and "paddy wagon"

had its origins in England where the stereotype was that the police wagons were full of no-account Irish. (paddy being a nickname for Irish -- from the name Patrick.)

[rbrnmw]

44. I never knew that

[PatrickforO]

46. Yeah, when it comes to being oppressed we Irish have been there, for centuries,

done that and have the scars to prove it. In the American colonies there were plenty of Irish slaves as well as AA ones. Only the Irish slaves were called 'indentured servants' and their term of slavery was 7 years. Unfortunately, the AAs did not have that.

This country still needs to heal from slavery, and we haven't yet.

[pnwmom]

49. The term was permanent if you died while in "service." Or it extended much longer

than 7 years if you had a baby while you were in service, because that child then belonged to the "master."

Also, most of those people never signed any contracts. They were simply swept off the streets in Ireland or England and shipped off to the colonies.

[63splitwindow]

58. In terms of oppression...

Women have Irish beat by thousands of years. If Christian Fundamentalists are correct with their creation myth then the second person created was the first person oppressed.

[pnwmom]

60. This isn't a contest. I was just pointing out the origin of the word. nt

[63splitwindow]

62. I wasn'r responding to you but the same person you responded to. Chill. nt

[Hoppy]

79. Actually, the first AA's imported in the colonies (Virginia, to be exact) were treated as indentured

This changed by 1639 when Africans were listed in law as servants for life. There is no record of when the change was formalized.

Irish criminals were sent to the West Indies as slaves. The poor in England, Ireland and so forth were sent to northern colonies as indentures.

[PatrickforO]

45. I wouldn't remove it either.

[csziggy]

48. The only legitimate complaint is if the image were too big

For someone with a slow connection. Unfortunately it is not big enough to clearly show the victims.

For anyone who objects, they can get an ad blocker and use it to block the image.

Keep your signature images!

[Shrike47]

77. There was an alert, too, so I don't think size was the problem.

[csziggy]

102. I never thought it was - someone is too sensitive

Whether the image hits too close to home because it is true or whether they don't believe that when police kill it is murder, someone doesn't want to look at the issue.

It should stay.

[BlueCaliDem]

51. Truth is truth, even when it's ugly truth. You should NOT take it down.

I support you keeping your sigline just the way it is.

[MohRokTah]

52. K&R FOR TRUTH! eom

[JustinL]

53. Fuck that noise! I'd leave it up.

We already have plenty of posters chastising the protesters for being too disruptive. Now this shit?

What the fuck are people supposed to do? Sit quietly at home and wish real hard until the powers that be decide it's finally time to make the 14th Amendment a reality?

[rbrnmw]

54. that is what they want silence

[Loki]

55. You know my answer.

No way do you take it down.

[Ilsa]

56. Keep it up.

Everyone should see it.

[Bobbie Jo]

57. Keep it.

Consider the source.

[HipChick]

61. Keep IT up..

I'm tired of trying to explain racism to folks..

[giftedgirl77]

63. Leave it, fuck them.

[volstork]

64. Keep this picture up

If there are those who are unable to look at what is true, maybe they would be happier elsewhere

[Ford_Prefect]

65. Keep on telling the truth rbrnmw! It is the truth we must hear that they cannot abide.

[sheshe2]

66. Kick!

[Zippyzagnut]

67. K&R

If it bothers them, they need to ask themselves why.

[Amimnoch]

68. Well I should thank them for asking you to do that.

It's ticked me off enough to add it to my own sig line.



When this "civilized" nation gets its head out of its ass, and starts treating ALL citizens equally with dignity and respect, then there won't be a need for such signatures.

[sheshe2]

87. You Rock!

[Maru Kitteh]

69. I hope whoever did that is getting a digital colonoscopy from the Admins.

To the depths of hell with racist a-hole bullies.

[Skittles]

71. remove Trump from your sigline please

now that *IS* offensive

[Maru Kitteh]

74. I suppose you're going to come KICK MY ASS NOW.

[Skittles]

75. I want to kick the asses of the easily-offended

seriously

[gollygee]

76. ROFL @ trump/annoying orange!

HA!!!

[radical noodle]

70. K&R

[Skittles]

72. it is strange what offends people, and what does not

[KT2000]

78. K&R

It was carried in Seattle today too.

[sheshe2]

80. Kick!

[Craig234]

81. I support the picture and the issue

I think there are too many wrong killings of people, especially minorities, and some of those by police.

We need to do more to improve things - from the culture to the accountability of police and prevention to de-militarizing police.

However: I also think it's important we remember the larger issue and recognize this is one part of the issue, not the whole issue.

Far more people are wrongly killed by non-police and that's an issue as well things can be done to improve, but there's not a movement about those killings. There probably should be or rolled into this one.

But on police specifically, we should also remember what's missing from this picture - including that a similar banner could be made of police wrongly killed by people.

I'm not equating them - we should have a higher standard for police behavior, of course - but they deserve respect also.

And we should remember that most police do not do the wrong killings, but they do serve us at risk to themselves, and deserve oour appreciation.

Our approach needs to be one of 'we the non-violent people excluding the murderous people want to join with the majority of police who serve the public, and demand the issue of when police do wrongly kill people be addressed and reformed.'

Not one of 'the police are all wannabe murderers and the enemy', because it's not correct, or far - and by the way, would prevent the reforms we want.

That's a danger in movements like this - for a movement rightly against a problem to start to generalize and include the innocent police as much as the guilty, and that'd be a mistake. Let's fight the legitimate problem.

[Person 2713]

82. This is a picture taken in downtown Chicago. Cops here have been legally charged with murder

What is the issue?

[cosmicone]

83. People who wanted it removed

were probably from the members of the hate site spun off by banned former members of DU.

[aikoaiko]

84. What was his or her rationale?

If any?

[rbrnmw]

116. Police were murdered in Dallas

They said I was insensitive and disrespecting their loved ones

[aikoaiko]

119. Police were murdered in Dallas, but that's no reason not to call out murders by police

I get it that there may have been conduct reviews or grand juries who said the Black people in that banner weren't murdered, but still...that's no reason to ask you to take it down.

I don't think you were being insensitive or disrespectful.

[herding cats]

85. An ugly truth is still the truth.

I'm glad you left it up. The people it makes uncomfortable are the ones who need to be reminded the most.

[betsuni]

88. "Fuck sitting down": YES. The dead must be remembered.

I think of the speech Chief Seattle gave in 1854 (translators needed to translate from Chief Seattle's native Lushootseed to Chinook Jargon and then to English) at a reception for the new Commissioner of Indian Affairs for Washington Territory. Dr. Henry A. Smith took notes and his version was published in the Seattle Sunday Star a few decades later.

Every hillside, every valley, every plain and grove
has been hallowed by some fond memory or some sad experience of my tribe.
Even the rocks which seem to lie dumb along the seashore in solemn grandeur thrill with memories
of past events connected with the lives of my people.
And when the last red man shall have perished from the earth
and his memory among the white men shall have become a myth
these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe.
And when your children's children shall think themselves alone
in the fields, the store, the shop, upon the highway,
or in the silence of the pathless woods,
they will not be alone.
In all the earth there is no place dedicated to solitude.
At night when the streets of your cities and villages will be silent
and you think them deserted,
they will throng with returning hosts that once filled and still love this beautiful land.
The white man will never be alone.
Let him be just and deal kindly with my people
for the dead are not powerless.
Dead -- did I say?
There is no death, only a change of worlds.

(The whole speech, different version, can be seen at the Suquamish Tribe's website)
http://www.suquamish.nsn.us/HistoryCulture/Speech.aspx

[AgadorSparticus]

89. And therein lies the problem. People are uncomfortable talking about this.

They don't even want to see it. Jesus. We can't fix it if we can't talk about it. Maybe they feel like they're having to pick sides and are ultimately on team blue? I don't know. I can't figure out why people are having a hard time looking at this.

[In_The_Wind]

90. Don't remove anything from your sig line.

[riversedge]

91. It is a keeper.

[riversedge]

92. oh, and gave it a REC

[BumRushDaShow]

93. K&R

Alot of folks uncomfortable around here who want to hijack the narrative.

[Surya Gayatri]

94. Massive K & R!

[stonecutter357]

96. i think i will add it to my sigline.

[Stellar]

97. hear, hear....

I love you sigline!

[RoccoR5955]

98. It seems that, in recent days

Many are offended by facts, and seek to censor those who provide them the facts. They just want to be happy, keep their heads in the sand, and not realize what is happening. Many have been banned from this site for truthfulness, stating that they were offending others with their statements.

[marble falls]

99. Its now part of my sigline.

[ismnotwasm]

100. K&R

[JustAnotherGen]

101. No Retreat - No Surrender!

[Javaman]

103. life if full of uncomfortable truths...

Leave it up.

[GoneOffShore]

104. Keep it.

And you can always add this one.

[IMG][/IMG]

[NoMoreRepugs]

106. keep it up

[Lochloosa]

107. That's weird. I have the same pic on my sigline.

Ask me to remove it. PLEASE.

[obamanut2012]

108. Only Admin can make you remove a sig

Actually, they will just remove it.

Ignore the poster -- those people WERE murdered by police.

[JunkYardDogg]

109. Fuck 'em Keep it up !!!!!!

'nuff said

[rock]

110. That's silly

If not downright stupid. I mean for somebody to ask you to do that. Free speech and true speech. Only the guilty should be irritated!

[niyad]

111. I hope you leave it. hiding from the truth does not change it.

[silverweb]

112. I hope you don't mind.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm neither a member of this group nor African American, but I hope you allow me to contribute a most excellent video I saw yesterday. It really deserves to go viral to help knock off the blinders of those who still refuse to see.

This strong African American woman lays out the whole situation in a way that simply cannot be misunderstood by anyone:

https://www.facebook.com/RealProgressive/videos/1624202911242466/

[rbrnmw]

120. Thank You

[silverweb]

128. My pleasure.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]To make things right takes all of us, so I'm happy I could contribute.

[Quayblue]

113. 😡

K&R

[broadcaster75201]

114. WTF? This ain't a goddamn tea party.

Put it back.

Idiocy to take it down.

[Blue_Tires]

115. Unless an admin asked you, don't worry...

[geardaddy]

117. Good for you for putting up in the first place

and for keeping it up.

[ellie]

118. Kicking

Please don't remove it.

[KingCharlemagne]

121. Why would that person ask you to remove an image of what is

at worst a statement of opinion and, at best, the FRIGGIN TRUTH? (Lawyers might debate the definition of 'murder' but Michael Brown opened my eyes.)

[raven mad]

122. K&R.

DU'ers should know better than to argue with truth, and that pic is truth.

[we can do it]

124. Please don't change

[BlueCollar]

126. kick...n/t

[guillaumeb]

127. The banner COULD be a mile long if all the names and photos

were added.

Rather than take offense to an image, the public should take offense to the slaughter of black lives.

[midnight]

129. I don't get this silencing of ideas here at D.U.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

130. Things certainly have changed. nt