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http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-homicide-victim-killed-in-self-defense/nSkSf/By Alexis Stevens
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
A 22-year-old Gwinnett County man who was shot to death at a neighborhood park was killed in self-defense, police said Monday.
Rashad Jones was found shot to death Tuesday night near the tennis courts in the River Stone neighborhood, located at Bridge Walk Drive and Oak Road, near Lawrenceville and Ronald Reagan Parkway, according to Gwinnett police.
Investigators previously said the shooting was the result of a rip-off scam gone bad. Neither Jones nor the alleged shooter lived in the neighborhood, which neighbors said is frequented by non-residents who treat the sports courts as though they were part of a public park.
But police now believe Jones, who was found with an unloaded gun, was the aggressor and that the shooter, whose name was not released, acted in self-defense, according to Cpl. Jake Smith.
No charges will be filed in the shooting death, Smith said.
Aren't we told here, with some frequency, that no-one needs to be able to defend themselves in public parks? I wonder what this man did that he so enraged someone as to entice them to attack with a lethal weapon in such a peaceful place?
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graham4anything
(11,464 posts)to protect our children outside.
I do think of children killed with legal guns.
I think of the parents of poor Trey, who was executed by a coward named Zimmerman who stalked and in cold blood murdered Trey.
because of legal guns, no one knows which outside guns are illegal or legal.
get all of them off the street.
(btw-another person killed who didn't have a loaded gun in the example above.)
peace and love always.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... but "we must keep all legal guns inside"
Did your Mother NEVER teach you NOT to fire guns indoors? It frightens the cats.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... the lives of the people to whom I am responsible to protect. In the off chance that you ever have anyone to whom you have a duty to protect, I suggest you take steps to do so.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)how can one have a good time in their life, if you are looking over your shoulder in fear of someone attacking you 24/7/365
it is the gun that keeps you in prison
that person walking toward you on a dark street just wants to return your wallet that you mistakenly forgot in the restaurant you left it in
release the blinders.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... I would never leave my wallet in a restaurant.
And I have a GREAT time with my life, thank you very much.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... it's just too embarrassing when the cleaners find him.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)
ileus
(15,396 posts)Kids and my neighbors kids without any problem. 10 round bales behind the house all in a row the one kid runs from end to end while the others grab and try and pull him/her down. I run back and fourth pulled down to the ground all with my SR22 on my side. One hell of a fun time with 5 of the neighbors kids and my two. Loads of fun...I'm the only one of the 7 other parents that will engage in the rough play (7 kids total from three neighbors). I have to admit however about 50% of the time while at home I don't carry.
Having a personal safety device on your side really isn't that troublesome...there's less of a chance of breaking my EDC than my cell that resides on my other hip.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... is the matron pretty?
derby378
(30,252 posts)"We're born in a prison, we live in a prison, we go to a prison called schoooooool..."
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)The criminal wanted to project lethal intent and fully succeeded and obtained a fitting reward.
I see no problem there. Your sly insinuation is the vile item here. Trying to project the defensive shooter in this case as equivalent to a criminal is quite unwarranted. Take that shit elsewhere.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Then there will be no need so self defense firearms. Until then it is incumbent on society to allow parents the tools needed to protect their children, including must issue CCW.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)do you really think that criminals will obey and law that forbids guns outside of the home?
Hell, do you really think that criminals will obey any gun laws?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)to get rid of the criminals guns, you need to get rid of all legal guns from the streets
then the rest is easy
much like an older police chief in NYC got rid of the violent crime by systematically removing lesser crime from the street
it worked.
NYC is now one of the safest cities ever.
BTW-it is atrocious when the media calls someone an "animal"
the animals are the Zimmerman's who think they are judge/jury/execution with no legal right to stalk innocent unarmed kids
for miles and then cowardly shoot them and say it was self defense
self defense my ass
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Do you really think that criminals will obey ANY gun laws?
Just a simple yes or no.
Why do I worry about criminals? Are you for real? Even when I'm not on the job, I worry about criminals, which many, many are animals, actually worse than animals.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Really? Cite your stats.
for miles and then cowardly shoot them and say it was self defense
Whatever anyone's thoughts on Zimmerman, you are not being accurate, and that only detracts from any point you are trying to make (in theis case, equate lawful gun carriers with criminals and possible criminals). The rest of your claims are yet to be proven.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I'll pose it to you
Do you really believe that any criminal will obey any law that forbids guns outside of the home?
For that matter, will criminals obey any gun law?
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Sure! and not only that....good gun control laws can help us find them.
Edir- and extend their time in jail.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)how would good gun control laws help us find criminals?
Criminals don't care about gun laws, you can pass all the laws in the world, it won't make a difference to a criminal, the only ones affected are going to be the law abiding citizen who will generally obey laws.
Now I do agree with extending jail time for the use of a gun in a crime, I think doubling the sentence is reasonable.
BTW, thanks for answering, can't get G4A to answer that simple question, all he does is launch into an incoherent diatribe that makes no sense whatsoever. 
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)....instances where wanted criminals, who are stupid enough to break the law, who are stupid enough to try to legally buy a gun.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)unfortunately the ATF doesn't seem to want to prosecute these cases. Better enforcement of current laws by the Feds would be a huge help.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)'Auomatic weapons used in the tragic multiple killings in Virginia, Colorado, or Arizona in recent years" were not used in those states?
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Automatic weapons were not used, those are tightly controlled. An automatic weapon is a select fire weapon or a machine gun, neither of which was used. In the CO. shooting, the semi auto AR-15 he used jammed because of the 100 rnd. mag which jammed after just a few rnds. fired, which those hi cap mags are prone to do, most of the damage was done with the shotgun.
In AZ, it was a semi auto hand gun and once again, it jammed because of the extended mag, which they are prone to do, in VA, Cho used a semi auto hand gun with several 10 rnd mags, he didn't have any hi cap mags.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)...on extended and hi-cap mags.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)in the VT shooting, Cho didn't have extended or hi cap mags, he had 10 rnd. mags, which, BTW, was part of the AWB in 94, no new mags more than 10 rnds. could be manufactured for civilian use.
As a police officer, my duty weapon, a G21, has a standard mag capacity of 13 rounds, why shouldn't civilians be afforded the same as an LEO? I'm no better than the law abiding citizen.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... of places where we are told "no decent person would carry to defend themselves"
.. schools, hospitals, public buildings, movie theatres, place of worship ... ad infinitum
Is it ironic or just coincidental that every place listed has, at one time or another, been the scene of mass-shooting.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)ban the legal gun from being outside, put more security in place, and voila, no guns inside the perimeter, and everyone is safe in a school, hospiital, public building, movie theatres, places of worship(where a meek kind wonderful man was assasssinated in the name of life), ad infinitum
irony?
hardly
it's the gun(as Bill Clinton would say, add the last word) LOL
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Are you recommending TSA-style security for EVERY single possible place of public gathering? Good idea, it will create lots of minimum wage jobs and could never impact our freedoms.
We all know that "No Gun Zones" are a deterrent to violent criminals.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I would figure the only ones who wouldn't want security would be the ones who later do
things they shouldn't.
one idiot with a legal gun in a plane at 30,000 feet would put a hole in the plane and it would crash. yeah, brilliant!!!
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)You watch too many movies -- obviously.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Physics isn't one of your better subjects is it?
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)and I can authoritatively say that your claim is utter rubbish.
Seriously, you can actually look this stuff up before you post, you obviously have access to the internet.
If airline passengers were allowed to fly armed, it's possible we might not be trying to replace some buildings in NYC today.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)All in the Family episode where they are talking about airliner hijackings and Archie's solution is to arm the passengers. He said the airlines could issue the handguns as people were boarding and recover them as the passengers deplane.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)...as I'd be more comfortable and safer with a weapon I'm best trained on. But I'm experienced enough to use anything they'd sign over to me.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)You are clearly just as uninformed on aerospace, avionics and aerodynamics as you are on firearms, that is to say totally.
Too many movies and not the right ones.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Well, maybe not yours, but if you would have done a little research before you posted, you wouldn't look so foolish. A bullet hole in an aircraft will most certainly NOT cause an airliner to crash.
57_TomCat
(543 posts)The TSA is commonly referred to as security theater. They do NOT make the plane safe they instead make the passengers feel like something is "being done."
In addition there are many, many flights with legal guns on them. Federal Air Marshals, Pilots that have been trained as Federal Flight Deck officers, Other federal officers and Special Agents that have passed the "Flying while armed" course, Other state and local officers that have a legitimate reason to be armed when they arrive at there destination or while escorting prisoners.
Last time I flew and signed the register that is maintained at checkpoints for all authorized armed personnel there were six other Fed armed flyers signed in that morning.
Legal guns are NOT the problem.
By the way... you seem to be poorly informed on the Trevon Martin case as well. you have spurted lots of biased opinion with little to no facts. Very sad.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)57_TomCat
(543 posts)is not without some bias and error not to mention your complete disregard for the balance of the original post. It must sometimes be hard for you to continue to spout when your ability to actually state the truth is so limited. You have my sympathy and hope for a better life without such disabilities.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)without guns and bullets on the street, Trey would be alive today.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)as would this lady
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Police-Woman-64-shoots-home-invasion-suspect/-/475880/17088114/-/14tmxfdz/-/index.html
As for Master Martin, I'll wait for the real trial. One thing I noticed about all trial by media, media claims are almost always wrong.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)btw-you are attempting to prove a negative and there are billions of variables in any situation with that person you are referring to.
because when one changes the space-time continuum any variable can change.
(for instance, without guns/ammo RFK and JFK would still be here, however, would there have been civil rights/voting rights acts actually gotten through and signed?
and you cannot say someone would not be here without a gun, being that the person might indeed be here. How can you say???
it's a good straw-man though.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)plus he didn't smash and grab the TV, there are not billions of variables, only two very probable outcomes.
No, they would still be gone, different weapon. Remember, before guns were invented, Europe had a murder rate that would make Chicago, Jamaica, and USVI look like modern Japan.
http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-london-news/local-uxbridge-news/2012/05/18/drug-dealers-jailed-for-machine-gun-murder-of-customer-113046-30999519/
UK banned private ownership of machine guns in 1937.
Many of the freedom riders were armed. Hate to break it to you, but Rosa Parks carried CCW, illegally, but she did. Civil rights lawyer Don Kates, who worked for Bill Kunstler, worked as an armed guard for those helping African Americans and poor whites register to vote.
First Lady Roosevelt carried a .38 revolver working for civil rights.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I can't picture Bush and company hiring someone like Kunstler or Kuby.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)there was a pun intended in the previous title by the way.
then do some real math and put 2 and 2 together. It don't come up 5.
one of the vast ironies, in that Bush41 used to rederide the ACLU while the race with Dukakis was going on.
(if you are old enough to remember ancient history like that.)I recall it as if it were yesterday, because Dukakis had a lot of prejudice against him by Bush backers, same as the racism today against our President Obama.
Thankfully President Obama is alot better politically at the game than Mike Dukakis was (who was one helleva guy, but probably after he and Kerry both lost, it means no liberal from Mass. shall ever be nominated again unfortunately(for both Deval and Liz).
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)defending or getting the Bush family off for anything. Provide the proof w/link to your assertation.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)the pun intended in prior title was a wink wink hint
one of those breadcrumbs like the ones Bob Woodward was given to follow to the exact conclusion Deep Throat wanted him to get to.
(and Carl Bernstein was not a part of.)
and yes, by the way, I have nothing against federal guns. After all, the entire armed forces is federal, and they and the state national guard, are who the laws were written for.
not a silly individual like Zimmerman who stalked and then killed in cold blood an unarmed man.
regardless of any other fact in the Zimmy case, he was in NO danger in his home when he shot dead dear Trey.
Thank God for the activists who kept that case in the media. Without it, Zimmy would have gotten away with murder with no one knowing.
I weep for Trey.and the 1000s and 1000s many times over of other blacks lynched in America over the years and no one seeming to care about them.
btw-free OJ Simpson. It is illegal to try and prosecute someone for the same crime twice.
sylvi
(813 posts)Since you're so intimately familiar with "dear Trey", and you "weep for Trey", you should know it's not "Trey", it's Tray. The individuals name was Trayvon.
I don't think you really know what you're talking about. Between the bad novel line about "living your life in a prison" and the James-Bond-schlocky "put a hole in the plane and it would crash" and the bizarre references to W. Kunstler and O.J. Simpson, I think you're just a poser trying to gin up some More Liberal Than Thou street cred. That or a garden-variety troll here to stir shit.
What's your real agenda.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)guess you must defend the 41 days
MMMM is the equalizer to the worlds #1 big mouth lobby group, the nra.
the irony was how Bush41 professed to hate the ACLU, yet got a free get out of jail card
from them by their getting you know who off.
sylvi
(813 posts)and I, and I'd wager most of the people here, don't have the foggiest notion what you're babbling about.
What the hell is MMMM? Wasn't that a bubble gum rock song by Hanson back in the 90's?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)so much for the constitution if you think OJ was guilty, being that he was found totally innocent of all charges
being that it did not fit
and you believe in trying someone twice for the same crime?
Of course, those that hated OJ proved they were like that poll released by AP today
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)OJ was convicted of Armed Robbery, Kidnapping in Nevada, he was found not guilty of 2 counts of Murder in California, I believe he did it but the CA. Jury found him not guilty, how does my opinion violate the constitution? It is, after all, just my opinion, which I am entitled to.
BTW, he wasn't found innocent, he was found not guilty, which is different.
sylvi
(813 posts)The only person talking about OJ Simpson has been you, or are you responding to internal stimuli? Between that and your previous flights of ideas I'm growing concerned about your health.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)OJ was tried twice for the same crime
I do hope he gets a new trial and it is proven and with his time served he gets out.
because he was found innocent in the first trial (the one that had an honest jury)
I am convinced in the second one he was set up and it had to be Vegas with there archaic law
(funny thing that the gun people do not defend him...Why???
sylvi
(813 posts)but you have provided neither. Just some rambling, elliptical speech and apparent inside jokes (known only to you) that you have tried to pass off as profundity, hoping no one would notice.
I still don't see what this has to do with O.J. or why it's a "funny thing that the gun people do not defend him".
Oh, and U.S. courts of law do not find defendants "innocent". They find them, "Not guilty".
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)the Mitt Romneys of the world guilty, because they only spew the constitution, but actually don't believe it
the brain is mightier than the gun.
and the pun is also mightier than the gun.
or to quote the Knights of the Ni
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)found him guilty of Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. Rightly so. Karma's a bitch ain't it, he gets away with a double murder, IMO, and is found guilty of Armed Robbery and Kidnapping.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and there was no robbery
being that the merchanise was his and he was told he could go recover his own belongings
they also could have done so in a different state
but they didn't setting him up there to take a fall
Funny how all of a sudden you ain't defending his right to protect himself
but anyone else would have gotten probation
and they made his legal team a deal, but he was never told.
Had he been and taken it, he would already have been released.
gut feeling is he will be released with time served soon.
America took another black hero down.
If it were Tim T. he would never have even been tried.(even though Tim T. sucks at what he does).
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Black Hero? Why is he a black hero? He's a convicted Armed Robber and a convicted Kidnapper? Is this your idea of a black hero?
I can think of much better AA role models, like Martin Luther King Jr., George Washington Carver, Barack Hussein Obama, certainly not Oranthal Simpson.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)HE'S GUILTY.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)as a convicted felon which is a very bad thing to have hanging around your neck.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)that he is either a troll here to stir up shit or he has no idea of what he's talking about. Be that as it may, I quit believing anything that came out of his mouth, but it is entertaining to watch him twist himself into a pretzel trying to justify his beliefs.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)the #1 trait of the gun people is to belittle those opposed, bully and try to call them
loony, nuts insane and/or in need of meds,
if that fails use the troll word.
because they are so in love with their gun/ammo, they cannot comprehend how bad they are for children and other living things and have zero redeeming value.
but keep tossing them darts.
nothing better to do while waiting for Sandy and a likely blackout. (of course Sandy and NJ have a history).
Got all my supplies but no gun. I can imagine a major flood, and the gun people refusing to give up their guns as they sink to the bottom because guns don't float.
like the Catwoman in the batman tv show where she refused to let go of her goodies even though Batman could have saved one of her lives.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts) discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)Maybe if we could have a federal security group to protect loyal Americans from harm. They could be posted in public places just to check people to keep everyone, well... protected.
We could call them the Protective Squadron. 
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PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Take that crap somewhere else.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)You all carry guns which are designed for one purpose to kill someone.
When all the shooters are gone no one gets shot.
It will never get to that but a person can dream.
You aren't some elavated or enlightened person because you carry a gun. Get over yourself.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Wow, Man ... heavy.
Tell me, Guru, when will that be precisely, next week, next month? When the moon is in the 7th house?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...those show up without a gun will be shot more than those who bring one.
Except for mayor mike and his "army".
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... when I first came to DU it was right after the 2004 election.
The discussion board was on fire with calls to -- "take it to the streets" and "fight back against the power". I remarked then that if they ever planned to switch from the ballot to the bullet, it's a darn shame they spent the last 75 years pushing firearms into the hands of their opponents.
Radical Democrats -- bringing love beads to a gun fight.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...but row away from the water fall. 
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Provide your morality-arbiter credentials or Get Over Your Self.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)all of them.
ileus
(15,396 posts)without killing anyone. How did that happen?
Well I have to admit I do have a 1956 SKS that may have fired off a shot or two so I excluded it. All the other I'm pretty confident I know their history and of those 28 they've spent their entire time on earth without harming a single person.
All guns are not equal....some are target firearms, some hunting firearms, some self defense, and of course they come in 100's of different calibers.
The only thing that may be equal among all firearms is they are controlled by a Human of some sort.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...you would make exceptions for guns in the hands of government employees.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Typical authoritarian nonsense.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)How does that work, exactly?
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I've been asking him a question for 4 days now and I either get a long winded, incoherent bunch of nothing or he refuses to answer at all. He's got a post in this thread that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)of course those that speak in double negatives don't realize they are actually speaking in triple negatives, therefore it is a negative, not a postive.
simple 7th grade math
of course, the NRA and those that stockpile guns have ulterior motives
the surprising thing is there are so many gun lovers on a liberal democrat board.
one would think this was the Paul's boards.(anarchists(libertarians) that they are.)
one thing they never are/will/or was is democrats.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You might research the term 'false consensus'; it would appear you might be under just such a misconception in re Democratic gun owners:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=81845
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/002210317790049X
Lee Ross, David Greene, Pamela House
Stanford University
Abstract
Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive a “false consensus” with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses. A related bias was shown to exist in the observers' social inferences. Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively unrevealing concerning the actors' distinguishing personal dispositions when the responses in question were similar to the raters' own responses; responses differing from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon and revealing of the actor. These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social inference and attributional processes
I described it as 'pronoia' before I knew there was an actual clinical term for it. Prohibitionists of all stripes tend to share the same mentality.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)you think that progressive Dems can't or shouldn't own firearms? Who the hell are you to judge what a liberal democrat is?
With your often said authoritarian views, you would fit in somewhere else. 
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glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Your idea of America is where the average citizen has no means to protect themselves against the human animals who prey on the helpless and weak of our society, where only the authorities have firearms, you know what that's called?
A Police State. I find you your dreams a disgusting nightmare.
I just thank my lucky stars that people such as yourself will never be able to implement such disgusting laws.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)You're right, I was being to harsh to animals.
I've dealt with criminals for far longer than you buddy boy, a lot of them are far worse than animals. BTW, what's your experience in dealing with criminals?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I do agree that the people that beat up Rodney King were as bad as some animals with rabies.
And there is no animal I would insult comparing them to Zimmerman, who stalked and killed an unarmed man just to prove a political NRA talking point
people who commit crimes are usually driven by society to do so.
bullied early on
having no opportunities
give a kid a job, a dream, a hope and a way forward, and their mind doesn't go backward.
there but for the grace of God go I
that animal you refer to could be your child, your niece, nephew, grandchild, neighbor
and more like the kid that one day will cure all cancers from the world
now never having a chance due to life throwing him a lemon and a person with a gun like Zimmy used on Trey.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)what's your experience with dealing with criminals?
BTW, no, I don't go to work thinking of a human is a criminal, just the ones who murder their ex wife and daughter, the animal who shoots and kills someone for the few bucks in their wallets, the one who robs a store and then shoots the clerk.
A criminal curing all cancers from the world? Too fucking funny.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Get rid of the Mafia and stop the illegalities from happening.
the upper 1% supply the lower rings with the drugs in the first place.
the person who has nothing who robs a store to feed his family is because he has nothing. It is not his fault.
It is OUR fault. Society as a whole
same violent society that wants legal guns everywhere.
It becomes more and more apparent that the safety of the nation is not upmost of concern to gun lovers.
but judge/jury/executioner is in some cases.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Are you fucking serious, it's society's fault that some dirtbag robs a store? Really? I suppose, in your mind, that it's the firearems industries fault that the same dirtbag shot and killed a clerk during the robbery? How about the ex husband who stabbed his wife and 5 yo daughter to death, is that the knife maker's fault, is it society's fault?
Can you be any more ridiculous?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)take the knife question to the knife thread.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)The more gunners shoot each other the closer we get to peace
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PavePusher
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slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...except for government employees.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Too bad
slackmaster
(60,567 posts) DonP
(6,185 posts)The jury voted 6 to 0 to hide your piece of crap post.
Come back when you can behave yourself.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Of course some are designed to Hunt and target shoot with, but those carried in public and for self defense are designed to save lives.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)often designed to kill people.
57_TomCat
(543 posts)launch a projectile with speed and accuracy. That ability is NOT the same as designed to kill. In fact they are rather inefficient at killing since about 3 out of four people shot by handguns survive.
I do stipulate that they can be misused to kill or wound unlawfully as well as used lawfully to kill or wound predators (four and two legged types) or game.
I also know the military likes the ability to wound enemy soldiers or kill them with their smallarms. Wounding is preferred since it takes more enemy combatants out of the fight to care for wounded soldiers.
Even so the reasons guns are designed is to hit a target. How a human might point said gun at a target is the basis of morality.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Do you have any evidence whatsoever your dreamed-of Prohibition 3.0 would work any better?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/ayalon.html
When I was in Japan, there were a couple of enterprising Army types who bought pistols from underground (illegal factories) in Philippines (esp Cebu) and Thailand for $30, smuggle them to Japan and sold them to the Yakusa for over a $1K each. None of these guns were legal in any country.
Ever heard of a STEN submachine gun? many were made in bicycle shops in occupied Europe, esp. Poland and Denmark, a rare case of the good guys having illegal guns, while the bad guys had the legal ones. UK police still find them on drug dealers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Straw Man
(6,623 posts)You people scare me.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)ending the dicatorships of the bully pulpit NRA and one day, like cigarette smoking is now shunned by a vast majority, so will the glorification of the gun.
Legal guns are the direct cause of gun violence and illegal guns in the street
We will not be bullied into silence.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)That's a tautology at best. Violent crime has been around a lot longer than guns have been.
Clames
(2,038 posts)After they get a few posts hidden they seem to get the message and troll elsewhere.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)I would never seek to silence you -- you're just too much dang'd fun.
And an apparently un-witting spokesperson for the RKBA.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and it takes a strong person to stand up to the gang of professionals who have had 4 decades of million dollar suits providing concise, well thought out, not spur of the moment mutterings soundbytes.
It takes a strong poster NOT to
get goaded and all into crossing over that imaginary lne in the sand where it is obvious a gun person pushes the button to report a post
and hoping that some jury somewhere will agree with them. It only takes a majority in some places to do so.
HOWEVER-in real life, in a court room, "somewhere"
as Sondheim (c) wistfully wrote and 100s of singers sang) one day a court will rule against the gun, the bullet and the NRA
cigarettes used to be smoked by who knows, maybe 80, 70, or 90 percent of the public
today very few
and you can't smoke in a building, a restaurant, a movie theatre, even outside a building in some places. And you cannot in a bar either.
the key is to remain calm
the key is to remain civil
shake the hand of the gun fan when entering their domain
try to remain positive while arguing their love is a negative
the key is to not step over that line.
and above all, finding someway to neutralize the #1 lobby group super pac of all time
okay guys-
"somewhere over the rainbow" (c) goes the song...and an "answer my friend will be blowing in the wind" (as Dylan (c) wrote) and it will disturb the "sound of silence" (as Paul Simon (c) wrote).
So "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" (as Elton and Bernie (c) wrote) and as the Disney song(c) said, "someday my prince will come" (c), and guess what
decades down the road he has appeared. Riding onto the scene
NO he is not perfect on all his views, short of Rev. Al Sharpton in 2012, no one is.
almost mythical he has.
short in stature, a whiny voice, a funny sounding last name
but no, we are not talking about Ross perot here (LOL)
We are talking about The Equalizer.
Who will be attempting to equal things out down the road a piece.
Like Cleavon Little's Sheriff did when he entered that mythical Mel Brooks (c) town in the epic comedy spoof "Blazing Saddles" c)
Because those hoof prints I hear rustling are the sound of the NRA's biggest fear coming through
For the first time an Equalizer (c) to go against them.
Meek Mayor Mike is riding high in the saddle, with something to help, a lifeline of sort, to all politicians who now are forced bully pulpit style, to cower on the side of the NRA
the lifeline is of course- (as Abba so beautifully sang 40 years ago- $Money $Money $Money)
(c)
our Superman(c) and Batman(c) and Atom Ant (c) and Bugs Bunny(c) all rolled into one
because riding in from the east is (c) Meek Mayor Mike and he is the Equalizer(c) to the all mighty (c) NRA.
like the epic movie (c) there is going to be a "Duel in the Sun" soon, and the ironic part is,
no weapons proverbially will be used by anyone on the side of Meek Mayor Mike except for a little piece of paper signed, endorsed (and then many people will send in their contributions or yearly to them too. And the mathematical ratio will be
1 defeats 4.3 million that in the end, was just 1.4% of all the USA.
because 4.3 was overshadowed by 320 (million that is.)
yes, it can be fun.
and no, I fully understand, I cannot change the minds of any gun lover or NRA fan.
but then, that is not the point.
you also can't change my mind, and people on my side, though relatively silent, are there in more numbers than you want to "imagine" (c) John Lennon.
John Lennon who was alive and vibrant, and a true peace hero.
Til the stupid gun and bullet took him away from us.
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and guess what, to quote Elton and Bernie "I'm Still Standing" (better than I ever was]
and peacefully the revolution without weapons to get rid of all weapons/ guns/bullets from anywhere outside the home (after all, til a year or two ago, the 2nd Amend. was considered IN THE HOME for self defense IN THE HOME and not anywhere but IN THE HOME. like a seed is taking bloom.
btw, 3 things one is told about to never argue is politics, guns and religion.
now, gotta read a little bit, do a little bit of work and go better myself in the health club this beautiful morning
15 days and counting til the most important election in the history of the USA.
and let's all take a moment and we can sing together the song this man sang
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Happy Trails(c) to you, til we meet again.
in the words of #6, "Be seeing you" c)
and there are so many puns/references and all in just one lil ole post, that maybe someone might say I am the Catcher in the Wry. (c) (do I need to point out the reference here?)
"Imagine" c) that.
see you later in the morning eastern time my friends.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... a stream of consciousness?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)but I believe it is.
DonP
(6,185 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... I believe that was Graham Chapman in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
DonP
(6,185 posts)In fact, I think pretty much each of them used it at one point or another.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...IMHO: It isn't much of cheese shop, is it?
DonP
(6,185 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)Customer: I don't care how f***ing runny it is. Hand it over with all speed.
Owner: Oooooooooohhh........! (pause)
Customer: What now?
Owner: The cat's eaten it.
Customer: (pause) Has he.
Owner: She, sir.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)
are you talking about now?PavePusher
(15,374 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)they eat with their hands, only man and ape do that.
Most other creatures just use their mouths. Not squirrels.
(did you know that?)
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)sarisataka
(18,600 posts)They eat with their hands
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)that he knows not what he's talking about.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Otters eat with their "hands" too ya know... LOL
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)Let me know how that works out for you. DC v. Heller. McDonald v. City of Chicago. Yeah, that just happened.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)I'm dealing with a fractured tooth right now. It hurts. Ow.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Unless you can cite to evidence for any of your claims. I'll note that you have not done so to date. Ever.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts) graham4anything
(11,464 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)What's wrong with that? I find it quite refreshing that as Democrats, we can and do exercise ALL of our rights, including our, 
, 2A right, and all your rants aren't going to change anything.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)my posts might not change your mind
but MMMM is the great equalizer. He may sway the courts one day.(a non corrupt one unlike the later one that ruled)
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)the right to life/liberty/pursuit of happiness?
Here is the text of the 1st Amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Who is MMMM? Oh, you mean Blooming Idiot Mike? Yeah, right.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)but anyhow-your 2nd amendment means I can't peacefully assemble in a movie theatre bar or restaurant where an idiot with a legal gun might get angry at something and shoot the gun with live bullets
checkmate.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Really? How?
shoot a gun with live bullets? What, as opposed to dead bullets?
I don't agree with anything you've said yet about the 2A, and neither does the majority of Americans.
I'll ask again, and maybe this time you'll answer, what is your experience with dealing with criminals?
Oh yeah, and do you really believe that criminals will obey any law that forbids guns outside of the home?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I explained the last question to you about 100 times. It is not my fault you choose to hide the answer
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)First Posted: 04/13/2012 1:00 am Updated: 04/13/2012 8:57 pm
* 68 pct of Americans have favorable view of NRA
* Americans want to be able to defend themselves
* Back curbs on automatic weapons and guns in churches
By Deborah Charles
WASHINGTON, April 13 (Reuters) - Most Americans support the right to use deadly force to protect themselves - even in public places - and have a favorable view of the National Rifle Association, the main gun-lobby group, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed.
The online survey showed that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA, which starts its annual convention in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday.
Eighty-two percent of Republicans saw the gun lobbying group in a positive light as well as 55 percent of Democrats -- findings running counter to the image of supporters of the latter party being anti-NRA.
Most of the 1,922 people surveyed nationwide from April 9-12 said they supported laws that allow Americans to use deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their own home, or in a public place.
"Americans do hold to this idea that people should be allowed to defend themselves and using deadly force is fine, in those circumstances," said pollster Chris Jackson. "In the theoretical ... there's a certain tolerance of vigilantism."
The poll was conducted amid a nationwide debate over gun rights and race following the shooting of an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime watch volunteer who is white and Hispanic.
(Link to poll: http:// www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5586)
The poll results will be welcomed by the NRA, which hosts Republican presidential candidate M itt Romney a nd likely nominee as a speaker at its convention on Friday.
Eighty-seven percent of respondents - with high numbers among b oth R epublicans and Democrats - supported the use of deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their home.
Two-thirds said they backed laws permitting the use of deadly force to protect themselves in public.
STEP UP TO PREVENT CRIME
Nearly half of those surveyed felt crime rates were rising where they lived - even though Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics show that violent crime has declined for the past 4-1/2 years.
"People's perception of crime always over-represents reality," said Jackson. "I think that indicates the mind frame that the American public is in - there's always a constant low-level worrying about street crime."
As a result, 85 percent of those polled said they did not believe police could stop all crime and 77 percent felt regular people had to "step up" to help prevent crime from happening.
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, nearly 100,000 people are shot every year in the United States in murders, suicides, accidents or police intervention.
Government statistics show that 31,347 people died in the United States in 2009 as a result of gunshots, including 11,493 in homicides.
Ninety-one percent of those who responded to the survey agreed on the need for background checks before a firearm can be sold. Only six percent said they thought gun ownership should require no, or very few restrictions.
Nearly three-quarters of respondents said they supported limiting the sale of automatic weapons, and 62 percent oppose bringing firearms into churches, workplaces or stores.
"A fairly large number of Americans support strong regulation, or at least moderate regulation of gun ownership," said Jackson. "Which is sort of counter to the narrative you often hear that legislators can't touch our guns or you'll have to pay."
The survey included 650 Republicans, 752 Democrats and 520 independents. The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval and this poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points for all respondents. (Editing by David Brunnstrom)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/gun-control-poll_n_1422625.html
