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sheshe2

(83,357 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:15 PM Aug 2015

Open letter to progressives: You’re doing it wrong and it’ll cost the Democratic Party

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Christian Taylor, 19. Amber Monroe, 20. Tyrone Harris, 18. Andre Green,15.

Those are just a few of the black people murdered last weekend. I’m sorry that your pep rally was interrupted but WE ARE DYING BY THE DOZENS in the streets. Have some perspective.

When you posted about BLM activists having “no strategy;”
When you ranted about not understanding BLM activists’ tactics;
When you railed about how Bernie is “the BLM candidate;”
When you lectured BLM activists because they “are working against their own interests;”
Did you also post about the anniversary of Michael Brown’s murder and the Ferguson uprising?
Did you also rant about the 314 black people that have been killed by the police since August 2014?
Did you also rail about the 12 trans women killed this year, almost all of whom still haven’t seen any justice?
Did you also lecture other progressives about how their privilege and comfort comes at a cost to others?

Did you do anything at all that would have actually helped the movement? Or were you so focused on advancing your candidate that you missed the very real human impact of hearing “progressives” boo when confronted with Black Lives Matter in “their” space?

If you support Black Lives Matter activists up until they do something you don’t agree with, then you were never really in solidarity. If you support the Black Lives Matter movement but have never done anything to challenge systems of privilege and power, then you aren’t actually an ally. You are part of the problem.


Martin Luther King Jr. quote re: white moderates

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Read More: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/10/1410719/-Open-letter-to-progressives-You-re-doing-it-wrong-and-it-ll-cost-the-Democratic-Party
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Open letter to progressives: You’re doing it wrong and it’ll cost the Democratic Party (Original Post) sheshe2 Aug 2015 OP
Very brave to post this in AA where any serious rebuttal will get pounded. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #1
You have been informed once already that your intrusion into this group and your offensive Number23 Aug 2015 #5
Excellent Block! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #9
So progressives are now "moderates" cprise Aug 2015 #68
***note to posters*** Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #76
Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #18
Thank you for maintaining the integrity of this group. kwassa Aug 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #47
Have you been in the Bernie-ship lately? Talk about tight. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #73
You have been more than patient with that poster. Good call. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #67
Well done. Past time. MADem Aug 2015 #107
Thank you ! Person 2713 Oct 2015 #180
*updates database* Quayblue Aug 2015 #14
#BlackLivesMatter Protesters and Activists aren't the problem.. it's the ugly Cha Aug 2015 #114
I love you bravenak... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #2
My OP was just alerted on. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #3
Oh good grief. This stuff is beyond ridiculous. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #7
Maybe there will be a fair jury. murielm99 Aug 2015 #37
Really. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #39
Why are you in this forum? murielm99 Aug 2015 #41
Sorry, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #49
I don't know your posting history. murielm99 Aug 2015 #55
I did not mean it to be defensive. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #57
Okay. murielm99 Aug 2015 #64
He's fun to poke at, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #65
And that kind of silliness is why I've mostly absented myself tishaLA Aug 2015 #11
I got my first ever hide GitRDun Aug 2015 #25
I got two alerts in the same thread, murielm99 Aug 2015 #38
I sat on the jury for the one that was hidden. You know how I voted. It was a ridiculous hide. nt Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #83
Saw that Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #69
Thanks GitRDun Aug 2015 #75
I don't either, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #96
Yeah they definitely don't like to be reminded.. Sorry about your hide.. glad you gave brave a Cha Aug 2015 #115
For What? It makes no sense still_one Aug 2015 #26
See for yourself, I wasn't rude. GitRDun Aug 2015 #54
That hide was ridiculous. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #61
That was a bad hide JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #110
Oh Oh.. you called them all out by name! lol and quite accurately too.. big Cha Aug 2015 #116
There was no calling out, just referring to the dialog that transpired. still_one Aug 2015 #132
Yeah, they couldn't handle that. Do not like to have their words repeated I'm guessing. Cha Aug 2015 #133
That makess no sense at all. Some of these alerts are ridiculous. It really seems that some folks still_one Aug 2015 #131
Ain't that the truth? SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #164
something is seriously wrong with DU when your posts like riversedge Oct 2015 #181
Rewatching the recording cilla4progress Aug 2015 #4
There's another Kos diary being given loving licks all in GD-P right now. Why do I bet that this one Number23 Aug 2015 #6
Here sheshe2 Aug 2015 #10
Juror #6 rocks. n/t gollygee Aug 2015 #15
"Attack against the progressives on DU" Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #17
My head is almost literally spinning. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #19
A person outside a protected group shouldn't be able to alert on a member's post. pnwmom Aug 2015 #72
Why would anyone bother stalking/alerting in safe havens? Don't like the group? Trash it. That's Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #87
Because they've deluded themselves into thinking they can influence the members pnwmom Aug 2015 #88
Well, then they obviously don't know the meaning of "Epic Fail", among other things. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #105
They're taking stuff way too personally gollygee Aug 2015 #134
Hey Tarheel... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #90
I can't help but wonder why they're monitoring this group so heavily. Is it because they know we... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #106
If they've been here long enough JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #112
I'm glad you're monitoring the monitors, but they still have the ability "monitor" & alert stalk.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #146
I think maybe they don't see us as 'real' JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #149
Also, in my opinion, to build the case that people who post in here are troublemakers Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #135
Yes, I just noticed that hides lessen the chance Lisa D Aug 2015 #136
Exactly! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #138
Now it makes much more sense. Thank you. They used to do it to the BOG until most of their..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #147
Because that's not their MO.. and if I said what I Cha Aug 2015 #117
There's no escaping them, not even in the safe havens. I trashed GD-P & the BS Group, but still. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #145
They think they own DU lock, stock and barrel mcar Aug 2015 #150
The system needs fixing, no doubt. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #94
More alert stalking. joshcryer Aug 2015 #130
K & R Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #8
This! This! This! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #12
rec'd tk2kewl Aug 2015 #13
Thanks for the post gwheezie Aug 2015 #16
Can you educate some GOP? Phlem Aug 2015 #20
Why don't you read the article ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #22
Oh No ooooooops. Hell yes I read the article, what's your point? Phlem Aug 2015 #24
Uh, what? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #31
A socialist who believes economic issues trump racial issues ... kwassa Aug 2015 #36
Really. Phlem Aug 2015 #42
I'll try to answer gwheezie Aug 2015 #46
OK Phlem Aug 2015 #48
It is not about you. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #92
This is not the Bernie group. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #62
"The people" don't agree with BLM GitRDun Aug 2015 #27
Really? Phlem Aug 2015 #33
This is the problem with you Bernie folks GitRDun Aug 2015 #40
Oh Ok. Phlem Aug 2015 #44
You have had enough space to make your case here. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #50
Please block me. Phlem Aug 2015 #58
You're welcome. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #60
+10000~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #93
The martyrdom is hilarious honestly kjones Aug 2015 #151
I was just remarking in a PM to another poster in the group here Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #154
They'll still try though kjones Aug 2015 #158
That's what worries me about the Bernie group. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #102
Is it ok retrowire Aug 2015 #21
Huge K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #23
Hey you.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #170
... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #172
YO!, BLM... Raymond82 Aug 2015 #28
Yawn ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #29
Hey! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #32
MIRT, we've got a live one NuclearDem Aug 2015 #35
Please, what is MIRT? SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #43
Malicious Intruder Removal Team. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #45
Thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #52
Been here since 2004, and just hit 10 posts. Hhhhmmmm..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #104
A regular sleeper agent kjones Aug 2015 #152
Thanks! zappaman Aug 2015 #157
Damn. Only made it to 10 posts too. Number23 Aug 2015 #161
I have blocked this person. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #53
I did not know you were a host. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #82
I'm pinch-hitting until bravenak gets back in the game. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #85
Well you sure as hell are doing good!!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #86
Hopefully word will go out. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #95
Ya~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #98
That's great you are hosting in HRC too! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #100
I've used DU as a news source for years arithia Aug 2015 #168
Hey, nice to see you! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #169
You have been kicking major ass. And you're a permanent part of the team, afaic. Number23 Aug 2015 #162
Thank you! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #166
Look who woke up! zappaman Aug 2015 #156
that'll produce ever-tighter ties with the Sanders campaign MisterP Aug 2015 #34
Is it permissible to point out moderates and progressives are actually distinct groups... doxyluv13 Aug 2015 #51
It was hoped you'd overlook that. bvf Aug 2015 #59
Post was right on... onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #127
times have changed Quayblue Aug 2015 #91
No, actually... onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #126
Best post I've read all year! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #139
Dayuum Skippy! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #173
And so we will see the election of a woman who championed a war shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #56
I can only imagine what that must be like. I'm sorry for my country's military adventurism. Many Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #63
President Obama has helped immensely .. I thank Goodness he was elected President at this Cha Aug 2015 #124
I second what Ed Suspicious said Caretha Aug 2015 #78
N/T JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #111
That first image is pretty cheap if you ask me shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #119
You should have taken from it JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #120
Thank you. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #167
I support what BLM does until they do something to only one man/group/candidate AllyCat Aug 2015 #66
That is actually covered in the article Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #71
You have posted an open letter to progressives of which I am one. AllyCat Aug 2015 #80
No, there are no conditions set on #BlackLivesMatter Cha Aug 2015 #118
That's bullshit. Suddenly it's exclusively a progressive thing? notadmblnd Aug 2015 #74
You are posting in the African American Group. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #77
He's blocked. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #81
Hey.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #84
"Neo liberals.." Oh Please.. not that stupid tired refrain. You have no idea what you're talking Cha Aug 2015 #122
I am becoming convinced a large number of Sanders supporters are former Nader supporters... Spazito Aug 2015 #140
Really? I was new to politics then.. Cha Aug 2015 #141
Yep, it was the same then as well... Spazito Aug 2015 #142
ye gods... thanks for the history lesson, Spazito.. i cannot even fathom Cha Aug 2015 #143
Once I realized those railing against 'authoritarian' government by demanding... Spazito Aug 2015 #144
" by demanding... fealty using authoritarian tactics.." Exactly. Cha Aug 2015 #160
Oh, yes they act so much like those Nader supporters, that theyhave to be the same people lunamagica Oct 2015 #182
For Those who Pop up to Lecture AAs and Whine in the AA Forum about AAs: lib87 Aug 2015 #79
Can I join you? Cha Aug 2015 #121
Lol You May! lib87 Aug 2015 #153
It may cost Democrats temporarily. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #89
the Democratic Party will be stronger for #BlackLivesMatter.. no doubt. Cha Aug 2015 #125
+1000 Lisa D Aug 2015 #137
I love my Black Brothers and Sistahs.. but, I do appreciate that they stood in long lines for hours Cha Aug 2015 #97
Thank you Cha! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #99
Right, she.. Starry Messenger and the hosts in AA are doing an awesome job while bravenak's Cha Aug 2015 #101
Kick & Recommended. William769 Aug 2015 #103
K&R Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #108
K&R betsuni Aug 2015 #109
On August 11, a black motorist was pulled over by a white police officer BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #113
Mahalo for that, BRDS. Cha Aug 2015 #123
Thank you for some much needed perspective. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #148
When will people learn? mcar Aug 2015 #155
Hey: we're allowed to have "pep rallies" even if you've convinced yourself we shouldn't. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #128
Kos has been a nexus of anti-BLM hate. joshcryer Aug 2015 #129
Frankly, a good number of the Skidmore Aug 2015 #159
Hey Skidmore sheshe2 Aug 2015 #171
There are lots of Sanders supporters here, josh. You aren't alone Number23 Aug 2015 #163
I know. joshcryer Aug 2015 #165
WOW...your post is very powerful. Unfortunately.... Stellar Oct 2015 #174
;( sheshe2 Oct 2015 #177
It does appear that #BLM has changed its tactics after being criticized for NN15 and the SS event. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #175
Interesting avatar. nt sheshe2 Oct 2015 #178
Its from the Amy Schumer satirical ad from SNL last night. It was funny. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #179
Very fair criticism portlander23 Oct 2015 #176
K&R. Great post lunamagica Oct 2015 #183
KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #184

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. Very brave to post this in AA where any serious rebuttal will get pounded.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:20 PM
Aug 2015

I don't support BLM loudmouth's hijacking Democratic rallies. I resent BLM grandstanders calling progressives white supremacists.

BLM's tactics are the problem. Not me or any other progressive.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
5. You have been informed once already that your intrusion into this group and your offensive
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

comments about #BLM are not welcome or wanted by anyone in this forum. You know, the people who are actually affected by Black Lives Matter.

You are being blocked now.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
68. So progressives are now "moderates"
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:15 PM
Aug 2015

"Moderate" is usually read as "centrist triangulator" in today's politics. The rest of your post seems very ironic.

First, I know what its like to have my life and my livelihood threatened because of my identity. The carnage and the pain is no excuse for sloppy lashing out against some of your best political friends. Furthermore, not only myself but other working-class progressives I know get labeled "toxic" for standing up to racism in the office and the classroom; we're usually the first ones to go in layoffs and otherwise ostracized in office politics.

One of the best, most effective and heartening things the LGBT movement ever did was to vocally recognize that straight people are injured by homophobia. So far, there is little-to-no empathy or solidarity from BLM. No recognition. And that lack of empathy and recognition is now showing up in this fracas about wanting Bernie Sanders to "bow down" to BLM. It reminds me of PTSD sufferers, quite frankly. White people who are closest to blacks in political outlook, nevertheless take on the menacing appearance of dangerous white racists.

As to why BLM supporters think a homophobic spokesperson can carry on without having their views or sincerity challenged, I'll leave that for another thread.

I suggest you look back into your grassroots connections, especially the organizations you associate with, and examine the money. Because George Soros has been a big supporter of the Clintons over the years, going into this election season, and he has already <i>spent tens of millions of dollars on BLM</i> and groups that sprang from it. In this economy, that kind of money coming from well-known backers of Hillary must seem very encouraging indeed to some individuals.

Lastly, if someone commandeers a stage and shoves a Senator who is speaking there, they should expect more than just booing.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
76. ***note to posters***
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:27 PM
Aug 2015

I am blocking people who are attacking the OP and regulars in this forum or others who are not here to respond right now. If the main hosts wish to reinstate any of those blocked posters, that is their decision.

It is your choice to use thoughfulness and tact when posting in a group dealing with minority issues. Or to choose to be pugnacious and snarky to people who deal with oppression. No one is forcing you to post here. Thank you.

Response to Number23 (Reply #5)

Response to pnwmom (Reply #70)

Cha

(295,929 posts)
114. #BlackLivesMatter Protesters and Activists aren't the problem.. it's the ugly
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:42 AM
Aug 2015

reaction to it from so called "liberals", who are sooo busy trying to blame the victim.

And, for what? Because they were "rude to Bernie"? Ohhhhh, do you think he'll ever get over it?

You bet .. he's already changing his tune.. so he listened.. #BlackLivesMatter made a damn good impression on him.. even if BS supporters are sticking their fingers in their ears and trying to shout them down.

murielm99

(30,659 posts)
37. Maybe there will be a fair jury.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:16 PM
Aug 2015

Of course, the chances are slim these days.

Silence anyone who does not treat their candidate with kid gloves.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
49. Sorry,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:35 PM
Aug 2015

I thought I was agreeing.

I'm not in the habit of staying where I am not wanted, though, and would certainly leave if asked by a host, or even if it became obvious that I should from other posters.

I'm idly curious if the reaction is to the single post or if you know me, in the sense of posting history. I don't know yours. If something in my general posting history caused this, I'd be interested in knowing what.

murielm99

(30,659 posts)
55. I don't know your posting history.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

I know how things have been going here lately. There are mass alerts on anyone who dares to be critical of the independent candidate. Sanders supporters can deny it, but it is happening. Our African American members have been hit especially hard.

I am not a host here. I cannot ask you to leave. I can ask you why you responded to my post the way you did. It seemed defensive.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
57. I did not mean it to be defensive.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:44 PM
Aug 2015

I meant it as a statement that I think Bernie can take, and act on criticism. I hope so, anyway.

murielm99

(30,659 posts)
64. Okay.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:02 PM
Aug 2015

I don't want to hijack this thread. I hope all of them can take criticism.

We know Trump can't, but he is fun to poke at.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
11. And that kind of silliness is why I've mostly absented myself
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

of this place after being a member for a dozen years. It's absolute craziness.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
25. I got my first ever hide
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:49 PM
Aug 2015

for calling out how mean spirited the Sanders people were in a thread...it gave bravenak a laugh though...

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
69. Saw that
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:16 PM
Aug 2015

Yours was one of the least offensive ports in that thread.

Just so you know...

Whenever you mention posters by name, there's a good chance that you will get your post hidden. I almost wanted to warn you, but hey...you nailed it.

Welcome to the club.




SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
96. I don't either,
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:03 AM
Aug 2015

but fear of that is called self-censorship. And around here lately, if you don't exercise sufficient self-censorship, you're gone. The jury system is broken. Or maybe it was to begin with.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
115. Yeah they definitely don't like to be reminded.. Sorry about your hide.. glad you gave brave a
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:47 AM
Aug 2015

laugh, though.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
61. That hide was ridiculous.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:53 PM
Aug 2015

Something is seriously broken here.

I've left DU and come back several times. I just love the format so much, but sometimes it's hard getting through the nuts and bolts.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
110. That was a bad hide
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:04 AM
Aug 2015

And you are a Sanders supporter!

Well I welcome you in this group the same as ErichBloodAxe.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
116. Oh Oh.. you called them all out by name! lol and quite accurately too.. big
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:51 AM
Aug 2015

******* NONO!

6-1.. at least someone didn't think it was such a BFD.

still_one

(91,968 posts)
131. That makess no sense at all. Some of these alerts are ridiculous. It really seems that some folks
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:10 AM
Aug 2015

don't seem to grasp what a discussion forum is all about

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
164. Ain't that the truth?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:01 PM
Aug 2015

Let's discuss until you disagree with me or hurt my feelings, however slightly or unintentionally.

cilla4progress

(24,589 posts)
4. Rewatching the recording
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:34 PM
Aug 2015

I feel like the authoritarianism on display is antithetical to my philosophy in any matter. You can be disruptive without being a tyrant

Number23

(24,544 posts)
6. There's another Kos diary being given loving licks all in GD-P right now. Why do I bet that this one
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:43 PM
Aug 2015

wouldn't get the same reaction???

sheshe2

(83,357 posts)
10. Here
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:56 PM
Aug 2015

> Results:
>
>
> On Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
>
> Open letter to progressives: You’re doing it wrong and it’ll cost the Democratic Party
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/118721225
>
> REASON FOR ALERT
>
> This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
>
> ALERTER'S COMMENTS
>
> Attack against the progressives on DU. Over the top, insensitive and unfair.
>
> You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:32 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
>
> BTW: I'm getting hammered on this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7064302
>
> Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
> Explanation: No explanation given
> Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: A reprint and link to Kos. Not hideable.
> Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: Not a fan of using the alert system as a substitute for vigorous debate.
> Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
> Explanation: Broad brush accusation of racism. Hide.
> Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: No explanation given
> Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: Sorry, I don't see an attack anywhere in this well constructed post. If sticking up for blacks who are being killed every day is "insensitive and unfair", then we should all be insensitive and unfair.
>
> I just don't the the rationale behind the alert.
> Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: No explanation given
>
> > Thanks. Let me know. This place has gone to hell.
> >
> > Love you.
> >
> > > Your post in AA on the open letter was alerted on. I was on the jury. Voted Leave It. No results yet,

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
72. A person outside a protected group shouldn't be able to alert on a member's post.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:20 PM
Aug 2015

Especially a post like this one.

And if such "guest alerts" are allowed, then all the jurors should be members of the group.

This is just wrong.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
87. Why would anyone bother stalking/alerting in safe havens? Don't like the group? Trash it. That's
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:41 PM
Aug 2015

what I did with GD-P & the BS Group, and it's made all the difference in my DU experience.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
88. Because they've deluded themselves into thinking they can influence the members
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:42 PM
Aug 2015

of the group, and other viewers of those posts, by their actions.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
134. They're taking stuff way too personally
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:34 AM
Aug 2015

and it seems like they think they can influence the primary election or something.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
106. I can't help but wonder why they're monitoring this group so heavily. Is it because they know we...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:27 AM
Aug 2015

as a people aren't "Feeling The Bern"? Nothing else explains it. And nothing they've said or done has changed anyone's mind. In fact, quite the opposite. Some who were formerly on Team BS or on the fence, have been pushed off. Flagged for review, etc. If the goal is to silence anyone who doesn't kneel at the altar of BS, they need to know that this is not the only site on the web. Discussions are happening all over.

As for recent intruders, I've been here for over a decade, and I've never seen them back here before. Why now?

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
112. If they've been here long enough
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:41 AM
Aug 2015

As for recent intruders, I've been here for over a decade, and I've never seen them back here before. Why now?



And their first posts are to defend Sanders virtue and honor -

Then they are being removed.

If they've been surreptitious over the years - they are being removed too.

We don't like doing it - but it has to be this way.

I also think some of the "then remove me harrumph" posts are to be "cool kids".

Just my opinion as a host.

I'm not giving warnings anymore or being polite and asking people to back away - bring it down.

First - I block them from messaging me.

Second - I remove them from the group.

The block on messaging me is because - I'm not in the mood to debate it. I lived "in step" for six years and my toddler step buddies were easier to communicate with. Even when they were playing knee hockey in the garage and put a puck through my brand new car window - it was easier to explain to a then 6 and 4 year old how their activity was wrong.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
146. I'm glad you're monitoring the monitors, but they still have the ability "monitor" & alert stalk....
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:54 PM
Aug 2015

this group. And I couldn't agree more....none of us is "in the mood".

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
149. I think maybe they don't see us as 'real'
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:04 PM
Aug 2015

IE - we aren't valid because we aren't just like them?

It's easier to attack and demonize people that you perceive as being foreign to your existence. Those who you think are invalid.

It's what many Americans did to President Obama.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
135. Also, in my opinion, to build the case that people who post in here are troublemakers
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015

If you can get a lot of hides and suspensions on people, using the "system", you can just blame the blind eyes of "justice."

The system also prevents people with too many hides from serving on juries more often, hosting in the main forums, and evidently also now boots you off of your group hosting. (So, pretty much just like the US justice system and the racist way it keeps minorities from participating, as a result of over-zealous policing.)

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
136. Yes, I just noticed that hides lessen the chance
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:25 AM
Aug 2015

of jury duty. So it becomes a vicious circle of alert stalking to silence voices and the result is homogenization of the jury pool.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
147. Now it makes much more sense. Thank you. They used to do it to the BOG until most of their.....
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:57 PM
Aug 2015

targets moved on to bigger & better things.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
117. Because that's not their MO.. and if I said what I
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:56 AM
Aug 2015

thought their MO is.. I would be alerted on by them and get a hide.

They wouldn't like what had to say.

So they silence non BS supporters on DU.. BFD.. they think they're winning but they haven't won anything.

#BlackLivesMatter MoFos.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
145. There's no escaping them, not even in the safe havens. I trashed GD-P & the BS Group, but still.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

mcar

(42,210 posts)
150. They think they own DU lock, stock and barrel
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:33 PM
Aug 2015

because their candidate is way ahead in DU polls and they are the majority of posters here.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
130. More alert stalking.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:06 AM
Aug 2015

What the fuck is happening to DU. Please report these fucking dispshit racist alerters.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
20. Can you educate some GOP?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:36 PM
Aug 2015

Please? or Obama, or Loretta Lynch? They have the wheel right now. How is disrupting a candidate with a solid career and history in Civil Rights compared to all other candidates for both parties going to get you closer to what you want?

Seriously! I am genuinely curious. I have black friends and gay friends. What do liberal's need to do?

Personally I think it's racism pure and simple but why would you demean the people who agree with you?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
24. Oh No ooooooops. Hell yes I read the article, what's your point?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:48 PM
Aug 2015

That I don't care about the BLM movement?

The white moderate?

So a Socialist Democrat is a white moderate? Under who's definition yours, cause last I checked Socialists are way fucking to left of moderate.

There is no white moderate anymore. After 30 + years the center has moved to right. When your calling a Socialist a White supremacist the fucking ignorance shows.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
36. A socialist who believes economic issues trump racial issues ...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:13 PM
Aug 2015

that is the perception problem with Bernie. I think he really does believe this, too, but this is not the outlook of most black Americans.

You need to chill, too. This is the African American group, not a forum.

What BLM is really saying is that there is a white supremacist system in place that is being tacitly supported by white liberals who don't actively challenge that system. This can make white liberals, or socialists, or moderates a problem in fighting institutionalized racism in this country.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
42. Really.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:21 PM
Aug 2015

"What BLM is really saying is that there is a white supremacist system in place that is being tacitly supported by white liberals who don't actively challenge that system. This can make white liberals, or socialists, or moderates a problem in fighting institutionalized racism in this country."

And Bernie is not challenging the system?

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
46. I'll try to answer
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:27 PM
Aug 2015

1st I'll start from my opinion this is a white supremacist country. The structure of our country has been set up to give the edge to white folks and white straighr men. I'm not angry about this because I think this is how the world works but we can move forward.
I'm not mad at liberals but I see the effect of liberal policies that have not benefitted PoC, gay and women because look at the state we're in. Yes on paper great strides have been made but in the daily life of people it has not stopped threats on their lives.
I talk to liberals because that's who I know and they are closest to the power to effect change. They vote. They organize. They have some political power. I talk to white liberals because they can identify with me. I'm an old white woman who became politically aware because of Shirley Chisolm but it wasn't until I had a black grandson that I began to understand what kind of special fear there is in raising a black child. He takes after his dad, quiet, good natured, smart but he's also a big kid, he's 10 and already taller than me. His dad is 6'5". And I wish he was a little boy because he thinks like a little boy but every day he looks older than he is even to me. He's been taken for 14_15.
My friends are black and white, most are liberal, my conservative friends are black. A few of my white friends and family are big Bernie supporters. 2 nephews have been to rallys and donate regularly. Both are going to the rally in DC
My black friends generally are not that enthused about anyone running for president. I don't think it's up to them to fix racism so I talk to my white liberal friends because we need to understand issues of the AA community. I think if anyone wants the AA vote, they need to make a convincing case and frankly whether it's Bernie or Hillary or OMalley the people I talk to point to them, all have been politicians for decades and want to know what have they done for me lately. No one is owed the AA vote. White supporters would do well to listen to what people are saying and not be defensive.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
48. OK
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:33 PM
Aug 2015

So I'm the farthest from a white supremacist but I'm just supposed to be OK when I'm called one.

Got it.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
27. "The people" don't agree with BLM
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:58 PM
Aug 2015

not on priorities...definitely not on understanding the pain and anguish caused by those differences in priority.

BLM & the Sanders campaign are not allies. Bernie is beginning to try though, kudos to him.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
33. Really?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:06 PM
Aug 2015
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/bernie-sanders-hires-black-organizer-press

He's just racist for hiring her even though she reached out to him.

Plus he has an established clear very consistent record as a champion of civil for 40 + years. Look it up, I'm not doing all the legwork for you.

And he's a white supremacist?

my word.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
40. This is the problem with you Bernie folks
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:20 PM
Aug 2015

Your so thin skinned you didn't even read my post. I never said Bernie or anyone else was a racist.

I said the Sanders campaign and BLM WERE NOT ALLIES. There's a great thread out there today on what makes an alliance. It's worth a read.

If that's too much work for you, I would suggest you close your eyes, click your heels together three times saying, "There's no place like home! There's no place like home! There's no place like home!".

When you open up your eyes, you'll be back home in the Bernie Group where its all flowers, moon beams and people just......like....you!

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
44. Oh Ok.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:24 PM
Aug 2015

That just clears everything up.

"Your so thin skinned you didn't even read my post. I never said Bernie or anyone else was a racist." No BLM did.

Thin skinned, as if you know me. But go ahead keep making assumptions.

"When you open up your eyes, you'll be back home in the Bernie Group where its all flowers, moon beams and people just......like....you!"

Why thank you for the specifics and facts.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
50. You have had enough space to make your case here.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015

This group is for African-Americans and allies. There are plenty of other discussions like you are having on GD. This is your first and last warning--if you post in here again, I will block you. Thanks.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
151. The martyrdom is hilarious honestly
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:33 PM
Aug 2015

I think you should make one of them a host or something
so they can take care of blocking themselves. It must
get tiresome dealing with it. At least then they could
do the work of building their own crosses.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
154. I was just remarking in a PM to another poster in the group here
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:41 PM
Aug 2015

There's probably no way to make yourself look cool and rebellious from being blocked from the African-American group. That would be a challenge.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
21. Is it ok
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:39 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:30 PM - Edit history (1)

to support BLM but not support the actions of those two women from that rally?

Because I agree with everything BLM stands for and do stand in solidarity with all of it, except for insulting potential allies with slurs like "white supremacists".

EDIT: I had a feeling no one would answer this question. I'm only seeking clarity.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
152. A regular sleeper agent
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:37 PM
Aug 2015

It's a shame people don't put as much effort and patience
into improving the world that they do into skulking around
internet forums.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
53. I have blocked this person.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:38 PM
Aug 2015

I didn't think he was going to be around long enough for us to get attached to him. He won't be answering.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
95. Hopefully word will go out.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:58 PM
Aug 2015

There are eleventy-billion places on the internet to air one's opinion on BLM--it would be nice to have one garden patch to support Black women and activists.

sheshe2

(83,357 posts)
98. Ya~
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:11 AM
Aug 2015

Lol~ I host at the BOG, I love my President. I do. He has been called a POS. A TROJAN HORSE. WORSE THAN BUSH!!! Those posts stand and go to the top of the page. Dis Bernie you get a hide.

Now host at the Hillary group as well. Yikes!

Thank you Starry Messenger.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
100. That's great you are hosting in HRC too!
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:21 AM
Aug 2015

This group got a lot of attention all of a sudden. I wish all of the new readers in here would read a lot of the posts going back years. There's a rich resource to learn from here.

arithia

(455 posts)
168. I've used DU as a news source for years
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:47 PM
Aug 2015

but completely avoided joining discussions due to the undercurrent of racism and sexism. As a disabled LGTB woman, I've had enough punches thrown at me in my life that I didn't want to deal with it here, too.

This group (and the regulars posting here) made me change my mind. I have seen more thoughtful discussion here in the last few days than I have in months of clicking on "general" links that floated to the front page. I will be taking you up on the advice to read the old logs.

Thank you to the moderators and to the contributors here. You do good work. I'm sorry that people are trying to silence it out of fear and ignorance. :/

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
169. Hey, nice to see you!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:54 PM
Aug 2015

I think this is one of the smartest groups on DU, and maybe even the web, talking general political blogs.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. that'll produce ever-tighter ties with the Sanders campaign
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:07 PM
Aug 2015

and more people pointing out that he's been on this before even Ferguson

doxyluv13

(247 posts)
51. Is it permissible to point out moderates and progressives are actually distinct groups...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015

….so your King quote means the opposite of what you think it does?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
59. It was hoped you'd overlook that.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:47 PM
Aug 2015

This isn't the first time that that particular quote has been disingenuously forwarded on DU. Rest assured it won't be the last.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
127. Post was right on...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:42 AM
Aug 2015

Quote was right on...if you didn't feel it...maybe you're in the wrong group.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
91. times have changed
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:52 PM
Aug 2015

And I think every and any one who reads about the moderate MLK refers to is well aware of how it applies today.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
126. No, actually...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:40 AM
Aug 2015

See, actually what you don't get is that WE understand what she meant when she posted it. So, it is relevant to the discussion at hand. But, this is a good example of privilege. You were so sure that you had a better understanding of the definition of a word (Wow!)...that apparently, it never occurred to you that the poster was expressing a feeling that could extend beyond the definitions of moderate and progressives.

The others on the board, picked up on the feeling. Her King quote is perfect for the group. Actually, your post is perfect for the group, also. Because it is a perfect example of the problem. With all the angst going on, on DU, you took the time to step into the AA group to give one of our posters a lesson in grammar...or so you thought.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
56. And so we will see the election of a woman who championed a war
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:43 PM
Aug 2015

that killed a million of my Arab brothers and sisters. That happily sold cluster munitions to Israel that continue to blow the legs off Lebanese children on a weekly basis. That threatened to annihilate Iran. That supported Barry Goldwater when he threatened to use atomic weapons against the people of Vietnam.

A venal, corrupt woman who can't resist tapping her foot when the war drums start pounding, and who will approve the next war, sporting her best steel-eyed, flinty-chinned Maggie Thatcher pose, for fear of looking weak to the folks back home.

Whatever the "process" is, however many bullshit TV ads she will run with shiny happy multiracial people in them, that will be the outcome.

And yet I am told, as a non-American, that I have no skin in the game. And even worse, that this perversion of logic is somehow meant to advance the interests of "people of colour"? Because apparently she's going to employ some black people on her staff?

What a macabre circus this must seem to America's victims around the world, to the mothers of agent orange babies in Vietnam as they suck their food through straws.

Venal. Corrupt. Shameful.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
63. I can only imagine what that must be like. I'm sorry for my country's military adventurism. Many
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

of us don't really know how to end that. We are a country with a government infested with jingoism.

I think the candidate I support can help, but I thought the last guy could help as well so I really don't know.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
124. President Obama has helped immensely .. I thank Goodness he was elected President at this
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:20 AM
Aug 2015

time in history.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
78. I second what Ed Suspicious said
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:29 PM
Aug 2015

I've no words to convey how sorry I am for this whole fucking criminal offense. I "hoped" on the last man we elected too. I have no idea if we can even elect anyone that can set us on the right path again here.

I can not take away any of your pain, but I can see and feel it with my eyes wide open.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
111. N/T
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:19 AM
Aug 2015



Emmett Till - a hard image - but so was yours. It's from a newspaper article. My mom still has a preserved copy for a La Jolla paper. It's in the public domain.




I've got to put my oxygen mask on first - Little Pup
?1413052387

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
119. That first image is pretty cheap if you ask me
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:03 AM
Aug 2015

I had a personal friend killed cleaning up unexploded submunitions in Lebanon (I posted about him in the I/P forum). Submunitions from a cluster bomb that was dropped by Israel in the 2006 Lebanon war and supplied to Israel by the United States.

The message I get from that first image is that I'm hyperventilating or that I need to take a chill pill. I don't particularly appreciate it.

Its not a league table of suffering contest, for fucks sake. You can actually acknowledge other people's suffering without it diminishing your own.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
120. You should have taken from it
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:12 AM
Aug 2015

African Americans are putting the oxygen masks on ourselves first.

No one in the 'great big world' has one fuck to give about us or they would have gone to the UN demanding sanctions like say - oh right around the time Emmett Till got murdered.


Take from it what you will - but I've got the oxygen mask on myself first.

And take this - some of the defense of BLM from black Americans - is because screaming, shouting, yelling, hands up - don't shoot -

It's long overdue.

We've been patient, kind, nice and waiting - no more!

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
167. Thank you.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:16 PM
Aug 2015

And thank Mamie Till. (Even though, as you say, her decision did not have the magnitude of effect it should have had in a rational world.)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/till/peopleevents/p_parents.html

AllyCat

(16,039 posts)
66. I support what BLM does until they do something to only one man/group/candidate
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:09 PM
Aug 2015

And no one else. What BLM is saying is so important, it needs to go everywhere. When they only shout to one man and then shut him down....that's where I wonder what is going on.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
71. That is actually covered in the article
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:19 PM
Aug 2015

This is a protected group, FYI. The discussion about whether BLM did things according to how a candidate's supporters would approve is going on plenty of other places on DU. I'm going to ask you to please keep that discussion out of the African-American group for now. Thank you.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
74. That's bullshit. Suddenly it's exclusively a progressive thing?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:22 PM
Aug 2015

Progressive Democrats have not historically garnered the black vote in this country in fact they garner almost no votes. Blacks vote for Democrats. Neo liberals to be specific- So it hasn't been progressives pandering to blacks all these years or ignoring black issues that has been the problem. Progressive democrats as a voting block in this country has less power than minorities. So don't come here posting your little signs blaming all AA issues it on progressives.

If you really intend to keep it real- put the blame where it belongs. Oh that's right posting anti Democratic post here is a TOS violation

BTW- Senator Sanders is not a progressive democrat- he is a Democratic Socialist.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
81. He's blocked.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:34 PM
Aug 2015

Sorry sheshe, my DU is loading slowly and it takes me awhile to get down to the end of threads for some reason. I have also blocked Ed Suspicious and cprise as of 8:30 pm.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
122. "Neo liberals.." Oh Please.. not that stupid tired refrain. You have no idea what you're talking
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:14 AM
Aug 2015

about.

This is about #BlackLivesMatter. not Bernie.. not Democratic Socialists.. #BlackLivesMatter.. get it?

They are what matter.. not you and the many ways you're offended by how Africans Americans feel about "progressives".

Spazito

(49,784 posts)
140. I am becoming convinced a large number of Sanders supporters are former Nader supporters...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:47 AM
Aug 2015

The tactics are the same, the vitriol is the same and Nader was/is no progressive in my judgment.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
141. Really? I was new to politics then..
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:04 AM
Aug 2015

I had no clue.. what that was about. Just that I was for Gore.

I had no idea they would help **** up America for 8 years.

I know they're the same faction that insisted President Obama's "feet be held to the fire" for 7 years.. but, now their Bernie cannot even be questioned.. he's exempt.

Ha!

Spazito

(49,784 posts)
142. Yep, it was the same then as well...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:13 AM
Aug 2015

Nader was touted as 'the second coming of Christ' and criticism was not to be tolerated. Absolutism at it's worst, imo.

His past actions were constantly thrown up as evidence he would the the 'best' for current issues even though his actions were from years before and little done since then.

Spazito

(49,784 posts)
144. Once I realized those railing against 'authoritarian' government by demanding...
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:36 AM
Aug 2015

fealty using authoritarian tactics, I knew the cause being touted wasn't one to which I could subscribe then or now.

It is a mind boggling mindset for sure.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
182. Oh, yes they act so much like those Nader supporters, that theyhave to be the same people
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

"There's no difference between Bush and Gore"...

Look where that got us.

"There's no difference between Jeb and Hillary"

It's like a bad dream....

lib87

(535 posts)
153. Lol You May!
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:39 PM
Aug 2015

We'll at least have some good music playing in the background when we all read those "well what about my feelings?!" members insert themselves into a discussion.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
89. It may cost Democrats temporarily.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:45 PM
Aug 2015

But in the long term, I think the party will be stronger. I've openly stated that progressives will never be happy in the Democratic Party, and it's becoming more and more obvious they are not. This #BLM series of events has only excentuated this. They need to leave and go and form their own party.

Is there any doubt that if Secretary Clinton wins the nomination and the WH that these same progressives and Sanders supporters will give her grief, just as they currently say untoward things about President Obama? The Party doesn't need that for another 4 to 8 years, and so it's time to part ways. Doing their own thing would be the best thing they could do. We can win without them, of that I have no doubt.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
125. the Democratic Party will be stronger for #BlackLivesMatter.. no doubt.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:34 AM
Aug 2015

As for so called "progressives".. not sure about them.

They've whined about President Obama for 7 years and counting.. this successful and popular accomplished President. Who has made a lot of Progress. He was making Progress while they were whining on the net.

They wanted "his feet held to the fire"! but, question Bernie about anything and it's Back off.. he can't take it.

BS wanted him Primaried in 2012.. said "millions were disappointed with him because of .. social security blah blah.

Not true.. Millions Appreciate Obama and elected him for his second term.. and I thank African Americans standing in Long Lines for hours.. helping us out with that!

I've seen "progressives" on here bragging about not even voting or excusing those who say it. Well, they're no help to our Democracy. It's all about them. Newsfuckingflash.. it's not about them and their little feet stamping tantrums.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
97. I love my Black Brothers and Sistahs.. but, I do appreciate that they stood in long lines for hours
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:11 AM
Aug 2015

to vote for then Senator Obama and President Obama!

They have helped our Democracy so much.. and a large segment of the "progressives" are crapping all over them.

But, I'm betting there are even more who Love And Appreciate them. #BlackLivesMatter

"If you support Black Lives Matter activists up until they do something you don’t agree with, then you were never really in solidarity. If you support the Black Lives Matter movement but have never done anything to challenge systems of privilege and power, then you aren’t actually an ally. You are part of the problem."

I'm sure the Alert POlice wanted this shut down, too.. looks like they lost this time.



Thank you for the OP, she.. with Martin Luther King's Compelling quote!

sheshe2

(83,357 posts)
99. Thank you Cha!
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:18 AM
Aug 2015

I love your support.

Yup....they lost on this one. They did not shut it down.

As for Starry Messenger, hello~ they are doing an awesome job hosting this place. They are helping in bravenaks absence. Damn good job!!!!

Cha

(295,929 posts)
101. Right, she.. Starry Messenger and the hosts in AA are doing an awesome job while bravenak's
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:26 AM
Aug 2015

voice has been silenced.

But, it won't be silenced forever.. they don't like it that BS gets interrupted but they'll silence anyone who disagrees with Them. Some of the biggest hypocrites roaming the net.

BumRushDaShow

(127,331 posts)
113. On August 11, a black motorist was pulled over by a white police officer
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:58 AM
Aug 2015

The place? Los Angeles. The year? 1965





And the eventual confrontation lead to the Watts Riots - 50 years ago today. A neighborhood destroyed and a people who continue to watch history repeat itself over and over and over like broken record.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
128. Hey: we're allowed to have "pep rallies" even if you've convinced yourself we shouldn't.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:57 AM
Aug 2015

Deal with it.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
129. Kos has been a nexus of anti-BLM hate.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:05 AM
Aug 2015

For what.

I feel completely alienated being a Sanders supporter. Even Reddit had a racist meltdown over it. It sickens me.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
159. Frankly, a good number of the
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:57 PM
Aug 2015

Sanders supporters are causing me to doubt how far to the left they actually are. I don't know who I'm going to caucus for in February at this point. Supporters are as much a reflection of a candidate as the candidate is of him/herself. I'll need some serious convincing to get to the point where I feel the Bern. It's nauseating.

sheshe2

(83,357 posts)
171. Hey Skidmore
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:35 AM
Aug 2015

Thank you for being on that jury.

This is the truth...

Supporters are as much a reflection of a candidate as the candidate is of him/herself.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
163. There are lots of Sanders supporters here, josh. You aren't alone
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

We don't care who someone supports in this forum. All we ask is that posters here show some respect for our rights and causes.

Apparently that's too much for some Sanders supporters (see our Blocked Members list. We have blocked more people in the last 2 days than in the last nearly FOUR YEARS) but I know that won't be a problem for you.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
165. I know.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:06 PM
Aug 2015

I've put so many on ignore I don't want to post in the Sanders group because I can't defend myself if I get attacked (usually people putting words in my mouth).

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
174. WOW...your post is very powerful. Unfortunately....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

I'm not sure that a Sanders supporter will ever understand what you are saying, or don't want to understand.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
175. It does appear that #BLM has changed its tactics after being criticized for NN15 and the SS event.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:11 AM
Oct 2015

It looks like we're learning to communicate to one another better.
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