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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:35 PM Apr 2016

Ta-Nehisi Coates’ Black Panther is a human drama about power

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/4/11360078/black-panther-marvel-comics-ta-nehisi-coates-brian-stelfreeze



In the first pages of Marvel’s Black Panther #1, penned by author and Atlantic correspondent Ta-Nehisi Coates, we see a country at war. The subjects of the fictional African nation of Wakanda are in open revolt against T’Challa, their king and the Black Panther himself. “Death to tyrants!” one cries. We have yet to learn the full circumstances around the uprising, but such is their rage that, on that very first page, T’Challa has already been struck down. It’s a stunning image, rendered beautifully by artist Brian Stelfreeze. As the symbol of Wakanda itself, the Black Panther embodies the country’s power and heritage. Now, he’s embroiled in a bloody conflict with his own people.

With that explosive opening scene, this new series (along with a central role in next month’s Captain America: Civil War) sets the stage for Black Panther’s breakout moment. As the first black superhero in mainstream comics, the character has long been a paragon of black excellence in the medium. He’s the ruler of a technologically-advanced African kingdom, unsullied by colonial rule. As one of the smartest and most formidable superheroes in the Marvel Universe, T’Challa has a solid fanbase, but he has never enjoyed the same name recognition as Marvel icons like Spider-Man or the X-Men.

<snip>

Coates’ own task while helming his series is to dig even deeper. The series, called "A Nation Under Our Feet," pulls its title from Steven Hahn’s Pulitzer-prize winning book of the same name. That text tackled the under-examined political power of African-Americans from the end of the Civil War on through Reconstruction and the Great Migration. "Steven Hahn is, ultimately, telling a human story — perhaps the oldest human story," says Coates. "In the case of his book the people happen to be called black. That's the specific story. But it always extracts to some larger theme. And I am engaged in that theme in this book."

<snip>



Artwork slays too. Take my money! xo
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Ta-Nehisi Coates’ Black Panther is a human drama about power (Original Post) Starry Messenger Apr 2016 OP
I haven't been this excited about a comic since Betty and Veronica!! Number23 Apr 2016 #1
Can't wait to pick it up. lovemydog Apr 2016 #2
Let's make it a best-seller!! Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #3
Does anyone have a link to purchase online? Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #4
Here's what I've learned lovemydog Apr 2016 #5
What lovemydog said. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #6
Thanks so much! Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #7
Yeah, but for some reason they're Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #9
Don't worry about the comic shop guys. M0rpheus Apr 2016 #21
:D Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #23
My excitement does not even come close Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #8
Ooo, perfect timing & great comment. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #10
K&R Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #11
Getting even more psyched. lovemydog Apr 2016 #12
Excellent!! Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #13
Thorough article. Thanks, Starry. Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #15
Love this thread and post! Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #16
I think you'd enjoy Sense8, Starry Messenger. Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #19
I remember when NOLALady Apr 2016 #30
I love everything about this story. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #31
When the lady at the Care Center NOLALady Apr 2016 #34
I feel awesome after watching those 2 clips! Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #14
That cast!!! Wow! Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #17
The Black Panther series penned by Christopher Priest was also very good. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #18
I've got mine! :D M0rpheus Apr 2016 #20
Jealous!! Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #24
Got it today too! lovemydog Apr 2016 #27
I'm glad it worked out! M0rpheus Apr 2016 #29
Nice one!!! Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #28
Really good NPR interview today as well, not sure which show. Agschmid Apr 2016 #22
A VERY good interview ... here's the link! Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #25
Thanks for posting this! I can go back and listen to it again. Agschmid Apr 2016 #26
Thank you for posting this, DP. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #32
Great post! NWCorona Apr 2016 #33

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
2. Can't wait to pick it up.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:29 AM
Apr 2016

The folks at my local comic book store say it should be in April 6 or 7.

From March 31 NY Times story: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/movies/ta-nehisi-coates-helps-a-new-panther-leave-its-print.html

When Stan Lee and Jack Kirby first dreamed up the Black Panther for Marvel, he was at the top of his game. Descended from a long line of kings, the Panther, a.k.a. T’Challa, had protected his country from everyone from neighboring tribes to alien shape-shifters. In recent times, however, Wakanda had taken it on the chin — flooded by Namor the Sub-Mariner and ravaged by a team of supervillains.

When Mr. Coates’s book opens, this latest version of the Panther is still reeling from these defeats. “As we get deeper into the book, there’s this whole question: Is T’Challa actually a good king?,” Mr. Coates said, speaking by telephone from his home in Paris. Throughout his history, the author noted, the Panther has spent much more time hanging out with guys like Iron Man and Captain America than handling affairs of state. “I’m not sure he actually likes being king,” Mr. Coates said. “This dude is showing up in New York all the time. It’s like, he always had something else to do besides being king. And there’s a bigger question,” Mr. Coates continued. “Wakanda’s the most advanced country in the world, with a really educated population. Why would they even accept a monarchy?”

Although race is an issue in the comic — “race is always there,” Mr. Coates said — it won’t be at the forefront early on. “The book is probably much more concerned with gender than it is with race,” he said. In the first issue, Mr. Coates created a plotline about the Dora Milaje, an elite, all-female cadre of personal bodyguards who first appeared in 1998. They were enlisted to protect the king and serve as “wives in training.” “I always thought there was something creepy about it,” he said. “Women who were taken from various tribes who may become the Panther’s wives? They don’t actually have sex with him, they’re just scantily clad and are always just sort of around him? It defied all logic of what I knew about men, of what a man would be like in an absolute monarchy.” His first impulse, he said, was to eliminate the Dora Milaje altogether. But instead of cutting them out, Mr. Coates positions them as perhaps the embattled Wakanda’s last, best hope for salvation.

Illustrating the book is the longtime comic artist Brian Stelfreeze, who was offered the job in September. Someone really good was going to write the series, he recalled being told, but he wouldn’t learn who until he signed on. “When they dropped the name on me,” Mr. Stelfreeze said, “it blew my brains out.”

A cover:


Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
4. Does anyone have a link to purchase online?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

I found this one on Amazon, but I don't think this is the correct 'version'.

Black Panther: A Nation Under Our Feet Book 1 Paperback – September 27, 2016

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
5. Here's what I've learned
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

with the help of some others here (especially Morpheus).

It's not available anywhere online just yet. Marvel and amazon don't sell the original run online. I think this is in order to support local comic book stores.

You can go into your local (preferably independent) store and / or call them and reserve your preorder or order. They then hold it for you and call you when it arrives. If there's no indie store nearby you, I think you can get it at most decent book stores near you.

My little indie store in town is keeping each of this 'first run' for me in cool plastic covers. They're so nice and cool in there, they loved talking with me about the comic. They're super psyched for this run! With the plastic cover I can read it and put it back in the cover to preserve it. It's like a reward for purchasing the first printing which perhaps could become a valuable collectors' item some day.

Hope this helps!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. What lovemydog said.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

I think you can subscribe through marvel, but we'd miss issue #1, since that has already been mailed out to subscribers.

(I'm going to hit my local comic store--I'm bracing myself, they aren't really female friendly, but it is for a good cause.)

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
7. Thanks so much!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you SM and LMD! I'll check out my local comic book store this afternoon!

I appreciate you guys pointing me in the right direction!

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
9. Yeah, but for some reason they're
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

teen-age girl friendly
I'm going to send my niece for a copy - hopefully, I won't have to ask her for it.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
21. Don't worry about the comic shop guys.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

Just go in, grab em and keep it moving.
If you're looking to keep reading the series, you may want to ask them whether they offer a subscription service (they order the books you request specifically held for you), and what it takes to enroll. Most places are looking for all the customers they can get so, don't be intimidated and get what you want.

I'd like to think they'd be all "Starrystruck" when you walk in, anyway.

You can Subscribe through Marvel, or even get the comic digitally but I prefer physical copies and not being subject to having my books beaten up in the mail.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
23. :D
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

I just re-checked them on Yelp, and they, no lie, just closed their doors and moved this month. D'oh! There are some others up in SF, I'll just take a field trip! I like physical copies too. I ordered digital copies of a title last year, just to see if I liked that format, but it isn't the same.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
8. My excitement does not even come close
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

to getting a stack of Walking Dead.
A friend of mine just asked on FB, Do any of the superheroes combat structural oppression? I'm watching Daredevil and I'm so bored with the constant fisticuffs with street hoodlums. Blood, crunch, centreing his narcissistic saviour complex "pain", bla bla bla. Why doesn't he fight corporations, or protect political prisoners with that bloody law firm?

Can't wait to send her this! Thanks, Starry Messenger

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
10. Ooo, perfect timing & great comment.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

I think this will more than fit the bill! Coates has been tweeting some of the concept art too, this whole production looks awesome!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
13. Excellent!!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

Djimon Hounsou: perfection. He's been open about lack of representation in the superhero genre.


At last year’s Comic-Con, the annual gathering of the geeks in San Diego, Hounsou offered up a poignant anecdote concerning the extreme lack of minority superheroes.

“I have a 4-year-old son who loves superheroes from Spider-Man to Iron Man to Batman. He’s got all the costumes,” said Hounsou. “One day he looks at me and says, ‘Dad, I want to be light-skinned so I could be Spider-Man. Spider-Man has light skin.’ That was sort of a shock.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/07/fear-of-a-minority-superhero-marvel-s-obsession-with-white-guys-saving-the-world.html

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
15. Thorough article. Thanks, Starry.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:26 PM
Apr 2016

Luckily a few years old and some nice developments since. So I think in the world of the imaginary, at least we're making some headway.

I don't know if you've caught the unusual but amazing super hero Jessica Jones on Netflix but her friend Luke Cage is getting his own show. Here's a clip!



And talk about a seriously diverse cast of heroes, the Wachowski Bros' incredible mind-bendingly awesome Netflix series, Sense8! My neices were able to hang out a little bit with the cast here at San Diego ComicCon last year. There's the Asian Indian, African, Korean, Gay, Lesbian and Trans characters from all over the world, and of course caucasions from Germany, Iceland and Chicago. It's so heady.



I'm am so hoping for both series to continue though I'm thrilled Luke Cage is coming.

Lastly, I read the other day Idris Elba -I CAN'T FREAKIN' BELIEVE IT - has been cast as the lead in Stephen King's Dark Tower. OMG!

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Of course, there's going to be "that" group of fans that will complain about the possible casting of Idris Elba as Roland Deschain, simply because the character originally was a white protagonist. Ignorant fanboy hatred aside, the casting of Elba for the lead role in Stephen King's answer to Lord Of The Rings, by way of Clint Eastwood western, is absolutely inspired. Not only can he play the badass with a gun in his hand and a quick word for his opponents, but he definitely can carry the more stoic qualities of Roland's character. More importantly, seeing Elba's Roland facing down against Matthew McConaughey's Man In Black is such a tasty proposition that we'd line up outside of Sony's offices, just to hear them announce their casting officially. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dark-Tower-May-Have-Found-Its-Roland-He-Perfect-99217.html

King is a fan of the choice, and says he’s looking forward to seeing Elba bring Roland to life. “I love it. I think he’s a terrific actor, one of the best working in the business now,” the author says. But he admits he had a different actor in mind when he started writing the books 46 years ago – almost three years before Elba was even born.

The author, who raves about Elba’s recent work in the child-soldier drama Beasts of No Nation, says he hopes fans of the books have no problem accepting a man of color as Roland. “For me the character is still the character. It’s almost a Sergio Leone character, like ‘the man with no name,’” King says. “He can be white or black, it makes no difference to me. I think it opens all kind of exciting possibilities for the backstory.”
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/29/dark-tower-rises-stephen-king-idris-elba-and-matthew-mcconaughey/2

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
16. Love this thread and post!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

I knew about the new Luke Cage series, can't wait. I loved him in JJ. I did not know about Sense8 or Dark Tower, so I will add them to my line-up!

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
19. I think you'd enjoy Sense8, Starry Messenger.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

Each story and how the characters interact with each other so far apart is well fleshed out.

The Dark Tower series was a joy to read - all except I think the last book, I haven't read - and it's wonderful colorplates and ink drawings, just like our childrens books of old with illustrations by NC Wyeth. I don't know how they're going to make a movie, the story is so huge. But I know Marvel took it on in comic form. It's been an incredible offering by King who, I remember, in the preface of the first book asked us, his "constant reader," to basically bear with him because he didn't know what he was doing It was such an honest intro to me and, almost 30 years later, I think the series has got to be his magnum opus.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
30. I remember when
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

my then 6 year old asked why didn't they have any super Heroes who looked like him.

I responded that there were many Heroes who looked like him, but TV just didn't show them. It just so happened that Nelson Mandela was released from confinement a few days later. I called him to the TV and explained (in 6 year old terms) how Mandela was a descendant of a King. But, he was a Hero in his own right. I explained how he was a Leader of his people.

When I picked him up from After School Day Care the next day, They told me how he was telling all the other kids about the Super Hero who looked 'just like him'.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
34. When the lady at the Care Center
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

told me what happened, we just stared at each other for a minute, fighting back tears. She whispered "Thank You".

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
27. Got it today too!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

I got the regular cover. Thanks for your advice on reserving it at my local comic book store. Enjoy.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
29. I'm glad it worked out!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

Your local shop is almost always the best way to get what you need AND fine new stuff too.

There are supposed to be 9 or 11 Alt covers... The completionist in me wants them ALL!

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
25. A VERY good interview ... here's the link!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention....Coates was very open and honest in the interview and I gained a much better understanding of the author and his process because of this interview. The interview left me wanting to hear more, to be honest....

NPR Link

From NPR's All Things Considered:

A Reluctant King: Ta-Nehisi Coates Takes On Marvel's 'Black Panther'

After he won a National Book Award, and one of the MacArthur Foundation's so-called genius grants, no one anticipated Ta-Nehisi Coates' next move.

"What's the good of getting a MacArthur genius grant if you can't go and write a comic book for Marvel?" Coates told NPR's Audie Cornish. "I don't know. There are things that people consider to be genius, and then there are things that deep in my heart I've always believed to be genius."

That's right — a comic book. Marvel's Black Panther follows an African king named T'Challa with superhuman strength and intellect, who presides over the fictional nation of Wakanda. The first issue is out Wednesday with illustrations by artist Brian Stelfreeze.

"When I was a young person, my introduction frankly into the world of literature and the beauty of words and the beauty of language, occurred through three things," Coates says. "It occurred through the magic of hip-hop, it occurred through the magic of Dungeons and Dragons, and it occurred through the magic of Marvel comic books, so I feel back at home."

Black Panther was launched in 1966, just a few months before the Black Panther political party came on the scene. But over the years, T'Challa has pretty much played second fiddle to the likes of Daredevil and Captain America. And his storylines often revolve around divided loyalties.

Much more and an 8 min interview at the link: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/04/06/473224606/a-reluctant-king-ta-nehisi-coates-takes-on-marvels-black-panther



Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
26. Thanks for posting this! I can go back and listen to it again.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

Wasn't 100% paying attention at the time but I caught certain parts.

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