"Hillary Won the Confederacy": How Bernie's Campaign is Subtly Fueling Racist Rhetoric of His Suppor

[sheshe2]

Spandan Chakrabarti | March 17, 2016

Ed Schultz. Michael Moore. The Huffington Post. Shaun King of New York Daily News. Prominent Bernie Sanders backers in the media and culture have for some time been perpetuating the reprehensible idea that black voters - who delivered 30, 40, 50 point wins for Hillary Clinton in southern states don't count because their states are likely to vote for the Republican in the general election in November.

But it isn't just his prominent supporters. The Sanders campaign has itself repeated that message, albeit in more subtle forms. After Hillary Clinton won seven out of 11 states on March 1, Sanders senior adviser Tad Devine and campaign manager Jeff Weaver sent the message that the "calendar" ahead didn't look good for Clinton, intimating that the black-heavy southern states where Clinton racked up big margins were about done voting (well, that prediction didn't work out too well).

It was only a matter of time before a prominent Sanders backing organization would do
something like this:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/530becede4b093256168fba5/t/56eb233ef85082d0b88686dc/1458261079672/?format=1500w

Progressive Democrats of America is an ultra ideologue Leftist organization that backed Bernie Sanders' candidacy early. After Sanders lost 5 out of 5 states on Tuesday, PDA has taken the logical next step to what Bernie's mouthpieces have been doing for more than a month: they have gone from minimizing the black vote as insignificant because they live in "red states" to minimizing them as part of the confederacy.

That is outrageous. The people providing Clinton's huge margins, black voters, are by and large descendants of slaves, and to associate them with the confederacy is a disgusting display of racism.

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Bernie Sanders must take personal responsibility. Bernie Sanders must denounce the groups and individuals using disgusting language and delegitimizing the black vote. Bernie Sanders must reject all campaign support from groups like PDA and media support from publications like Salon.

Failing to do so will be seen for what it is: his quiet consent to use racism as a campaign weapon.


Read More: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/17/bernie-campaign-fueling-supporters-associating-blacks-with-confederacy

I guess BLM only some of the time. Their votes, none of the time.

[SusanCalvin]

1. Yes, that was really stupid of them (says still a Bernie supporter).

The South is, thankfully, not only the confederacy but also the civil rights movement.

And, yes, I don't think he should have allowed this rhetoric to be used.

[sheshe2]

4. Thanks Susan.

You are a keeper.

[scottie55]

67. It Seems Many Americans Want Corporations To Remain In Control

Of every part of our government.

If anyone of any color thinks Hillary is going to change the pay to play system, from which she has been so richly rewarded, they have another thing coming.

I also wonder why POC overwhelmingly support the corporate candidate, instead of the one that thinks they should all be able to see a doctor without going bankrupt, or they should be able to go to college without a hundred k in student loan debt at graduation.

Go ahead folks. Put your girl over the top. Reap the whirlwind.

Too bad you will be left out for one more generation......

And you don't see it.

Is it racist to point this out?

[TacoD]

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[pnwmom]

106. Hillary doesn't think anyone should have to graduate with college tuition debt.

And her plan will help ALL students with need, even those at HBCUs, not just students at public colleges and universities.

But instead of making all public schools free (assuming Rethug governors cooperate, which is highly doubtful) to everyone, no matter how wealthy, she wants to direct more aid at the middle and working class students who need it -- allowing them to graduate debt free, from wherever they choose to go to college. And she wants to lower the interest rate that graduates are already paying for their loans.

POC are smart enough to study the plans of both Bernie and Hillary, and many think Hillary is going in the better direction.

The same thing is true about healthcare. POC are smart enough to know that Obama fought very hard for healthcare, and that the ACA he pushed through has enrolled almost 20 million Americans in private plans and in expanded Medicaid. It isn't Obama's fault that Repub governors turned down free Federal aid to expand Medicaid, or that the Supreme Court allowed them to do it. And all Bernie does is criticize the ACA without ever having a convincing explanation for how he'll get single payer through Congress. Hillary, OTOH, wants to build on Obama's success.

It IS racist for you to think POC are less capable than you are of evaluating the issues and making choices that are right for them.

[sheshe2]

118. More white 'Splaing Scottie?

FYI. She is NOT a GIRL. She is a WOMAN.

[scottie55]

120. The Rich Get Richer The Poor Get Poorer - Notice?

Why?

Who is to blame?

Who has the solution?

Who represents the pay to play system as good as any one ever possibly could?

Who already cashed in?

No need to 'splain anything.

No disrespect intended.

I just want a country that works for the 99%, not the 1%, unlike the corporate state we reside in.

Not that difficult to wrap my brain around.

[scottie55]

121. America Is Not A Democracy

Anymore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529311

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

You gonna do something about it?

Didn't think so.......

[sheshe2]

124. You are posting in the African American Group.

[scottie55]

132. Yep

And if Trump is our next president, who will I blame?

Bernie was our last chance for real change, and our whole country will lose more than you can imagine when Trump defeats the weaker candidate with more baggage than a fleet of 747's.

[sheshe2]

134. K

[scottie55]

137. As I (And Probably You) Fight To Make My Country Better

For all Americans, basically the have nots, there is no group that needs more opportunities than POC.

For generations they have been left out, and I know it.

You couldn't even get a real estate loan till the 60's if you were black.

With Wall Street, and our owners sucking all the money out of our economy, and sticking it in untaxed Swiss bank accounts, it gets harder every day to scrape by for all of us.

Bernie wants to change this.

The other one, I don't trust at all.

She owes all the fat cats that gave her $$ and will need more for her re-election if she makes it to the White House.

I don't care what she says.

It means absolutely nothing.

The $130 million they have been paid by corporate America for "speeches" on Skype, now that means something.

That plus the tens of millions in PACS from the filthy rich.

If you feel HRC will upset the gravy train........

[JustAnotherGen]

141. Yes you could get a loan

But Saint FDR's policy was that your home couldn't be where white people lived.

[M0rpheus]

151. Let me fix this for you...

And if Trump is our next president, who will I blame SCAPEGOAT?

I haven't even talked about my preference on this site, but I voted for Sanders here in NC, just a short time ago.

That said, it's up to the candidate and his surrogates to make the case for my vote. As it stands right now, regardless of my personal vote, he has apparently not made his case to THE MOST FAITHFUL DEMOCRATIC VOTING BLOCK THERE IS. Ya know the ones that always turn out for the (D) candidate regardless of who it is.
I made up my own mind, DESPITE people like you coming to chastise us over here.


You are not helping your candidate... STOP.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

154. You are not helping your candidate, stop. This is the whole god damn point.

Withing your comment is the "psst, if you stop acting like an ass, and stop lecturing me, and start listening, maybe we can get somewhere"

But they dont hear that, they simply need to tell YOU what you need to know and do.

[M0rpheus]

166. I truly don't understand...

I don't understand how they think just one more hit over the head will change someone's mind.

I've made my choice, but given the atmosphere in this place, I wouldn't blame people for going:

[Squinch]

147. So speaking of working against your own interests...

For MONTHS, Bernie supporters have been saying that people of color are not capable of analyzing the situation like Bernie supporters. That people of color are politically ignorant and should listen to a group that over-represents white kids in their twenties and first time voters.

People have pointed out ways to improve this message since the very beginning. People of color have said, "You are losing us and this is why" since the very beginning. And in the face of all that, the Bernie clan has staunchly maintained their cluelessness.

This is exactly what has lost you the primary. Do you see the irony?

[SusanCalvin]

152. ^THIS^

And I've been angry and baffled about it for just as long.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

153. What a relief, thanks for coming here and educating our poor, ill-informed black folks.

[redstateblues]

176. Easy to see why Bernie isn't getting much AA support

Reeks of condescension- like so many of the posts from BSS

[bravenak]

2. Damn straight

[sheshe2]

5. Hey you!

[bravenak]

9. Yea girl

That phony suspension system is done. No more people chasing us around and making us not say anything for fear of not being able to say anything. And bye bye stockholm guy. Bye. Bye. I just wanna say. Bye, FeliciaT.

[SusanCalvin]

11. FeliciaT!

[bravenak]

13. Heh!

I was hoping to get a laugh!!

[SusanCalvin]

16. You can pretty much count on that from me!

Strictly on merit, of course!

[bravenak]

17. Ok ok!!

I'll be meritorious at all times!! I have lots of jokes I have been holding back, lol

[SusanCalvin]

19. Please, bring 'em on!

In measured lots! (Too much at one time and I might bust a gut!)

[bravenak]

23. Ohh! Saturday is usually funny

I'll have some cooked up tonight!!

[sheshe2]

34. Lol~ Bye Felicia

I can't get over it, our rag tag team of survivors straggling home. We had been beaten and abused. Silently we read more abuse every day...silently.

However, we were forced out 'one' at a time, again and again. Now we have come back 'AS ONE'. I think you mentioned this earlier. We left one at a time and have returned AS ONE AND SO MUCH STRONGER! I think they made a HUGE mistake coming after us. Most of the returnees, women and black people. Ha! They sure picked the wrong groups to mess with. We have been doing this shit for years. They are silly novices, we are seasoned warriors!





I love you!~

[bravenak]

37. As many times as we done walked through fire...

I can see why many have made themselves SCARCE. Like, bye! I'm back baby and it aint going down like that no more.

[sheshe2]

98. BOOM~

I would post a pic..... sadly they get hides.

[bravenak]

99. SMH

[Gothmog]

194. That was a very bad hide

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

3. It is not racist to point out that only Florida, has any chance of providing an electoral vote.

Do you really think Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, etc are going Blue in November?

My point being calling the race because of a lead gained on those states is an extreme disservice to the entire west coast.

Hey we are here, we are DEEP BLUE, why are we being disrespected.

[SusanCalvin]

6. Texas definitely could, if someone would put their mind to it. nt

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

8. I wish!, I commend you on your optimism. I think 2024 at the earliest.

but I will gladly eat my words should it happen sooner.

[SusanCalvin]

15. I'd love for you to eat your words!

And I'd love to be back on the west coast, even if I was disrespected...!

[Gothmog]

195. We are working hard in Texas to turn it blue

Trump could finally help motivate Latino voters in Texas to start voting. There are a large number of good democrats in Texas who are working hard to turn Texas blue

[SusanCalvin]

199. In a rational world, he would motivate all sane people to start voting. nt

[sheshe2]

7. Did someone declare a winner?

Someone called the race? I sure didn't. Nor did the OP.

Did we read different articles?

[bluestateguy]

10. Tell me you are not in favor of writing off VA and NC

Any by that logic, Bernie's win in Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma should be dismissed.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

12. of those listed VA maybe

and yes, Bernie's win in Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma should be dismissed.
as well as Arizona, Utah, Idaho .......

[LuvLoogie]

30. That makes no sense. Democrats are choosing their Democratic candidate.

The candidate that they want to represent them. Because in Red States, they are the resistance, the vanguard, our oases, our anchors in rough seas. They matter.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

36. well okay then it is all over, screw the west coast. they do not count.

the left coast should have no voice in the process. just keep sending checks.

[SusanCalvin]

38. I completely understand how you feel. nt

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

40. Thank you !

[LuvLoogie]

41. Don't project your feeling that your vote doesn't matter

upon others just because they get to vote before you do. Your vote is your vote, but it is part of a collective effort to raise a majority of influence in our governing systems.

It's a tug of war. You either pull or go play horse shoes.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

48. Fine have fun without me or any money

[bravenak]

54. What is that????

[SusanCalvin]

59. If I may, I think I understand.

Later states, in some quarters, are being discounted/written off.

[LuvLoogie]

62. By whom?

[SusanCalvin]

64. I can't at this moment cite specifics.

I just get that impression. Feel free to disagree.

[LuvLoogie]

72. Somehow, likening the slam on Southern demographics

to the relative enthusiasm, or lack thereof, for a West Coast vote based on timing, seems a false equivalence.

[SusanCalvin]

87. It's bed and I wanna go to tired.

I had a little hour about a drink ago, and it went right to my head.

I've lost track.

I just think the south is not only the confederacy but the civil rights movement, and that the west coast should not be written off.

I'm out for today.

[LuvLoogie]

92. Peace

[wildeyed]

175. Huh?

What, you don't vote there too, just like the rest of us? How is it you feel you have no voice?

[Mary Mac]

164. thanks.

Obama didn't write them off and I think he has property near Asheville.

[Agnosticsherbet]

25. A primary is not meant to gain electoral votes.

It's purpose is to find a consensus among Democrats and other of like mind on who will be our standard bearer.
There are not red and blue states in a primary, only Democrats.
It is racist to suggest that black voters are somehow less pure than white voters in other states.
By calling them "the Confederacy" they are accusing them of being one with the racists that once owned them.

All Democrats are equal in the primary. To imply otherwise is abominable.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

32. The Clinton campaign, trying to imply it is all wrapped up is the issue.

or at least that is for me.
When the states that will be counted on in the fall, have yet to have a voice.

[SusanCalvin]

39. I agree with both of you. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

42. Your statement was about electoral votes and implied Democrats in southern states

are not of the same quality as those in northern states becasue they do not come from states that a Democratic Candidate is likely to win. If that was not what you meant, I apologize.

Again, primaries are not about electoral votes and Democrats are equal in all states.

I think going into the math of proportional dispensation used by Democrats is off the topic of this discussion.

[LuvLoogie]

44. Most competitions have a psychological aspect, politics especially.

International relations and legislative negotiation as well. Bernie is waging a psychological game as well. What's your beef?

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

52. to be honest it is your attitude problem, what is it that makes you think you should be talking down

to me

off to ignore land with you

[Zynx]

55. Oh, because Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma are going blue?

Also, Virginia and NC are competitive states. Georgia is on the cusp. Bernie didn't do well in any of those.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

60. No, they are not, hopeful on VA, NC seems to have issues with suppression and counting so doubtful

[scottie55]

69. A Poor Person Can't Even Vote In North Carolina

And some billionaire bought the entire state government.

Moral Monday fizzled.

Surrender?

[wildeyed]

174. What bullshit.

GOP is getting their ass kicked by the Moral Monday coalition in the courts for their voter suppression scams. Meanwhile, record Dem turnout for the primary, FIRED UP!, and GOP voters don't look too chuffed on The Donald. Our governor is going to lose, too, and so will few GOP reps, which means we will be able to veto some of the most egregious bullshit. Art Pope and his merry band are going DOWN and our NC Electoral College votes will go to Dems this year

[Zynx]

76. So, why do we care about Bernie's wins in Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Kansas?

Or his likely big wins in Idaho and Utah if the South doesn't count because it won't go blue?

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

115. answered that at post 55, thanks for reading it.

[Zynx]

156. You gave a nonanswer so I asked the question again.

Speak clearly and precisely to get your meaning across.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

173. Well to people of normal reading comprehension " No they are not" would be clear

I am sorry but since you failed to disclose, I was unaware, that I had to compensate for your being differently abled.

[pnwmom]

107. No. What is disrespectful is saying the votes of black Americans don't count

if they live in the South.

Black Americans strongly support Hillary in all parts of the country. The Southern primaries were merely the first demonstration of that.

[RiverNoord]

14. What on earth is racist about the basic analysis?

Just so I'm clear - I have rather pale skin. I don't believe in human 'races' and have been in 4 physical fights during my life. Each of them was the result of some people's rather poor judgement. Specifically, making very derogatory statements directed, obliquely, at friends of mine, who happened to have darker skin than they did. And then failed to apologize when confronted. I really, really hate racism. In so many ways.

The fact that Hillary Clinton has seen her greatest popularity in states that are virtually certain to send all their electoral college votes to the Republican nominee for the Presidency is really, really important. I fail to see the relevance of what skin color those who voted for her happened to be. To say that those voters, whose preference for the Democratic candidate for the office of the Presidency will not be of any electoral benefit to the Democratic candidate in the general election, should be granted greater relevance due to the color of their skin and how recently their ancestors came (most, unwillingly, which is entirely another matter of terrible evil) from Africa compared to some others, is racist.

I live in Minnesota, and have quite a few friends from the Minneapolis/St. Paul area whose skin is darker than mine. They're all Democrats. Almost all are Bernie supporters. But even the couple who prefer Hillary Clinton are bothered by this whole thing. If a candidate for an office has disproportionate large support in places where the candidate is almost certain to lose, and a different candidate for the same office has disproportionately large support in places where that candidate is almost certain to win, well, the calculus is pretty obvious. And two of these friends have indicated that they feel insulted by the thought that their votes (Minnesota went pretty big for Sanders) should somehow be worth less because they live in Minnesota rather than Mississippi or Louisiana.

The calculus would be exactly the same regardless of the ethnic backgrounds of the people who support each candidate.

I live in Minnesota, but I grew up in North Dakota (3 of the fights I mentioned took place there.) I'm very 'liberal,' apparently, although I just think I try to be a decent human being, and I knew flat-out, from my very first voting experience, that my votes for Democratic presidential candidates wouldn't have the slightest impact on the elections. North Dakota would vote for a Republican. And I never thought that my votes should have some greater merit than those cast by New Yorkers or Californians. I knew they didn't. And I didn't expect anyone to stand up for the value of my votes. I voted the way I did because I chose to, and that's what counted to me.

Now, I don't agree with using the word 'Confederacy' when referring to southern states. I've spent some time in South Carolina, and there really is a lot more open racism there than where I come from. And there are some families, apparently, that carry a tradition of 'someday we'll beat the damn Yanks.' But using that term - well, that's derogatory, but not racist. It's kind of the other way around, mostly.

[bravenak]

20. Because it is offensive and we see it as racist

As an ally, i'd appreciate you all just being understanding since you do not actualky suffer from the indignities of racism inflicted upon you all day every day.
Take our word for it. It is racist. You will understand more as time goes on if you let us teach you little by little. Nobody can understand in a day. Some dont until they have little beautiful black grandbabies that they are very protective of. It hurts us to be described like that and spoken of as if we cannot see or hear it. Like we are an alien species that peopke can just pick apart and talk about any old way. And refuse to respect us.

[SusanCalvin]

24. "Some dont until they have little beautiful black grandbabies that they are very protective of."

EXACTLY.

[bravenak]

33. I watch it happen more and more

And boy are ALL ladies FIERCE if you threaten their damn Grand-babies. The nation is changing, and I am glad.

[SusanCalvin]

35. Me too!

[skepticscott]

28. Nothing

You're exactly right. And the author of the cited article is just making false attributions and putting words in people's mouths to try to sustain charges of racism. The only actual quote he uses is the phrase "red states", and the word "calendar" which is very telling.

All the real analysis does is point out one of the fundamental unfairnesses of the electoral college. That's not the fault of Bernie or any of his supporters. Democratic votes, be they white, black or otherwise, in states that are sure to go Republican in November, will do absolutely nothing to help the Democratic candidate. In the end, only electoral votes matter.

[Buzz cook]

101. Because this isn't the general election, it's the primaries

It's where democrats pick their candidate. You saying that democrats in red states are less than democrats in blue states. Because that's what the argument boils down to.

Of course it goes beyond that with references to plantation mentality.

[RiverNoord]

150. I encountered one OP from a guy with the DU handle 'RobertEarl', who claimed

that South Carolina didn't matter because it was so racist and had a 'master/slave' mentality.

I came across it as a result of this request in a different OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7654568

I took 'RobertEarl' to task very hard for what was very definitely an extremely offensive and racist OP. He then sent me a 'DU mail' which basically said 'I saw that post of yours from the other OP - just wanted you to know I know.' Then he stalked that OP and... well, the guy was definitely unhinged.

THAT was racist and abhorrent. And the vast majority of respondents said something to that effect.

So, I agree that references to things like 'plantation mentality' are racist, offensive, and (I don't shy away from this - I'm a very peaceful guy except for the exceedingly rare occasion when only a non-peaceful response to someone makes any sense at all), frankly, I'd drop any person fast who made such a statement in my presence and refused to apologize for it.

And I guess the part that we differ on is that I (and lots of others in so-called 'blue states') recognize that, given the way that the electoral college system (which is rather peculiar, but the rationale behind it originally was not altogether foolish) works, the votes that should count the most, from the perspective of whether a candidate can win, are those in states which may actually deliver electoral college votes for the candidate in the end. Bernie Sanders winning the Oklahoma Democratic primary and the Kansas Democratic Caucus? Basically irrelevant, even though I have an 18-year old nephew who cast his very first vote in any American political process for Bernie Sanders in the Kansas Democratic Caucus, and I'm damn proud of him.

The Democratic party allots delegates to the national convention based on the electoral college count for each state. So the Democratic primary voters in Texas, which last contributed Electoral College votes to a Democratic presidential candidate 40 years ago (Carter, and it was very, very close), send 251 pledged delegates to the Democratic national convention. My home state of Minnesota, which has gone Democratic for 44 years, only sends 93 pledged delegates to the Democratic national convention.

Now, in this context, the Democratic voters of Texas, who will not be able to contribute to the success of the Democratic candidate for the Presidency in the general election, have vastly more power in choice of candidate than those of us in Minnesota, who will. Additionally, the 2 Minnesota United States Senators are Democrats, and 5 out of 8 of our Congresspersons (yeah, we're a bit ashamed of that) are Democrats. On the other hand, the 2 Senators from Texas are Republicans (and one of them is Ted Cruz...), and, while Texas is the second most populous state in the country, it currently sends 11 Democrats to Congress and 25 Republicans. Minnesota has a population of about 5.5 million and Texas 27.5 million. Even though Minnesota's population is 20% of Texas's, its voters contribute much more to the Democratic Party in the capitol than Texans do. (2 Senators count for an awful lot.)

Now we find ourselves in a strange situation. Hillary Clinton, one contender for the Democratic nomination, has a lot of support among Democrats where that support won't matter come election day. Bernie Sanders, the other contender for the Democratic nomination, has more support than Clinton where that support will matter come election day. Overall, lots more support. In Minnesota, a Bernie Sanders candidacy would almost certainly mean that at least 2 of the 3 current Republican congressman would lose, due to the very high level of support for Sanders in their districts.

These things ought to be looked at soberly by Democrats who put the success of the party before questions such as how well their egos make out as a result of the process and the sorts of ethnic backgrounds of Democrats in some parts of the country versus others. Because the better the party does, the better position Democrats of all ethnic backgrounds will be in to affect the future.

[Buzz cook]

162. You're still talking about the general election not the primaries.

And your explanation focuses on republicans in red states not democrats. Texas as you said sends 11 democrats to congress, that's more than the total Minnesota delegation democrats and republicans.

Why should those democrats not have a voice in selecting the democratic candidate? The states are not members of the democratic party, individuals are. The basic principle of democracy is one man one vote not some votes are more equal than others.

[RiverNoord]

202. And now you are very close to understanding.

POLITICAL PARTIES ARE NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION. THERE IS NO PRINCIPLE OF ONE MAN ONE VOTE WITH RESPECT TO POLITICAL PARTIES. 'Superdelegates' are part and proof of that. American political parties have never been governed by principles that apply to the actual process of electing officeholders.

The Democratic and Republican parties have fooled the country into accepting that they are fundamental parts of the American political process. They've even managed to institutionalize themselves to the extent that there are state laws governing how and to what extent the masses, who really aren't part of the parties, but very convenient pawns being herded in the right direction, get to tell the party bosses who among their carefully vetted candidates are more popular.

So, no, I'm really, really talking about the primaries and caucuses. Because they ARE NOT 'democratic.' The real power in the political parties manipulate the hell out of fools like us so that we keep playing the same game, imagining that it matters.

And, just this once, things have gotten out of control. The Democratic party machinery has been aggressively challenged by millions of people who have decided they don't like the game anymore. These people, from all sorts of ethnic and religious traditions, have taken the fight to them. We are demanding that the party stand up candidates who actually want to accomplish things that the machinery uses as propaganda to whip up votes, then pretend not to have noticed.

If you really believe Democratic votes from 'red states' should matter, then you must believe that Democratic voters in the party's 'caucuses' and 'primaries' should decide who become the party's candidates in elections. And, if this is so, does it not bother you that that the Democratic party machine, especially its corporate wing, has pulled out all the stops to vigorously suppress a candidate who is off the script but heavily supported in favor of its unpopular, pre-ordained candidate? And that's how it is. Hillary Clinton is not popular. She's not supposed to be. That's part of the game. People who develop genuine support on their own are dangerously unpredictable to the party bosses. The party ensures that they graduate from a meticulous training program of corruption and cynicism before they ever get anywhere near a serious candidacy. And if that doesn't work, well, we see what's happened with Bernie Sanders. He was marginalized, in an extraordinarily well-conducted media campaign, to 'doesn't have a chance but isn't it cute that he's running' status a very long time before any 'voters' had something to say about it.

That's real. That's how things work. Once the party elite has selected its candidates, the process of getting them 'approved' is carefully managed and kept within very specific parameters. You really believe that 'black' votes matter? Or 'white' votes? All we do is follow the script and provide these corporate behemoths with a veneer of legitimacy. And what we receive in exchange is absolutely nothing but the promise of doing the same thing all over again next time. The house always wins.

[Gothmog]

196. I am one of the Democrats trying to turn Texas blue

First, understand that 2014 was the first year under voter id and that voter suppression law knocked between 5% to 12% of the registered voters including many voters who had the required ids but were discourage from voting due to the law and the misinformation spread by the GOP. Hopefully the 5th Circuit or the SCOTUS will put an end to this as 7 federal judges looking at this law found it to be void. The votes lost due to voter id would have made Texas competitive in 2014 and Texas will be competitive when voter id is found to be in violation of the voting rights act.

Second, Texas would a blue state if Hispanics or Latino voters voted in the same percentage in Texas as California. California used to be a reddish state until Pete Wilson in 1994 ran on a platform similar to Trump's current platform http://www.salon.com/2015/08/20/donald_trump_is_the_harbinger_of_gop_doom_the_devastating_history_lesson_that_republicans_are_completely_ignoring/

There were obviously many factors that contributed to California’s evolution into the deep-blue state it is today, from demographics to the culture war. But none of those things come close to the damage that then-Governor Pete Wilson did to the longterm interest of the California Republican Party in 1994, when he scapegoated Latino immigrants as the cause of all the state’s woes.

Wilson was running for re-election, and as part of his campaign to distract from the economic failure of his first term and increase turnout among his base, he ran on a platform promising to crack down on undocumented workers, and enthusiastically supported the infamous Prop 187, which set up a statewide system designed to deny any kind of benefits to undocumented workers, including K-12 education and all forms of health care.

(He also supported a constitutional amendment to repeal birthright citizenship, currently guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.)

Here’s the famous “they keep coming” ad the Wilson campaign ran that year:

.....Wilson’s California Republicans are now a rump party of angry, white Tea Partyers and a handful professional operatives. It’s a very sad motley group compared to the political juggernaut that produced Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

There used to be an old saying “As California goes, so goes the nation” meaning that California was the modern, forward thinking laboratory of democracy which started the trends that everyone else would soon follow. If that holds true in this case of this Latino bashing, the Republicans are in for a long road back from the debacle of 2016.

Trump's comments on Latino voters are having an effect and are beginning to motivate Hispanic voters to participate. On the Chris Hayes's show last night, Sec. Castro was on discussing the increase participation of Latinos in Texas. I would love to see Julian Castro be Hillary Clinton's VP pick because that would further motivate Hispanic voters and will speed the process of turning Texas blue.

Finally at my county/senate district convention today, a Texas Democratic Party official mentioned a poll that showed that Clinton was withing three points (the margin of error) of Trump in Texas. There was a 2014 poll that showed that Hillary Clinton could win Texas http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/01/clinton-could-win-texas.html

PPP's newest Texas poll finds that, at least for now, Hillary Clinton could win the state in 2016. This follows on the heels of a survey last month where we found she would have a decent chance of winning Kentucky if she makes another White House bid.

50% of Texas voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton to 43% with a negative one. She's universally well liked by Democrats (91/5) and a majority of independents view her positively as well (52/41). She holds narrow leads in hypothetical match ups with Marco Rubio (46/45) and Chris Christie (45/43) and a wider one in a contest against Rick Perry (50/42).

Speaking of Perry, Republicans in Texas have no interest in seeing him run for President again in 2016. Only 19% think he should make a bid to 70% who think he should not, and he ties for 7th in a 9 candidate field that we tested. Leading the way is Marco Rubio at 21%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 14%, Rand Paul at 13%, Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan at 11%, Chris Christie at 9%, Perry and Bobby Jindal at 4%, and Susana Martinez at 2%.

Again, there are a large number of dedicated Democrats in Texas working to turn Texas blue. We may surprise you.

[Buzz cook]

206. That's a very hopeful article

Thanks for posting it. One other thing that could help Texas turn blue is if gerrymandering were overturned. It's about time Austin was able to elect a congressman that fit the city.

[denbot]

18. So we're racist's huh..

Didn't you just come off a ban?

[SusanCalvin]

21. Nobody said that. (I'm white.)

Uh, and... Are you aware of where you are?

[bravenak]

22. Nobody called you that and please respect that this is a group, not an open forum

This is the AA group and she is a respected and loved member and ally. We do not like people coming here to attack her.

[sheshe2]

43. I am white.

This is a Democratic board.

You do the whole canard, "so we're racists". No. Never said that, please point out where you read that. Only if the shoe fits. No broad brush yet, my post made your hackles go up.

I accused you of nothing at all. I made a point of what some people believe.

Thanks so much for the snark on my return to DU. Read my hides....bogus unless you want to do one hell of a spin. BU owns our jury 85% and WE ARE BEING ALERT STALKED! Skinner woke up, he is watching. Bless him, he is now aware and readty to do something about it.

[SunSeeker]

66. SheShe2 was never "banned." She was on brief time out until her 5th hide expired.

A time out (especially in her case, where it was the result of partisan alert stalking) is NOT the same as a ban where posting privileges are revoked ("PPR'd&quot . SheShe2 was NEVER PPR'd.

[Gothmog]

197. Her last hide was a really dumb hide

[SunSeeker]

198. Yes. Shameful alert. She posted a picture of Beyonce in the Hillary Group. nt

[Wibly]

26. Codswollop

I don't think Sanders should have to take responsibility for the author's biased interpretation of events, which is all this is, a biased interpretation of events.

[sheshe2]

127. Well

You should not be posting in the African American Group.

[Wibly]

208. Why?

I was responding to an article on the main page.
If responses are not wanted, why is the piece on the main page?
Also, how is it that you are the arbitrator of who should and should not post where and when?

[Politicub]

27. +1 - it's clearly coded language to mean states with a lot of minority voters

Pretty shameful, if you ask me. And we all see through it.

[Spazito]

29. Your OP was alerted on...

Here's the jury results:

On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

"Hillary Won the Confederacy": How Bernie's Campaign is Subtly Fueling Racist Rhetoric of His Suppor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118746059

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

the People's View's writer was boosted from DU in like 2007

and PDA as racist "ultra ideologue leftists"?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:53 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was juror#7.

Hugs to you sheshe, stay strong.

[sheshe2]

57. Thank you Sapzito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Together we are strong.

[Cha]

70. The alerter is lying.. false premise. Beware of Alerters who LIE.

Thank you, Spazito!

[sheshe2]

96. Hug

[Cha]

100. Hey, I saw that Lie work before on Spandon..

this time it didn't, thankfully. This needs to be out there.. I don't care how much the BS can't handle it.

[sheshe2]

129. :)

[Tiggeroshii]

31. This Bernie supporter also agrees. Although

It fails to recognize how much the establishment has at best, taken for granted the black vote and at worst exploited them while supporting policies -as both Clintons did, that blatantly hurt the livelihoods of African Americans. But that has less to do with the location and more to do with the media not fulfilling their responsibility of educating people properly about their options.

The implication that she somehow won racist white votes because it is the former Confederacy is absolutely ridiculous, and ignoring the strong emotional and cultural connection the Clintons had with African Americans during his tenure as President.

[pnwmom]

109. Oh, right. Black Americans heavily support Hillary because

they haven't been "properly educated" by the media.

It can't be that they made educated choices that just happen to differ with yours.

[Tiggeroshii]

169. You think the media does a good job at educating people about the candidates then?

You think it is fair?

[pnwmom]

172. I think Trump's coverage has been over the top.

And that Bernie's coverage hasn't been as full as Hillary's -- but that can be a plus for him because the public hasn't yet been "educated" on the topics that would be thrown at him if he makes it to the general.

But the point you're missing here is that the white public has been "educated" in the same way the African American voters have. So if you seek to blame this on not being educated enough by the media, you'll have to explain why this "education" has been sufficient for white voters and not for black voters.

[Pharaoh]

45. I think the point being made was most of those states

will go red in the GE. Not to diss those supporters but it's just math.

[bravenak]

46. So just call us black voters the confederacy, then

We are just the descendants of slaves. Who cares if it is hurtful and offensive to us? As long as you guys see it as truth, it is fine to hurt us and marginalize us disadvantaged groups. Especially if it makes the more important, non confederate democrats feel better about their chances. Who cares what we think? We are so not important.

[Pharaoh]

56. I have no idea of how you got that from my post

But your right I might just not have a clue.

[lovemydog]

113. Calling black voters in the south part of the confederacy

is like calling jews in Germany part of the third reich. They didn't participate in their oppression and didn't participate in seceding from the union immediately after Lincoln's election. They didn't fight the civil war in order to perpetuate slavery and don't support the confederate flag as a racist symbol of those awful bygone days.

[wildeyed]

177. So what?

We are choosing a Democratic standard bearing to represent ALL Democrats, not just those in traditionally blue states. We are choosing one we all agree on. Hey! I know, we can compromise! Southern votes will only count as 3/5ths of a vote! That will be fair, right ?

[Bassomar]

47. Stop just stop

Everything is racist, or sexist to you hillary supporters. Just stop it. Its an embarrassment.

[lovemydog]

50. bullshit

[bravenak]

53. Bull

This is the AA group. Please do not come in here to disrupt.

[sheshe2]

102. Your post is an embarrassment.

Just STOP IT!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

155. White privilege is being able to say racism really isnt a big deal

So when you hear that, as you have here, you are reminded where you are.

[leftofcool]

143. This is the AA Group. Disruptors not allowed.

[Digital Puppy]

168. WillieT!! Is that you, Willie?!?!?

Willie's Tee, good to see you man!!!

They say you changed, Willie, but you've only got a lower post count!

[wildeyed]

179. What is embarrassing is people coming onto a liberal message board

and worse, the AA issues subgroup of said board, and posting this clueless, nasty, fact free, wrongly capitalized, over or under apostrophied (get it together, people, you are driving me nuts!) bullshit. Y'all should be embarrassed. And on so many levels.

[SusanCalvin]

200. Uh, I'm a Bernie supporter. And I agree with the OP. nt

[lovemydog]

49. So nice seeing you back sheshe2.

Great post, thanks for sharing it. I'm still considering voting for Sanders in June when we vote in my state. I like vetting all the candidates though. Still not sure if I'll vote for Sanders or Clinton but best be sure I am damn well voting for either of them (almost certainly it will be Clinton) in November.

I don't know if you know, but that WillyT dude posted about one of your posts in the Hillary Clinton group in GDP and misrepresented it. Someone else I believe posted about it in the Bernie Sanders group, misstating it too. I noticed this because you got two hides on that thread. That really pissed me off because it was clear (to me) that they were just gunning for you to get hides. That kind of controlling nonsense, it was clear (to me) that all they were trying to do was silence you. That kind of stuff happened here to our black brothers and sisters too, over and over.

[sheshe2]

61. Hey you....

Please PM the links.

Lol. For some reason they are always gunning for me. TIA.

Luv ya!

[lovemydog]

94. Luv ya too.

Sorry, I don't save links. You can find them maybe by searching.

[PatrynXX]

51. so are they racist?

if they happened to be Jewish? a large section of the left side Jewish system is pointing out Clintons direct ties to the KKK now whether it's factual or not have no idea. I didn't live in AR in the 80's.


and as far as I know Bernie supporters aren't doing this. I didn't know about the KKK ties until several Jewish relatives pointed it out. If Hillary loses the Jewish voting bloc thats a problem. You can't win them all but you should be trying... I can't say anything about black votes in the south. Many voted for Bernie The South in general is going for Hillary. I'm not gonna tie that to any one race.

as for the items I mentioned here It should go without saying I'm saying this to put it out there. So people know how to respond to it, if the Right decides to use it.

[SunSeeker]

58. K & R

[msongs]

63. bernie wins mostly-white red state = huge win, hillary wins mostly black-red state = people

who don't know any better voting against their self interest. very peculiar.

[oasis]

105. Having street smarts makes it easier to reject empty promises of "free stuff".

People are not as dumb as you might believe.

[mcar]

159. This!

How do they not see the contradiction?

[bravenak]

68. Can somebody find starry? Because we need her. Like, now.

[Cha]

74. I just sent her a

PM with your link.. hopefully, she's around, brave.

[bravenak]

75. Thank you

It's crowded back here and some are not following group protocols

[Cha]

77. Be nice if you were back hosting..

[bravenak]

78. Nooooo!!

The block list would be at max capacity.

[Cha]

89. Like

ours? It is what it is.. they take their chances.

[bravenak]

91. You damn straight

I will click them gone and move on

Click click click!

[sheshe2]

80. Surprised...

Not.l

[bravenak]

82. Damn

Everything you post gets people flocking back here like it's Summer Jam

[steve2470]

84. a now-banished troll called her a "n***** b****" so....

I suspect Stormfront and those sympathetic to Stormfront on Discussionist watch her like a hawk. I had the pleasure of deep-sixing that troll.

[bravenak]

85. That is straight nasty

[steve2470]

86. yes it was, a 7-0 hide and PPR by MIRT, thank God nt

[bravenak]

90. I'm sure I have met that troll

They love me. Or hate. Whichever.

[steve2470]

93. you probably have, sadly nt

[sheshe2]

111. Sorry....

[bravenak]

135. Shit...

You know what I know. It bees like that. I had to try to not post here cause they came... Everytime.

[steve2470]

138. it's ok, really, eventually they will all get banned from this group :) nt

[Starry Messenger]

140. I went to bed early, big day tomorrow.

Except now I'm awake at 3 am, of course.

Sorry folks! I did a little clean up in here.

Hey newbies? The group is clearly labeled at the top of the forum. The SOP is pinned at the top. Doesn't matter who you support if you come in good faith and with the intent to be productive.

[kwassa]

157. Thank you for your great hosting work, I approve of the blocks ....

this host was fast asleep. Lot of activity in the middle of the night.

[Starry Messenger]

183. Thanks guys!

I have horrible insomnia--bad for life, good for hosting during the witching hour! There are a few more I wouldn't be sad to see go, but I didn't want to inundate group hosts with PMs. Some seemed borderline, but passive-aggressive, oh I'm a victim posts get my block finger going.

[lovemydog]

165. Thanks SM.

I hope you enjoy a great day & weekend.

[steve2470]

184. thanks for your great hosting work!

I'm afraid that my reddit-related OP might give you more work.

[Starry Messenger]

185. I've got my eye on a few folks in there.

I don't want to just mega-block in wholesale quantities--the atmosphere of this group has been pretty chill. But if some offenders become repeat offenders, then yes. I'll get out the Febreeze.

[Number23]

187. I really think we need to go back to mainly discussing AA issues. Because I am beyond sick

of Sanders supporters who are not regulars in this forum coming in here for the sole purpose of harassing the regulars.

It's like some think that by harassing us it will somehow help him do better in the polls and primaries.

[Starry Messenger]

188. I agree--it feels like kids going through a neighborhood at night

knocking over trash cans and mailboxes.

[Number23]

189. Exactly. And one of the main reasons we avoided alot of this crap was because we focused so heavily

on AA issues and did a pretty good job of steering away from the primary stupidity.

Now that Sanders's campaign is already being referred to in the past tense, and alot of black posters here have openly come out for Clinton and have been equally as open about their disgust at the way we've been treated by far too many Sanders supporters, this forum has a target on its back. I'm not interested in that at all.

[SusanCalvin]

201. Good point.

"It's like some think that by harassing us it will somehow help him do better in the polls and primaries."

I've been observing that for months, and it totally baffles and annoys me. Especially since I think it is hurting rather than helping. First I changed my avatar, then....?

[Number23]

203. I've seen a bunch of known Sanders supporters here remove him from their avatars

The not psychotic Sanders supporters catch almost as much hell as the Clinton supporters here do. I have never seen anything like this Bernie or Bust crowd. I want absolutely nothing to do with any of them.

[FairWinds]

71. Disagree with this post . .

Can't we just please stick to the issues of the campaign, and
the situation that we face?

OK, I'll go there . . .

Trying to tar Bernie with racism is contemptible.

[bravenak]

83. You do not get to decide which issues are relevant enough for us to discuss

This is the AA group. Please do not bring your issues here.

[FairWinds]

112. Oh, terribly sorry . .

I was not aware that it is YOU who make those decisions.

[bravenak]

114. Now you know

[modestybl]

73. So Bernie Sanders is now a racist?

That sounds like a lot of projection. The fact is that the South is conservative... regardless of race. Many Black Baptist do not embrace or even recognize gay rights. I suspect there might be some resistance to a Jewish president.

Black voters, like all voters, in the North and West vote differently. In my county in Illinois, with a large Latino and AA turnout, Bernie Sanders beat Hillary by 10 pts.

The South is behind him. The systematic and widespread voter suppression that benefits Repubs in the general election, benefitted HRC in the primary. The Democrats have largely abandoned the South, which desperately needs something like a 50 state strategy. It's not in play this November, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz's DNC is just fine with that.

BTW "www.thepeoplesview.net" appears to be a HRC propaganda site, not a real news source. After reading a couple of articles that were blatant misrepresentation, I'm not taking anything from that site seriously...

[bravenak]

81. Who called him that?

This is the AA group. Please do not bring your issues here. That is gdp stuff.

[modestybl]

116. Because that's what's implied..

But these were the confederate states, and unless there is something inherently wrong or inferior about southerners in general, the poverty and conservatism and institutional racism are all tied in with that history.

I don't know what "issues" you'd be referring to, but I am curious why AA voters would embrace a woman who touts her years as a "Goldwater girl" as formative to her political thinking. It really is just a simple question.

Unless its their fondness for Bill..

[DemonGoddess]

145. The Rust Belt

which is Midwestern, were part of the Confederate States????

[SunSeeker]

88. You do realize that voter suppression in the South is aimed at AA voters, right?

The South is behind him. The systematic and widespread voter suppression that benefits Repubs in the general election, benefitted HRC in the primary. 

All those voter ID laws in the South disproportionately hurt AA voters. THAT IS WHY THE RACIST GOP STATE GOVERNMENTS PASSED THEM. So, if anything, Hillary's winning margin would have been even higher without the voter suppression laws, because she gets something like 90% of the AA votes in the South. So no, those voter suppression laws did not "benefit HRC."

Good grief.

[modestybl]

108. And aimed at NEW voters...

... and Sanders does very well among new voters. Voter registration is made more difficult, fewer new voters. The voter turnout was very small in the South, down 30-50% from 2008. The smaller the voter turnout, the better for HRC, across the board.

[SunSeeker]

110. No, it is not. It is aimed at AA voters. That is why the Voting Rights Act was necessary.

Good grief.



Here, educate yourself:

http://m.mic.com/articles/119844/one-chart-shows-the-depressingly-racist-truth-about-voter-id-laws-you-tried-to-ignore#.YZpeXTsQe

[scottie55]

131. POC And The Poor

Making it harder for Americans to vote is the ultimate sin.

Of course it is a winning GOP strategy.

[UMTerp01]

95. There's definitely a racial overtone hint from some of Bernie's supporters

This whole "the map looks better for Bernie going forward".....why? Why does the map look better? Because those states are less diverse? Because they are overwhelmingly white? If I'm a candidate claiming to be building a political revolution, there's a big problem with my message when I can't win over Latinos and African Americans. So yeah...I don't think that most people realize in their conscious how that sounds when they say "the map looks better" but thats essentially what it means. The demographics are better for him because the voters in the upcoming states are about as diverse as a Yale glee club meeting.

[scottie55]

125. UMTerp01 - Can You Say President Trump?

Better learn.

It seems Bernie Supporters want our corrupt government changed to more represent the people, or the 99%.

I have no idea what HRC supporters want.

More of the same?

Small changes around the edges?

Wall Street runs our government.

Noticed?

[scottie55]

128. Check This One Out - DU

Hillary Clinton: No Better Investment A Corporation Can Make

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017340497#post27

[wildeyed]

180. If you have no idea what Clinton supporters want

then you are being willfully ignorant. Here is a clue. A representative who listens more and talks less. Also, we want Sanders and his supporters to stop posting loaded rhetorical questions to avoid engaging in meaningful debate. Hope that helps

[Cha]

97. Another incredibly bad, insulting strategy from the BS campaign, she. How many have they come

up with now?

This is one of the worst if not the worst.. running against President Obama, demonizing Hillary and now this..

"Hillary Won the Confederacy" those bros who were stating that gave this as an "apology" from your link..



"I am uncertain if this is an apology or more of a pile-on. Saying that "confederacy" is just an "emotionally charged" term fails miserably to even acknowledge the deeply disturbing and bigoted nature of associating black voters with the confederacy. This is not primarily about emotions. This is about historical revisionism and deep seated racism paralleling that of Donald Trump's".

It's a really stupid divisive strategy but then is there any other kind from that campaign?

Thank you for your OP, she~ Glad it's here to stay.

[bravenak]

104. Very interesting

[FairWinds]

117. Thank you M'am . .

We need a hundred flowers of opinion blooming on DU.

How many groups have bounced you? I'm only "persona non grata" with
with the Hillary group so far.

Guess that means the rest of them are falling down on the job.

[sheshe2]

123. This...

Is one of the most diverse groups on DU. Warm and welcoming to most members. They are one of the most tolerant and forgiving groups on DU. Trust me they are constantly abused yet their warmth, love and human kindness shines.

These peeps, some of the best and brightest shining stars on DU. I am so grateful they welcomed this white person.

To be welcome here? You need some love in your heart, some tolerance and respect. You need to open your mind to listen.

PS...Ya need to post gifs and have a sense of humor

Your post....

Have been lurking around for years now, I am also a Black older woman.

Thought I would like to post in a group such as this but this group is only for those who want to join the choir.

I won't be back to see what folks here think of anything since it's group think or jury on any opinions that are opposite the hive buzz.

Hide this, ban me, do what I have seen you do best.

Thanks

Wow. What an incredibly sad and depressing post....hive buzz? "Hide this, ban me, do what I have seen you do best." Ouch.

[kwassa]

160. This group is not about a choir, it is about a focus on AA issues.

There are regulars that are Hillary supporters, Bernie supporters, and undecideds. Pretty diverse choir. Most of DU, like 90%, are Bernie supporters, so this group is more diverse than much of this place. This group is pretty tolerant, as long as new people are civil.

Basic issues about the primaries belong in GDP, not here, and much of this thread steered off into GDP territory.

[Number23]

186. This group has been on DU for 14 years. How odd that you suddenly just found us now

And aren't participating beyond this laughably insulting and needless post.

We won't ban you. You said you won't be back. Remember?

[sheshe2]

133. WTF!!!!

Get the hell out of this group!

PS I AM OLD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME? My voice is no longer allowed? Trust me I can run circles around you and can leave you in the dust.

FYI your candidate is eleven years older than I am. Not sure you should be harping on age issues!!!!!!

Thanks

[bravenak]

136. Yes. We might need another night host.

[wildeyed]

181. Yes, at least for the duration....

[riversedge]

139. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

I voted to Hide..Sorry to see this crap still going happening on DU




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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Please help us hide this abuse in the AA group

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[Jamaal510]

126. OH, MA, etc. were part

of the confederacy? That's news to me.

[scottie55]

130. Hillary Gets Wall Street Cash And African American Votes

Something just doesn't seem right.....

[JustAnotherGen]

142. Posting to in order to watch

FYI Sheshe - a keyword in your title is trashed to keep my latest threads less cluttered. Just saw it this morning when I started getting blocked member pms from another host.

PM today if this goes sideways.

[sheshe2]

146. Hey Jag...

Off to work.

I haven't even had a chance to read it all through again. Will be back in PM.

Love ya.

[leftofcool]

144. This really shouldn't surprise anyone

Sanders' campaign have been using coded language for months.

[workinclasszero]

148. For anyone paying attention

it has been an obvious undercurrent all along.

[George II]

149. If that were Clinton, we'd be seeing the old "dog whistle" theme.

[kwassa]

158. Where did all these strangers come from in the middle of the night?

Trying to turn this into GDP?

The blocks were good, and a few more could be blocked if they continue.

[JustAnotherGen]

161. Amen

Starry is rocking the block!

[kwassa]

163. I'm glad somebody is up at that hour.

Needed some serious hosting last night.

[lovemydog]

167. I don't know.

This group engages differing opinions and support for different candidates better than any group here.

The trolling is pitiful & hilarious. It merely supports the points in the original post.

[etherealtruth]

190. That is the truth

This group engages differing opinions and support for different candidates better than any group here.

The only disagreement I have is that the trolling isn't hilarious (to me) just pitiful

[Digital Puppy]

170. Like Whodini said...

Freaks come out at night....

[lovemydog]

191. haha!

[carolinayellowdog]

171. IMPLICIT race hate, EXPLICIT regional hate

It may not have occurred to many people here, but this "Confederate vote" business was explicitly insulting to white progressive Sanders voters in 11 states, and white Clinton voters, along with the implicit racism against AA voters. As a Sanders voter-- damn, we voted for him and gave him money, only to be called the most hateful name anyone could possibly call us progressives? I was offended on behalf of my African American family members, but also on my own behalf as a white descendant of UNIONIST Southerners.

I only wish that the sensitivity about regional and race hate had appeared here many years ago. In the aftermath of the 2004 election there was a relentless barrage of hatemongering along the lines of "let them secede, who needs them?!" Well of course no one who was enslaved in 1860 CHOSE "to secede" so this was insulting and hateful on the face of things to all AA voters. And my own ancestral whites in one NC county voted 81% NO on secession in 1861, yet we were all swept up in the general condemnation of "Confederates" here too. Alas, back in 2004-2005. when DU had (as it still does not have) NO prohibition on regional hate speech, I didn't notice any AA members speaking up against the avalanche of "get rid of them ALL, ALL those poor, uneducated Southerners." Felt nearly all alone in protesting the dozens of hateful remarks along these lines, and commenting that the "richer, better educated" country these hatemongers were fantasizing over would also be a helluvalot WHITER, and there was much implicit racism in the regional hatemongering.

Glad the issues of regional and race hatemongering are FINALLY being recognized as intertwined.

[steve2470]

178. good points! nt

[JustAnotherGen]

204. I have

I also have stated clearly that some of the nicest people I've ever met was while working for a division of Bell South on a special campaign in Sunbright TN and McCreary County KY. Could be I'm a direct descendent of the founders of WV (anti slavery - my branch fled the Confederacy and headed West) or my dad was a Bama man and I spent a lot of my time in the summer as a kid between Talladega and Lake Tahoe.

On that note - when is So Cal going to secede from No Cal?

[carolinayellowdog]

205. THANKS it is all SO complicated!

One thing that would totally escape the hatemongers on both sides of the imaginary yet all-too-real COLOR LINE is that people on both sides of it feel not just RELIEF but JOY in making connections like these. The "mainstream narrative" would have us believe that European/African mixtures occurred largely in non-consensual circumstances in the 19thc. (The racial-polarizing message to "black" Americans-- any "white" ancestors you may have were EVIL RAPISTS deserving of hatred for crossing the sacred COLOR LINE. Message to "white" Americans-- any miscegenating ancestors you might have had were EVIL RAPISTS deserving of hatred for crossing the sacred COLOR LINE.) The actual narrative based on DNA is that a tremendous amount of this colonial admixture occurred BEFORE the solidification of the color line circa 1700. It wasn't sacred then and it isn't NOW.

We're ALL related like it or not!

[guillaumeb]

182. Recommended she she. While Sanders has proven his personal commitment to racial justice,

there is no doubt that he MUST control the message that is put out. The "explanation" for HRC's Southern wins presumes that every Clinton vote from the Southern states was a black one and that is simply not true.

[DemonGoddess]

192. BIG K&R!

[Gothmog]

193. Great OP-this attack is really sad

I am from one of the so-called confederated states and I find this line of attack to be sad.

[wildeyed]

207. Me too.

We are fighting so hard here. We are down in the trenches in NC, fighting a mighty battle for what I believe is the soul of the entire nation, and what I get from Bernie Sanders is that I am part of the fucking Confederacy because my state cast more votes for Hillary Clinton than for him in a primary election? That statement right there indicates that I made the right choice when I cast my ballot for clinton. He does not have my back, only his own I am so tired of this election.