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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:15 AM

 

F-15E Strike Eagles unable to shoot down the F-35s in 8 dogfights during simulated deployment



(Crossposted from GD)

The U.S. Air Force F-35A fleet continues to work to declare the Lightning II IOC (initial operational capability) scheduled in the August – December timeframe. Among the activities carried out in the past weeks, a simulated deployment provided important feedbacks about the goal of demonstrating the F-35’s ability to “penetrate areas with developed air defenses, provide close air support to ground troops and be readily deployable to conflict theaters.” Seven F-35s deployed from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, to Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, to carry out a series of operational tests which involved local-based 4th Generation F-15E Strike Eagles belonging to the 366th Fighter Wing.

In a Q&A posted on the USAF website, Col. David Chace, the F-35 systems management office chief and lead for F-35 operational requirements at ACC, provided some insights about the activities carried out during the second simulated deployment to Mountain Home (the first was in February this year): “The F-35 recently deployed from Hill to Mountain Home where crews, maintenance and support personnel conducted a number of missions. During that deployment, crews attained a 100 percent sortie generation rate with 88 of 88 planned sorties and a 94 percent hit rate with 15 of 16 bombs on target These numbers provide a positive indication of where we are when it comes to stability and component performance.”

“Feedback from the events at Mountain Home will feed into the overall evaluation of F-35 capabilities. The second evaluation will take place in the operational test environment with F-35 mission sets the Air Force intends to execute after IOC. All reports will be delivered in July and feed into the overall F-35 capabilities report. The ultimate goal is to provide a needed capability to the warfighter to execute the mission. It is not calendar-based or event-based.” “The feedback from unit operators in place today has been very positive for the F-35, not just concerning performance but the ability the aircraft has with other platforms. In particular at Hill, integration with the F-15E (Strike Eagle) has gone very well. We’ve also been demonstrating the ability to put bombs on target. All of that information will be provided to us in the formal IOC readiness assessments.”

The following interesting chart accompanies the Q&A. It shows some stats about the deployment.



The fourth column shows something interesting: during the exercise, the F-35s were challenged by some F-15Es and suffered no losses. Even though the graphic does not say whether the F-35s did shoot back at the F-15Es some analysts (noticing also the “pew pew pew” in the chart….) have suggested the JSFs achieved stunning 8:0 kill rate against the Strike Eagle.

However, the “zero losses” may simply mean that the F-35s were able to complete their assigned strikes without being shot down by the aggressors of the Red Air: considered that the F-15Es were probably equipped with the AN/APG-82 AESA radar and the Sniper ATP (Advanced Targeting Pod), the fact that the Strike Eagles performing DCA (Defensive Counter Air) were not able to “find” and/or “engage” the almost-IOC F-35s can be considered a huge achievement for the pricey, troubled 5th generation multirole combat plane.

Complete articled at: https://theaviationist.com/2016/06/27/f-15e-strike-eagles-unable-to-shoot-down-the-f-35s-in-8-dogfights-during-simulated-deployment/

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Reply F-15E Strike Eagles unable to shoot down the F-35s in 8 dogfights during simulated deployment (Original post)
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Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #2
leveymg Jun 2016 #3
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mitch96 Jun 2016 #5

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:33 AM

1. But if we can't afford to educate our children, heal our sick or care for our elderly ...

 

... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:44 AM

2. It still cannot fly in the rain nor out-fly the planes it is supposed to replace.

Our entire defensive and attack air fleet is to be made up exclusively of this bloated pathetic over complicated excuse of an aircraft, and the price of servicing them all is beyond words. The only way to afford them is to take over at least 1/3 of the countries in the world and divert their cash flow.

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:02 AM

3. The fact that the kill rates on both sides was obscured tells us everything

The F-15E is not optimized for air superiority. It's a 1970s platform that's been upgraded into a capable multi-purpose fighter-bomber. It's closest adversary is the SU27/34. In clear blue sky dogfighting, as well as all-weather missions, the F-35 is not a winner.

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:18 AM

4. Is the F-35 cannon even operational?

The hardware and supporting software being developed is still, 2 years out (unless they sped up the timeline).

Can't believe they are shipping a plane to customers that is far from finished.

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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:48 AM

5. Test biased?

Of course it did..
Cause if it didn't, it would be very obvious that the Gub'ment pissed away a lot of money on the military industrial complex...
So was the test squeed so the advantage was for the F-35 to win?? What if it was tilted towards the F-15??
How about testing it against some soviet and Chinese fighters... Hell they are for sale CHEAP!
Long live the A-10 !!

Let the conspiracy theory's begin!!!!

mitch

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