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Mon May 30, 2016, 10:33 PM

 

So they were singing "We Shall Overcome" at the Bernie Sanders rally in Oakland? (AA GROUP)

Pardon me but what the hell do you have to "overcome" that you feel the need to sing THAT particular song? My emotions are already high from watching Roots and now this foolishness? That song has particular meaning for the Civil Rights Movement. To appropriate THIS song for your butt hurt feelings about the Democratic primary process is insulting. Just clueless!!!!



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Reply So they were singing "We Shall Overcome" at the Bernie Sanders rally in Oakland? (AA GROUP) (Original post)
UMTerp01 May 2016 OP
RandySF May 2016 #1
BlueMTexpat May 2016 #4
lib87 May 2016 #2
BobbyDrake May 2016 #21
lib87 May 2016 #33
Number23 May 2016 #3
uponit7771 May 2016 #12
MisterP May 2016 #5
lib87 May 2016 #6
rbrnmw May 2016 #7
rbrnmw May 2016 #8
tonyt53 May 2016 #26
unc70 May 2016 #9
elleng May 2016 #10
uponit7771 May 2016 #13
Starry Messenger May 2016 #14
JustAnotherGen May 2016 #16
Kind of Blue May 2016 #22
Number23 May 2016 #36
tonyt53 May 2016 #30
Number23 May 2016 #35
uponit7771 May 2016 #11
brer cat May 2016 #15
JustAnotherGen May 2016 #17
ismnotwasm May 2016 #18
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #19
Kind of Blue May 2016 #24
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #25
Kind of Blue May 2016 #31
forjusticethunders May 2016 #20
tonyt53 May 2016 #28
Kind of Blue May 2016 #23
Tarc May 2016 #27
JimDandy May 2016 #29
betsuni May 2016 #32
UMTerp01 May 2016 #34
fleabiscuit May 2016 #37
JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #38
wildeyed Jun 2016 #39
UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #40
EffieBlack Jun 2016 #41
Haveadream Jun 2016 #42

Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Mon May 30, 2016, 10:37 PM

1. They had to overcome the battery drain on their smartphones.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:22 AM

4. DUzy worthy! eom

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:07 AM

2. Bernie is THE Embodiment of Black Civil Rights!

*sarcasm* If you people only understood that you'd understand why they were singing that song and Bernie would be the nominee.

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Response to lib87 (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:11 PM

21. He marched with Dr King, so it's like you owe him your votes.

 

I wish that were sarcasm, but I've seen Sanders supporters make that argument in seriousness.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:07 PM

33. Lol! Me too.

At this point I just laugh.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:20 AM

3. Wait... say what, now?



Exactly WHO was singing??

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Response to Number23 (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 AM

12. lol

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:22 AM

5. The Lord will see us through

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)

hey, Sanders made an album!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12805000

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:32 AM

6. Next Will be "A Change is Gonna Come"

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:58 AM

8. They have no sense of history or racial sensitivity.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:27 PM

26. NONE!

 

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:09 AM

9. We shall overcome is also strongly rooted in labor movement

The labor movement and the civil rights movement have been deeply intertwined. The history of the song is complex, but was used routinely by the labor movement before it was used by the modern civil rights movement. And Bernie Sanders has been active in each his whole life.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:04 AM

10. Thanks.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:53 AM

13. black labor movement... no... don't ... no... this is the DNC racial establishment whining (link)

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 AM

14. What specifically has he done for either?

And I don't mean amendments, I mean *actively* what he achieved in office.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:04 AM

16. For Black Americans

Who were once again shut out of the prosperity of their white counterparts solely due to the color of their skin:

http://artsedge.kennedy-center.org/students/features/story-behind-the-song/we-shall-overcome

“We’ll Overcome” first appeared as a protest song during a 1945–1946 labor strike against American Tobacco in Charleston, South Carolina. African American women strikers, seeking a pay raise to 30 cents an hour, sang as they picketed. “I Will Overcome” was a favorite song of Lucille Simmons, one of the strikers. But she gave the song a powerful sense of solidarity by changing the “I” into “We” as they sang together. Other lyrics were improvised for pro-union purposes, including “We will organize,” “We will win our rights,” and “We will win this fight.”


You do know the I Am A Man campaign was for black male refuse collectors don't you?

All we ask in this Group is that the revisionist history end.

Lucille Simmons was a black woman.

SAY HER NAME!!!!!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #16)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:20 PM

22. Thank you for the correction that took me by surprise

although the casual revisionism should not have. Excellent research, JAG. Shine that light!

A little more

Newly discovered research now strongly suggests that the original source of "We Shall Overcome" was a gospel hymn entitled "If My Jesus Wills" composed sometime between 1932 and 1942 and copyrighted in 1954 by African-American Baptist choir director Louise Shropshire. Shropshire's was a close friend, civil rights ally and spiritual confidant of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Thomas A. Dorsey and Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth.

In 2015, independent experts analyzed and compared a rare recording of "We Will Overcome" as performed in 1947 by Zilphia Horton with a US Copyright office deposit copy of Louise Shropshire's "If My Jesus Wills" (composed between 1932 and 1942). An excerpt from one of the reports—the "Goukas Report"—states: "Taking this all into consideration, it is almost a certainty that Zilphia Horton, singing 'We Will Overcome', was in fact performing a slightly adapted version of Louise Shropshire’s song, 'If My Jesus Wills', which was widely popular among African American congregations from the 1930’s to the 1950’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Shall_Overcome

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #16)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM

36. I think that poster just confused "We'll Overcome" with "We Shall Overcome"

Hopefully it was just an innocent mistake.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:38 PM

30. I've been very active in unions, even on a national national level, and had never heard of Bernie.

 

What role has he played in the labor movement? Should he be compared to Sam Gompers?

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Response to unc70 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:13 PM

35. The lyrics of We Shall Overcome specifically say "black and white together"

Now, black folks know that white folks LOVE to co-opt every single thought and thing that we do, but how in the world would a song like that be part of a labor movement? Particularly given labor has not been all that great on race relations either?

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:50 AM

11. They THINK they will overcome their loss of affluence and power, they wont... they have share what..

... they have with the "others" and that is threating to them.

This is more of the racial establishment whining that they've been mistreated when the long shot black guy.... whom many of racial establishment in both parties loathe, won in 08 with the same party and similar obstacles Sanders lost with this year.

They THINK they've been mistreated because they've been made to share...

This too will pass

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:09 AM

15. Tone deafness squared

multiplied by an unhealthy dose of entitlement. I'm sure it is "reverse racism" to point that out.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:14 AM

17. Labor and such

Then they should have changed the lyrics in a few places as has been done in the past for strikes and picket lines.

What's next? They are going to sing Strange Fruit at the Convention in protest?

This break between myself and this brand of Liberal/Progressive can never be "healed".

I'm done with them. We probably agree on the Social Safety Net and the Environment being at risk - but that's it.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:06 AM

18. UGH

Holy shit.

No--just...no

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:40 AM

19. And while we discuss or argue about this, Drumpf is saying "Crooked Hillary" and the media

is repeating it INSTEAD of DEMANDING tax returns from the narcissist sociopath.

We are in deep, deep trouble folks.

Let me suggest that if anybody is wasting ANY of their time worrying about how they cant support the party if their candidate isn't the nominee, may I suggest they get that nonsense out of their head and NOW.

And this is the AA forum, dont waste your time trying to rewrite history here, it is the LAST place it will be tolerated.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #19)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:39 PM

24. While I agree with everything you've stated, JWS,

I have to include that we are adept at juggling both because we have to.

It's not just the big things but all the myriad of little things. As Maya Angelou put it, it's the constant pinpricks in a balloon she likened to the spirit. Plus, the correctons made here feel fantastic and does a world of good for the spirit.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #24)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:25 PM

25. I was actually more speaking to the person who came in here lecturing about

what Bernie's real civil rights history is.

I know what POC deal with, and how many balls they have in the air at the same time, trust me.

It would be helpful if the police would stop shooting while juggling, as well.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #25)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:23 PM

31. Gotcha and understood.

Thanks for clarifying.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:04 PM

20. Yeah I am pretty FUCKING furious now

 

A rally in the middle of Oakland that looks like it could have been in Vermont and we're talking about overcoming? What the ACTUAL fuck.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #20)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:28 PM

28. Nice comparison

 

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:25 PM

23. Good Lord, that gif!

priceless

I can only imagine watching the new Roots - I just can't - and then hearing the song at a Sanders rally

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:27 PM

27. Yea, that's some lack-of-class Bernie-Ignorance right there

And man, I really gotta get around to watching Empire.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:37 PM

29. First I've heard of this. Do you have link to a video of that?

Was it the whole 20,000 people singing it simultaneously as a group?

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:34 PM

32. There's a GD post whining about this OP.

"Childish nonsense." That gif is so satisfying.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #32)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:07 PM

34. Yeah...I went slumming into that post and saw it

 

Issue is that I don't give a good gawd damn if Jesus Christ himself was singing We Shall Overcome. I didn't say anything about race. So their excuse is that it was a Black person that started singing it and mostly POC singing it. I don't give a shit and if it was people of color then its WORSE because they should know better. FOH with that mess!!! This "we are being so oppressed" meme coming from Sandernistas is old and tired and is why Hillary is expanding her lead among Democrats. They are sick of the bullshit.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:36 PM

37. K&R

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:59 AM

38. I found that thread in GDP

First - we aren't outraged.

You know - we just have our '1st Amendment rights' too - and we get to think whatever we want, write it, say it, etc. etc.

Second - we all have internet connections and laptops/pcs/tablets/smartphones and this op clearly didn't break tos or hurt community standards.


Seems like folks who should be trying to get ahead are wasting their time worrying about what some person somwhere said - that had nothing to do with them.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:36 PM

39. That is an amazingly insensitive choice.

They don't learn, do they?

I checked Twitter and saw some photos of the rally. Another question, how on earth did they have so few black people at a rally in OAKLAND?

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:42 PM

40. The same way there were so few Black people at the Bernie Morehouse College event

 

Ain't never been that many white folks at Morehouse.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:55 PM

41. "Nooobody knows, da trouble I've seen . . ."

 

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Response to UMTerp01 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:54 AM

42. Evidence yet again so many Bernsters simply do not know the history

This election has been plagued by Sanders' supporters rewriting the past. Infuriating. It has hurt the ability to have any kind of dialogue based in reality. Their entitled appropriation of minority pain shows just how wide the compassion gap really is. They are just as out of touch as the 1% but there are unfortunately much more of them.


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