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Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:43 PM

 

I'm really annoyed that someone people have JUST discovered the consequence of gutting the VRA

and are posting as though HRC was personally responsible for it. I don't really care about whether you support HRC or Bernie, but how can democrats who claim to care so much about the people, really not know that the VRA was gutted in 2013, a price that communities of color (mostly black/hispanic) have been effected by?

I have friends who are posting this article from US UNCUT, that talks about the voting problems in AZ as though these problems were JUST created to spite Bernie.

I am not sure that i am being particularly eloquent in my argument, but this lack of understanding the impact of the VRA on minority communities, is just really maddening to me.

Here is the article http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/

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Reply I'm really annoyed that someone people have JUST discovered the consequence of gutting the VRA (Original post)
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 OP
gollygee Mar 2016 #1
Stellar Mar 2016 #12
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #30
RandySF Mar 2016 #52
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #68
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #2
libdem4life Mar 2016 #7
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #69
libdem4life Mar 2016 #70
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #79
libdem4life Mar 2016 #80
EffieBlack Mar 2016 #77
blm Mar 2016 #3
Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #24
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #32
dbackjon Mar 2016 #39
progressoid Mar 2016 #4
Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #5
BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #9
wildeyed Mar 2016 #11
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RandySF Mar 2016 #54
MADem Mar 2016 #92
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JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #59
mcar Mar 2016 #62
Augiedog Mar 2016 #14
Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #60
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MisterP Mar 2016 #8
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #10
beastie boy Mar 2016 #20
Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #23
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yardwork Mar 2016 #88
Augiedog Mar 2016 #13
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #31
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #15
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #18
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #19
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #36
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pnwmom Mar 2016 #21
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Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #34
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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:48 PM

1. I kept reading that Hillary did it to hurt Sanders

People don't read newspapers or keep track of current event.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:24 PM

12. When the voter rights were gutted, people didn't know Sanders was going to run for President.

Nor did they know that Hillary was going to run for President, at least I certainly didn't know.


In 2013, a 5-4 Supreme Court decision written by Chief Justice John Roberts eviscerated the 1965 Voting Rights Act. In Shelby County v. Holder, the court struck down the most crucial enforcement mechanism in the most important civil rights statute since Reconstruction.


TheWeek

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Response to gollygee (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:37 PM

30. If Clinton somehow controlled the minds of five members of SCOTUS in 2013

to hurt Sanders, who had not even intimated that he would run in 2016, so that Republicans in Arizona could disenfranchise their Latino and Native American voters, then she must have some amazing powers beyond the understanding of mortal men.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:46 PM

52. Millennials don't look beyond their own immediate concerns.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:39 PM

68. It's not just Millennials. But, it does seem to be a prevailing factor in society, these days ...

 

especially, among the Left ... no matter how some dress it up as concern for others; it seems to always come down to themselves.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:51 PM

2. Things like this are why we keep saying the Supreme Court matters.

 

It's just unfortunate that some had to wait until their access to the polls was in danger before they realized that.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:09 PM

7. Yes. That was the Democratic Party I joined way back when and was the

 

big difference between Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats always stood for the common folk, the poor, the elderly, the under class, the young.

The Republicans were with the "I've got mine, sucks to be you" Party.

Indeed that has most unfortunately changed and more and more what used to be a gaping chasm has become a little line that can be jumped over and back, depending upon political expediency.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:42 PM

69. Now, it seems ...

 

The Democrats always stood for the common folk, the poor, the elderly, the under class, the young.

The Republicans were with the "I've got mine, sucks to be you" Party.


Elements of the Democratic Party stand for, "I'm going to get mine, and you're an idiot for not fighting with me to get mine ... because it'll eventually, trickle down to you."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:47 PM

70. That one, too. n/t

 

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:41 AM

79. The reason that changed, the reason the DLC and 3rd way crap started up,

is that Democratic Party was being dominated, financially, by the corrupt/bought and paid for GOP.

Then and now it is common knowledge the GOP represents only the wealthy but uses average people's bigotries to get votes.

The Democrats had to figure out a way to compete, and what they did was open themselves up to being as buy-able as the GOP to the rich.

Then human nature took over. I truly believe Bill Clinton before this happened would have been happy not to be a part of that, that is to become rich as he has, if he could have still garnered the presidency and power without it.

I dont think money is what drove Bill and Hillary Clinton to where they are, but once it was offered to them, they took it, along with just about every other single member of the party.

This is what Bernie was observing and commenting on from outside the party.

Anyway, how do we get back to a non corrupt system? Has to start with the Supreme Court, so anyone thinking even remotely about sitting out the election, is in reality working to make sure we can NEVER fix it.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:01 PM

80. I mean, it makes sense in the context of unfettered money.

 

I do blame the SCOTUS and those who appointed them. Now a contribution of $47 is nothing to a 6 figure haul. No wonder many just got disgusted and stopped participating. We have become a close parallel to Kleptocracy.

That, IMO, is why there is truly no real Democrat/Republican, left/right, liberal/conservative, et al. It is Establishment (i.e. Corporatocracy or Kleptocracy or 1%...whichever one prefers) vs. the 99%, and especially the 50%.

Any of the above voting-type dyads can fall in either category so the distinction between them is a moot point. We see it every day here on DU. Because, as opposed to the Republicans, we have two candidates who truly represent both sides of that chasm.

This is the Democrats Come to Jesus Time. The Republicans have that too in How to Get Rid of Trump. And the only similarity between Sanders and Trump and why they are causing such a ruckus is they are Outside the Establishment.

It's going to be brutal weaning almost all of our politicians off some form of that SuperPac money freely flowing in to the "right" candidates. I pray Bernie has good personal security.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:31 PM

77. True - but Sanders only seems to worry about overturning Citizens United

He never mentions any other Supreme Court cases, like Shelby - which is much more insidious than C.U.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:00 PM

3. Thank you - as a GOTV activist I was appalled at the misdirection.

It doesn't HELP and, took up time and energy better spent highlighting the REAL CULPRITS.

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Response to blm (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:15 PM

24. The "Real Culprits" were just let off the hook by a Clinton Surrogate.

NOt only is she silent, her supporters are actively covering for the culprits.

http://www.12news.com/news/civil-rights-activist-forgives-arizona-elections-organizer/98913425

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:40 PM

32. No Clinton surrogate is involved. The article you cite certainly does not say that.

Inadequate polling places in Maricopa County surely hurt Hillary more than it hurt Bernie, since the most impacted areas were in and around Phoenix and heavily Latino areas, which are voters who favor Hillary by a large margin. Hillary probably would have won AZ by an even wider margin if people in Maricopa County were not dissuaded by the long lines.

Yes, we should be mad and we sure as hell should get it fixed ASAP--certainly BEFORE the November general election, which is what the local civil rights activist in that article appears satisfied will happen. That does not mean the Clinton campaign is satisfied with that registrar's assurances, and it sure as hell does not mean the Clinton campaign is a "culprit."

What is sickening is all the Sanders supporters in thus thread, and indeed all over DU, who reserve their anger for and blame the victim of this scheme (Hillary), rather than the perpetrators (the GOP). 

We should be united against the Republicans on this, not use it is a dishonest pretext to attack Hillary. 

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:32 PM

39. Bingo! Only one polling location in South Phoenix

 

Phoenix as a whole had one location per 108 thousand voters. North Scottsdale (wealthy, white) had one per 25K RESIDENTS

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:03 PM

4. Gutting the VRA has opened the flood gates to election subterfuge.

November is going to be one huge clusterfuck.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:03 PM

5. That makes two of us. Civil Rights organizations have been screaming to anyone who would listen.

Up till now the outrage has been rather muted, but now that it affects one person's presidential ambitions, suddenly they're outraged. When they thought the voting rights issue only affected blacks & other minorities, it wasn't such a big deal. Well, welcome to the Roberts court. This is why elections have consequences, and USSC appointments are right at the top of my list when it comes to choosing a presidential nominee.

I have news for the BS'ers, it wasn't only Bern victims standing in those 5 hour lines, especially in Maricopa County where Hillary crushed. And I have even more news, this same crap happened in Flint and surrounding areas, but since BS won MI, they accepted & even celebrated the outcome. Well, guess what.............

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:16 PM

9. Excellent points, even if

some will not take them to heart because they don't fit their narrative!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:20 PM

11. Exactly!

They seem to think that no one has been talking about this or doing anything, and that the DNC is somehow behind it all and can make it go away with a wave of a magic wand.

This issue affects all poor people, young people, old people and basically anyone who moves around a bunch and/or does not drive. They didn't pay attention because they did not care and did not think it really affected them. Now they finally noticed, they are running around with hair on fire accusing many of the same people who have been working for years against this mess of somehow being complicit in a conspiracy agains Bernie Sanders.

If Bernie Sanders had ever ventured out of Vermont and actually gave a shit about Democratic voters, he would have been up on this issue ages ago.

Two other things that should be noted. These laws ALSO depresse turnout of groups Clinton typically dominates, so I don't see how this got puffed into a conspiracy agains Bernie. And in was low turnout in midterms that also contributed to the problem. If the GOP doesn't win statehouses, they can't make stupid, discriminatory laws to depress Democratic voter turnout. So progressive people need to vote EVERY YEAR to avoid this type of thing in the future. That seems easy to understand, but I am having much difficulty getting that point across.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:10 PM

22. "So progressive people need to vote EVERY YEAR to avoid this type of thing in the future".

This is what frustrates & pisses me off about the much sought after "millennials". They get all hyped up every four years about the personality du jour, and go MIA in the midterms. They haven't learned the value of voting in EVERY election cycle to get the things done that they cheer so loudly for, every four years.

I hope the immediate takeaway for the Democrats in AZ is that they should make very liberal use of voting by mail so that this doesn't happen in November. I voted absentee, in NC, for the first time, because I didn't want to take any chances that the new rules would screw up my ability to cast my ballot. I like voting in person, but if you want to make sure your vote gets counted, I'm suggesting that they prepare to request mail-in ballots this cycle.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:54 PM

54. +1

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:35 AM

92. I'd like to see more people turn out for local elections.

All politics IS local, and way too few people vote in those local elections--we do get the government we deserve in many cases.

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Response to MADem (Reply #92)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:49 AM

93. "All politics IS local". YES!!!! Which is why I have so little patience for the "loosely" engaged.

Every four years they pull their heads out, and wonder how things got the way they are. So many state houses flipped from Dem to Repuke because a segment of the left was "disillusioned". Give me a f**kin' break. We're now dealing with the fallout of their disengagement. A woman's right to choose, the reintroduction of draconian laws to discriminate against LBGT citizens, voting rights...you name it, they are all under attack, and the Republicans have gone all in.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:06 AM

59. Yes we do - and in even the smallest government elections


So progressive people need to vote EVERY YEAR to avoid this type of thing in the future. That seems easy to understand, but I am having much difficulty getting that point across.


If we ALL ALWAYS VOTED our local governments would look different.

While we weren't voting - Republicans have permeated school boards and town councils.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #59)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:34 AM

62. This exactly!

They started locally and built up to state and national. That's why it'll be so hard to get things balanced, especially if Dems don't vote.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:29 PM

14. Excellent image

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:29 AM

60. Yes! So frustrating.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:41 PM

72. That is one eloquent, smart as hell, informative post

You killed that one, girl.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #72)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:10 PM

74. It's funny what it takes to get people's attention, right? The VRA was gutted 3 years ago. Where..

the hell they been? And there's one dude running for the nomination, who is a sitting US Senator, who never met a camera or microphone that he didn't like, and they're running around the board asking WTF didn't Hillary do/say something?

I'm here in NC, and Rev. Barber (NAACP) has been sounding the alarm at every one of his "Moral Mondays" rallies, trying to get people activated on this & other issues, but now that one dude has been personally affected, "it's time that we do something". Petitions with over 100,000 signatures have gone viral just since Tuesday night. I'll ask again, Where the f*ck have they been since 2013?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:05 PM

6. From reading posts here I've concluded some are still in denial.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:15 PM

8. a lot of it's that people assumed the party would be the ultimate arbiter of its own vote

and as for the primary politics, has Clinton denounced the 5-hour lines?

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Response to MisterP (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:20 PM

10. Why does she personally have to denounce it?

 

What is she responsible for it? If not, she spoken up against the gutting of the voting rights act many times

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Response to MisterP (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:01 PM

20. Hillary has been denouncing voter suppression for years, way before BSers woke up to Arizona....

...whether she was losing a primary or not.

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Response to MisterP (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:14 PM

23. Did BS denounce running out of ballots in Flint & Detroit? See how that works? As for people....

"assuming" the party had some hand in closing polling places, I think speaks to the caliber of the "the people" assuming.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:33 AM

76. You are so right. If people assume that

 

Those people are dumb af.

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Response to MisterP (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:53 PM

53. A lot of people watched the Iowa Caucus

and assumed that the party personally runs candidate selection process in every state and did not know the difference between a caucus and a primary. We've had a fait number of primaries up until Tuesday and no one talked about the voter ID laws that most likley kept people (especially African Americans) from voting. But no one reduced their polling stations to the extent that Maricopa County did. And what did we hear Tuesday night on this site? "The DNC" as if they had a part in deciding who votes where.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:28 PM

88. There were a lot of problems with the primary voting in North Carolina earlier this month, too.

The Republican voter ID requirement just took effect. This too was blamed on Hillary here on DU, as if it were done just weeks ago. In fact, it's the result of the 2010 Teaparty takeover of NC.

Makes me mad.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:27 PM

13. Low information voters are not a right wing monopoly

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Response to Augiedog (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:39 PM

31. No, but people who vote based on hate and fear is.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:29 PM

15. It is annoying, I agree

But it is a good time to form an alliance for the integrity of voting in general, regardless of our preferred candidates.

This is an opportunity, will we take it?

Edited to add... to be fair, voter suppression/disenfranchisement or whatever form comes from the establishment. That Clinton is clearly, and openly admits to it, the establishment, that does not work in her favor. So, when Sanders supporters lump her into that category, there isn't much to counter it, even though it hurts her as much as any democrat. I hope that argument can be set aside for a later time after some collaborative work is done to restore the integrity of the vote.

They can be great allies here... don't throw it away.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:42 PM

18. This has nothing to do with establishment vs not

 

And these are not allies

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:47 PM

19. Keep telling yourself that

They can be allies though, but which battle are you gonna choose?

Never mind, don't answer that.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:54 PM

36. i do keep telling myself a basic fact that the democratic party does not want to gut

 

the VRA. especially Clinton, because minorities prefer her by HUGE margins

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:58 PM

42. You are still thinking in terms of tribal politics

And that is going to become more and more problematic as time goes on and black people are going to continue to get the worst of it. When will it be enough?

This is not a football game, it's more like tug of war and the republicans are winning because of tribal politics. They are beating us at their game, we should play our own.

But like I said... which battle are you going to choose?

I'm done here, I've said all I can say.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:08 PM

21. Bernie, a US Senator and member of Congress for DECADES, is part of the Establishment.

It's nonsense to pretend he isn't.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:17 PM

25. He is not part of the beltway clique and you know it

Stop pretending that he is. They have been excluding him for decades and he never sold out. Not even when it would benefit him. He didn't front then, he isn't now and he won't in the future. He is solid. You want to talk about nonsense? He is a rare breed and y'all throwing this rare opportunity away over tribal politics.

Sad. But that's okay. Do your thing, I'mma do mine.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:26 PM

26. He is part of the Establishment. The fact that he personally isn't a favorite of many

has nothing to do with it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:32 PM

28. Like I said, keep telling yourself that.

He is clearly not part of the oligarchy, and we do effectively have an oligarchy. This is established. No matter how much you rationalize about what the word "establishment" actually means, no matter how you parse it, he is not part of the beltway insiders. It's so obvious it hurts. You can't win on this one, just stop. It's embarrassing.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:52 PM

34. He is part of the system, but if "establishment" means the corporate oligarchy then no.

We need more like Bernie, for sure.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:59 PM

37. He won one of his first elections with the help of the NRA.

He's not as pure as his supporters believe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

BURLINGTON, Vt. — A few days before Election Day in 1990, the National Rifle Association sent a letter to its 12,000 members in Vermont, with an urgent message about the race for the state’s single House seat.

Vote for the socialist, the gun rights group said. It’s important.

“Bernie Sanders is a more honorable choice for Vermont sportsmen than ­Peter Smith,” wrote Wayne LaPierre, who was — and still is — a top official at the national NRA, backing Sanders over the Republican incumbent.

SNIP

As a candidate in 1990, Sanders won over gun rights groups by promising to oppose one bill they hated — a measure that would establish a waiting period for handgun sales. In Congress, he kept that promise. The dynamic served as an early demonstration that, despite his pure-leftist persona, Sanders was at his core a pragmatic politician, calculating that he couldn’t win in rural Vermont without doing something for gun owners.

SNIP

Either way, Nelson said, the 1990 race was another step in the evolution of Sanders, who had risen from the leftist fringe by embracing allies and tactics that the fringe would not. In Burlington, he had made allies out of the police and worked out an uneasy relationship with big business. Later, in Congress, he would join the Democratic caucus, attaching himself to the party’s seniority system, after decades of railing against the Democratic Party’s politics as weak-kneed.

In the 1990 race, he made a tacit ally out of the NRA, a powerful Washington lobby that has become a chief nemesis of the left and a fierce obstacle to gun control efforts in Congress and state capitals across the country. The alliance allowed the group to bash an opponent whose positions were almost identical to Sanders’s own.

SNIP

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:04 PM

44. His stance on guns is what most of America wants

And the NRA hates him.

Nice try though.

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:57 PM

47. That doesn't negate the fact that he's part of the Establishment.

And with the NRA, their "hate" is relative. They "hate" Bernie much less than they do Hillary.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:37 PM

50. For my intents and purposes here,

the establishment is the oligarchy, and yes, we are effectively an oligarchy. As far as candidates go, there's no debate to be had. And the aristocracy is no better, they like your candidate just fine.

Efforts to paint Sanders as Annie Oakley are disingenuous at best and straight up deceptive at worst. He's no friend of the NRA. Please. Stop your lying.

Also, the oligarchy, if they cannot roll it back, would very much love to keep the racist system exactly the way it is, tyvm. This is what's actually at stake.

Y'all want change or not?

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:56 AM

75. "Y'all want change or not?" Not the kind you're offering, but thanks anyhoo.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:14 PM

81. Then why the virtual blackout on coverage of his campaign...

 

which still continues. Now that he's winning big, there is more coverage, but nothing compared to Trump, because he's so loony, and Clinton because she was way out in front. And yes, she is The Establishment. Wars, political income, major player's support, BFF with the Chair of the DNC, etc. That describes Establishment.

Bernie climbed uphill to get where he is. Many still don't really know him as he's new to the national scene, same as Obama was. Being a Senator does not usually warrant national coverage. They make laws, until someone decides to toss their hat into the ring.

You don't take on the Big Banks and SCOTUS decisions and many of his other programs, and be on the side of the Establishment.

The first statement is a stunniing disavowal of reality.



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Response to libdem4life (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:25 PM

82. There is no continuing blackout. He gets similar amounts of coverage to Hillary now.

But they both get a lot less than Trump.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #82)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:29 PM

83. I didi not say there was a blackout at present. It was past tense.

 

He's finally getting some coverage...long after he was drawing 5 figure crowds.

And, of course since it has evolved into a neck in neck race...a reporters heaven...which is probably why he is getting more coverage than before.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #83)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:33 PM

84. Yes, you did. You said:

"Then why the virtual blackout on coverage of his campaign... which still continues. "

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #82)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:21 PM

86. Yes, since they are now neck and neck, it's about time. n/t

 

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:31 PM

90. Of course he is. He is a senator!

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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:30 PM

89. I'm sorry, but that's just plain wrong.

The Establishment didn't do this. The Republican Party did it, and Hillary Clinton is opposed to the Republican Party.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:29 PM

16. If u were to believe half of what the Bernie supporters have

accused HRC of , it amazing HRC has had time to run for President considering all the time she has had to devote to spreading all the Evil!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:37 PM

17. When your campaign surrogates denounce, retract, then praise those responsible within 24 Hrs...

you lose all credibility.

Seriously? This guy was ready to call in the DOJ and all the sudden he's claiming that the war on Civil/Voter Rights in Arizona is over and we won, while heaping praise on the person who just blamed voter getting in line for the long lines?

Seems to me somebody got a phone call. Reminds me of that Chris Matthews moment when he got told to shut up for praising Bernie on live TV.

http://www.12news.com/news/civil-rights-activist-forgives-arizona-elections-organizer/98913425

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:50 PM

33. The article you link to certainly does not say that.

Inadequate polling places in Maricopa County surely hurt Hillary more than it hurt Bernie, since the most impacted areas were in and around Phoenix and heavily Latino areas, which are voters who favor Hillary by a large margin. Hillary probably would have won AZ by an even wider margin if people in Maricopa County were not dissuaded by the long lines. 

The conspiracy theory you are pushing in this thread does not even make sense.




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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:53 PM

35. Watch the video. He declares civil rights and voter rights war is won. WTF?

He accepts whole heartedly their lame ass excuses. He say only a few voices are calling for investigations and resignations. Bullshit.

He says he's happy to announce the war has been won. Bullshit.

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:14 PM

38. It does not confirm your Clinton conspiracy theory.

I don't know what video you are talking about, none appears apparent at the link you provide. But I am on my phone so that might be preventing it from rolling.

Still, the article does NOT say something as silly as you suggest, that the "war is won." The article quotes the following:

“There is no present threat to voting rights and civil rights in Arizona’s elections,” said Jarrett Maupin, a civil rights activist in Phoenix. 


I imagine he said that because the registrar acknowledged there were inadequate polling places Tuesday, that she admits she "screwed up" and would not repeat the error.

But I don't know who this Maupin person is. He certainly does not claim to speak for the Clinton campaign.

Again, your Hillary conspiracy theory does not make sense and is not confirmed by your link.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:44 PM

41. But this does.

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:21 PM

46. No, it doesn't. Get real.

How is this person saying he looks forward to polling places being increased from 60 to 724 proof of a conspiracy to set the polling places number at 60 on Tuesday, let alone prove that the Clinton campaign was in any way involved in setting the polling places in Maricopa County at 60 on Tuesday?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #46)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:09 PM

57. Nice try SS, but you can't reason with that kind of illogical BS. They are trying their damndest...

to set up a scenario where they can claim, when Hillary inevitably wins the nomination, that only Bernie's wins were legitimate and her wins are questionable. That's what all the demonizing of the DNC & DWS has been about. We all know what this is, and shame on the BS campaign for trying to burn down the party because he's losing.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:59 PM

48. +1 n/t

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:29 PM

27. Recommended.

What do they think will happen in the general election with much higher turnout?

Voter suppression is the path to a GOP victory, but far too many think that the suppression is only directed against blacks.


Your argument was quite eloquent and on point.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:33 PM

29. It was gutted by a Shelby County v. Holder and supported by Republicans governors.

Chief Justice John Roberts (appointed by President Bush) joined by Justices Antonin Scalia (appointed by President Reagan), Anthony Kennedy (appointed by President Bush), Clarence Thomas (appointed by President George H. W. Bush), and Samuel Alito (appointed by President Bush) were the majority, all appointed by Republican Presidents.

It was opposed by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer (Appointed by President Clinton) and Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan (appointed by President Obama).

This only addresses the nonfactual argument that it is Clinton's fault. Bill Clinton's Justices voted against it.

The repercussions of gutting the VRA was to remove the fundamental method we had available to states in line with a long history of disenfranchising minority voters, in general, and Black voters specifically.

We have seen laws passed that pretend to "protect the vote" but really push us back into the age of Jim Crow.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:12 PM

58. Thank you for making this clear.

Since they removed the pre-clearance clause, NC and a few other states have cases wending their way through the courts base on section 3. But it takes time. Each ruling is appealed and then it all has to be retried. DNC or Hillary Clinton can't wave a wand to make the process go faster. And it underlines the incredible importance of having a Democrat in office to choose the next batch of Supremes.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:44 PM

40. Hillary, the candidate who gave a victory speech...

while voters were still waiting in line. Right after the media called it for her. There used to be a thing called "ethics" that existed before the VRA was gutted. Ethics are not compatible with the current campaign business model.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:03 PM

43. Absolutely

If there had been no primary as would have been likely this Arizona "problem" would never have shown up until too late. How can the party not know how bad these utterly transparent suppression schemes are? It would cost Hillary the state in the fall without this early outrage. Even so, will it get repaired anyway? Not just gutting the VRA. Once the GOP- which simply can't win a general election without fraud and corporate media- gets a statehouse that state descends into their dark column despite them treating their state and voters universally like crap.

The answer is just an simplistic as the impunity of GOP fraud, get lots and lots of votes to make up for the ones that are expected to be stolen or repressed! So winning or losing an election either way, democracy declines because we shrug off the injustice and moronic advantage thrown to these beasts either way. If you really want Hillary to win on auto pilot just stop the bleeding away of our right to vote. The GOP depends on their fake edge like they do their dark money.

By the way, Rehnquist was an up front and personal vote suppressor for the GOP in Arizona in the day. People were pretending we actually had a chance with his court? Guarantee the right to vote. REALLY attract and register voters, put people in jail for treasonous fraud, but above all restore the laws necessary to protect our rights. Once VRA was swept away, what little the Feds could do went with it.

And that goes to pushing the appointment of yet another GOP judge whose central core values favor business and the GOP even if only at a justice Kennedy level. Why do we keep the lawless GOP alive? It isn't for laughs, Trump notwithstanding.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:09 PM

45. Arizona

I think a lot of the blame game could have been avoided if both candidates made immediate statements about the debacle in Arizona.I am not following Hillary so I don't know if she made a statement right away about it but I know Bernie did.....this was an example of a time when both camps should have issued a joint statement about the problems....It is a serious problem and, who knows, it could have impacted Hillary's voters....but I image it hurt Bernie more based on the demographics of voters.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:01 PM

49. The demographics in the affected county supported Hillary. So, based on the

demographics, her voters were affected more.

However, it seems that Hillary's campaign was more effective in GOTV -- letting its voters know about mail-in ballots.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:56 PM

55. Would it have even mattered?

For much of Tuesday night, people were accusing the DNC of infiltrating the election clerk's office and turning people away (as if they can read voters' minds). How do you reason with that level of batshit?

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Response to jane123 (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:01 PM

56. "but I image it hurt Bernie more based on the demographics of voters." How do you arrive at that?

Maricopa County was Hillary country.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:44 PM

51. It was never on some people's radar

until it was time to make an excuse for their guy losing.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:41 AM

63. pretty much nt

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Response to RandySF (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:11 AM

64. Selfishness

Pure selfishness. Someone wrote back to me last week, "So you got yours?"

And I think I responded in kind. Yep - I'm selfish about a lot of things including my right to vote.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:52 AM

67. You do not have a right to vote, it is a racial entitlement, for you.

So said the most effective and active SC justice in the past 30 years.

Imagine someone who said that being not only a SC justice but a very successful one as in accomplishing his racist agenda.

In 2016 he died, not 1916.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:31 AM

61. K&R

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:28 AM

65. I'm a Sanders supporter but this attack on Clinton is ridiculous.

The closing of polling places was done by a Arizona Tea Partier. It disenfranchised voters for both Democratic candidates, and disproportionately disenfranchised people of color by virtue of party affiliation. As anyone who knows the history of the VRA could have predicted!

Thanks for posting, LLP. You are completely right on about this, and I apologize for the ignorant Sanders supporters out there.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #65)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:12 PM

71. And thank you too for not making excuses

 

For those who are turning into a pretzel trying to blame Hillary and 'the democratic establishment' for this

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Response to intheflow (Reply #65)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:45 PM

73. Another great, informative post. Thanks so much for that.

The closing of polling places was done by a Arizona Tea Partier. It disenfranchised voters for both Democratic candidates, and disproportionately disenfranchised people of color

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:43 AM

66. My belief is that in more than a few cases we have posters

My belief is that in more than a few cases we have posters, never before concerned about the disenfranchisement of minority voters, exploiting this for nothing other than partisan reasons in much the same way that the MRAs on were suddenly and out of nowhere, anxious in regards to women's safety in Berlin last month to validate their bigotries against the Muslim community.

There is in fact, an interesting and telling overlap between the two.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #66)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:52 PM

78. It appears a few posters

just discovered this group in time to express their concerns on this thread.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:16 PM

85. Kicking, again.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:23 PM

87. It is extremely annoying, and meanwhile, the problem is still unresolved.

Blaming this on Hillary and wasting time and energy calling for a redo of the primary distracts from the national problem that we are facing, as Republicans take over state after state and make it more and more difficult for Democrats to vote.

It is also a reminder that people who refuse to vote unless the candidate is "pure" enough are part of the problem. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is much less evil.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:03 PM

91. ugh. i also hate this concept of lesser of two evils. mostly, its about

 

more/less aligned with my beliefs vs crazy rightwinger

hillary is not less of two evils, because she is not evil. obama was not lesser of two evils.

PS: not blaming you for the lesser of two evils argument, just narrating a pet peeve of mine

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #91)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:19 AM

94. I agree, and I see there's more stupidity about this issue today on DU.

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