hate

[heaven05]

On this Sunday morning of which the most segregated hour or two or three happens, depending on where one might worship a "loving" Christian God, I ask a simple question:
Why are black people so hated and/or feared in this country?

[merrily]

3. You can't do certain things to people unless you-dehumanize them in your head or someone has

de-humanized them for you and you buy into it.

Also, every asshat needs someone to look down on in order to convince himself he's superior to someone. (Despite use of the male pronouns, that applies to women, too.)

And, if you have no reason to look down, you just make them up.

ETA; Much like Mr. and Ms. name auto-removed.

[2naSalit]

15. ^^THIS^^

[JustAnotherGen]

4. We zap bigots that invade DU?

Trying to get them off your b*lls and onto my ovaries.

I've little tolerance for intruders that harass our older members.

[merrily]

5. In the words of the great Groucho Marx: "I soitenly hope so."

[JustAnotherGen]

7. The guy is an idiot

There isn't a lot of traffic on Sunday mornings - so it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[merrily]

8. One definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result.

Perhaps name auto-removed doesn't get that.

Pathetic.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. And he did it again

I'm on MIRT.

This is too easy! I didn't even look at his links. Poor guy - all that work and research and I zapped on subject line alone!

[merrily]

11. So far, the only thing I saw was his or her reply to me, but that was enough to ID the type.

Lower than whale turd.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. We are going to UU Service in a few minutes

I hope he goes and gets right with the Spirit ths morning too. He desperately needs a healthy dose of Humanism.

[merrily]

13. Clearly, he or she has way too much time on his or her hands, but little intelligence.

No worries. No DUer is going to buy what he or she is so desperately trying to sell.

[heaven05]

14. Wow

I wish I could have read name removed so I could at least have had a good laugh..... Thanks..

[merrily]

16. You probably would not have laughed. name removed was way too low level

to generate laughter.

Trust me, no need for regret missing the posts. Unless you are attached to using the puke emote.

[heaven05]

17. thanks, must have been pretty low

for name removed.

[merrily]

19. DU faithfully and quickly took out the trash.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I say this with all due respect

Don't pick on the old man! I also have an amazing thread I saved that has the experiences of DUers who were children durin WW II. Don't mess with them. Just don't do it. Those (since this is the AA group) are the people who assume that being a Democratic Party member means you are 100% pro civil rights.

They are shocked (from some of the pm's I've received over years) and saddened by recent events.

[Scootaloo]

27. Depends on who they're bigoted against, sadly n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

28. If you saw what was posted in this thread on Sunday

It would have been obvious. Direct attack from Storm Front. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[Flatulo]

20. In response to the OP... I'll hazard a guess...

I think that a very large proportion of white America has been segregated from their black fellow citizens. At work, at home, in the neighborhood - too many whites just haven't come to know blacks as fellow human beings. They think in terms of stereotypes - mostly negative - that they've been bombarded with their whole lives. Single moms, welfare queens, gangsta youth - that's the overarching image.

I only know one black fellow well enough to call a good friend, and I've been alive a fairly long time. My community is probably 98% white. Our schools have just a handful of people of color, and as more Indian and Pakistani families settle in town, the African-American families are becoming a smaller and smaller minority.

White flight from the urban areas has only exacerbated this long-running trend towards greater segregation.

I think blacks and whites have to be on equal economic footing for this to dissipate. Black families need to acquire real middle-class wealth, which requires that there be good-paying jobs available, which also require that there be good educational opportunities.

I'm not very hopeful that we're making much progress in any of these areas. The global financial crisis has hurt blacks the worst, and only increased the amount of ground that needs to be made up.

Anyone care to share their thoughts on this?

[heaven05]

21. has merit

as cause(s)(stereotyping being an important cause=Reagan&RW racist radio and television) of the recent stratified nature of our culture in regard to original racial groups. I find Pakistanis and a lot of Indians don't really want to associate with black people also. Just my experience. I agree with your economic analysis 100%

[Flatulo]

23. The Indians and Pakistanis that come to America tend to be of the professional class;

Doctors, engineers, scientists, managers. In what used to be (and may still be) their culture, people of different socioeconomic classes don't mix. I suspect they wouldn't have any difficulty mingling with black professional people.

I used to have an Indian manager, and while he could be a charming guy, he did seem to be quite an elitist.

The best manager I ever had in 35 years was a black gentleman named Cliff who came up through the engineering ranks at DEC, which was a great EEO company. This man was a genius at conflict resolution, and was a damn good engineer, too. Tragically, he died in in early fifties from cancer, and came to work everyday up until his final week. He called me from his deathbed to get updated on our work and offer some final advice. This was the first, last and only black supervisor I ever had, and he was one in a million. And I'm not just saying that to be polite in the AfAm group.

[heaven05]

24. sincerity noted

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Thank you for this. N/t

[kwassa]

22. My Sunday morning isn't segregated.

My Episcopal church is wildly diverse. Traditionally a very white establishment church, immigration, plus a local African-American presence, has made it a thriving and wonderfully diverse place.

Any country that was a former British colony has an Anglican church presence, and when they immigrate to the US, they head for the Episcopal Church. People of color from the Caribbean, Africa, India, and other places all end up in the church.

Here is an unusual metric: I am a white male married to a black female. I run across other couples like this from time to time. In this church of about 300 parishioners, there are seven other white male/black female families. All kinds of other combinations, too.

[heaven05]

25. good to hear

I went to an Episcopal church, once, pretty staid. But that was 40 years ago.

[brush]

26. A question a little off topic

How different is the Episcopal service from Anglican?

[kwassa]

30. There may be no difference

It depends on the church. Those that self-identify as Anglican in the US are part of a conservative break-away movement that covers about 10% of the church. Overall, the Episcopal church is liberal, with the Washington diocese that I am in is very liberal. We have gay clergy everywhere, and marry same-sex couples.

There is a Rite 1 and Rite 2 in each Book of Common Prayer, the first more formal and traditional, the second more modern, but generally both services are offered in each church.

[brush]

31. Thanks for the info, kwassa. nt

[lovemydog]

32. I grew up in an integrated neighborhood

near Washington, DC. Then moved in high school to a suburb of Detroit where it was segregated. My family would often go downtown, but some of the families who had been segregated for a while were afraid to go downtown and hadn't been much around black people. Later as an adult I lived downtown in a building that was around 90% black. As a white guy, I felt comfortable and I think some of that comfort was because we were all doing well.

Maybe skin color becomes less of an issue when you live around others who are also happy & doing well and you have daily contact with different types of people. You're less likely to blame others and you don't blame someone with whom you've shared meals or who helped you fix a flat tire or dated. You kind of take it for granted that we're people sharing the same often difficult planet. Maybe you see differences as beautiful.

Here in New Mexico, where I'm a sort of minority (the majority is Latino, Mexican & Native American) it's pretty similar. The neighborhoods where there's more integration & better education, people are less likely to talk or act bad towards those who have different skin color because they don't feel that way. There can more 'otherness' in areas where it's segregated.

I don't like to generalize. Just thought I'd share some of my experience in case anyone can relate or share differing experiences.