Connecticut Gun Owner Kills His Own Son

[mikeb302000]

ABC News reports

A Connecticut teacher shot a masked and knife-wielding person during a late-night confronation outside his sister's home when she believed she was being robbed. But Jeffrey Giuliano, 44, didn't realize that he had gunned down and killed his teenage son until the boy was identified by authorities.

Police responding to a possible burglary attempt pulled up to a house in New Fairfield at 1 a.m. Thursday to find the local 5th grade teacher, dressed in a T-shirt and shorts, sitting on the lawn outside his sister's home (the two lived next door). Dead in the driveway was his 15-year-old son, Tyler.

Lieutenant J. Paul Vance said that Tyler was found with obvious gunshot wounds and was holding a weapon. Police later specified that the "weapon in possession of the deceased at the time of this incident was determined by troopers to be a knife."

"We received a call reporting possible burglary and shots fired," Vance told ABC News. "He was shot multiple times, but we still don't know the number of times or the location."

On the great blog TTAG, they strongly advise people who shoot others to STFU. But if you're going to say something, the key word is always "lunged" if a knife is involved. This, they think, justifies shooting someone several times in the chest.

The nightmare irony in this case is the vigilante gun owner killed his own son. Sad, pathetic, sick and predictable. The chances of a homeowner in a low-crime area like this one ever needing to use the gun to save the day is lower by far than the chance that someday the gun will be misused.

This is an extreme example of that.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

[rDigital]

1. Doop. http://www.democraticunderground.com/117274715

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117274715

[Tigress DEM]

2. I'm for gun control and responsible use, but why was the Son robbing his Aunt?

Terrible but the person being attacked did not have a weapon and could have been killed. Was the kid high, stealing from his Aunt for drugs? What?

Not to say that if the family talked more and armed themselves less, that this wouldn't have happened, but the kid going after his Aunt with a knife and mask was out of line even if it was just a practical joke. 15 year olds are stupid that way. My son used to dress as a Ninja and jump out to scare people in the neighborhood. Could have given someone a heart attack, but mostly just pissed people off, like ding-dong ditch it's one of those annoying, childish things.

It's just awful that for whatever reason that kid was going after his Aunt, his Dad believed there was danger and decided a gun was the answer to the problem.

[former-republican]

5. Somethings not adding up

The whole thing sounds crazy.

1:am , ski mask, knife

Maybe the dad as tragic as this is saved his sisters life.
I watched the video on this and people said , what a good kid he seemed to be.

How many times have you heard people talking like that after a kid is found to be a murderer ?

Too often ........

[slackmaster]

8. Drug addiction can make people do some very bizarre things

Just taking a wild guess here.

[mikeb302000]

10. It's not clear what he was doing.

The only thing for sure is the vigilante gun owning dad blew him away.

[gejohnston]

12. look up the word vigilante

and get back with us.

[mikeb302000]

17. Here it is

broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vigilante

How does that not apply to the asshole dad who executed his own son?

[gejohnston]

20. it doesn't the dad had no way of knowing it was his son

he saw a guy in a mask attack him. So you are saying that people should not defend themselves? That has nothing to do with justice or being a self appointed doer of anything. So in other words, it doesn't. Using your definition, anyone defending themself from a violent attack is a vigilante and an asshole. Using your definition a woman shooting or stabbing her rapist or abusive husband is a vigilante and an asshole. I other words, you either don't understand what the word means or you intentionally misuse to push newspeak, which is something ideologues do.

a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate);

This is an example of a vigilante using the correct definition
complete with instigating a lynch mob.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/roseanne-barr-zimmerman-tweets-893416

[bongbong]

26. The Delicate Flowers get all legalistic now! LOL

You tried to "refute" the previous post by challenging the use of the word "vigilante", and now you've ignored the fact you were proven wrong. That murderer wasn't defending himself, he was carrying out (Rambo-style) "justice".

Here's another definition of vigilante: "any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime."

The DU Gun Lobby strikes (at logic & common sense) again!

[demwing]

32. You don't get it...

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)

everyone knows "vigilante" means "gun-owning"

[mikeb302000]

45. You're exaggerating what I said

The criterion for deadly force is lethal threat. I don't see that in this story.

[gejohnston]

49. news articles tell very little

and rarely get details correct. No, I don't think I was exaggerating. Although US gun control groups don't say it now, but in the 1970s they often said it was better not to resist or "lay back". A knife is a lethal weapon. In fact, most murders in Canada are committed with them.

[PavePusher]

78. Then you are lying. See #72. n/t

[PavePusher]

39. From your link:

vig·i·lan·te noun \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\

Definition of VIGILANTE

: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun


See vigilante defined for English-language learners »

See vigilante defined for kids »


Examples of VIGILANTE

<the danger of these self-appointed vigilantes is that they sometimes go after innocent people>


Origin of VIGILANTE

Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans


First Known Use: 1856


Related to VIGILANTE

Synonyms: avenger, castigator, chastiser, punisher, scourge, nemesis

Related Words: revenger; redresser, righter; requiterNear Antonyms: ransomer, redeemer, vindicator

Other Legal Terms
actionable, alienable, carceral, chattel, complicity, decedent, larceny, malfeasance, modus operandi

Now, you tell us, which part equates to "defended himself against a knife attack by an anonymous person in the middle of the night".

And before you try to dodge or misdirect, yes, the knife attacker was anonymous to him until after the defensive action was over.

[glacierbay]

40. Mike caught using deception again?

Why am I not surprised.

[PavePusher]

73. Deception? Hell, he's fucking lying. See my commentry below. n/t

[glacierbay]

75. Yeah, I know that he outright lied

I was just trying to be diplomatic about it.

[mikeb302000]

46. I don't dodge or misdirect.

There was no knife attack. The details of the story did not indicate a lethal attack with a knife. What they indicated was a vigilante-minded gun owner charging into a situation that he had no business charging into. And like so often happens, after he killed somebody, he said he was being attacked.

He should have stayed in his house and called 911.

[glacierbay]

56. Bullshit

The article says that the son lunged at the father with a knife, that is a lethal attack, what, should the father have waited until he got stabbed?
The father had every right coming to the defense of his sister whom he believed was in imminent danger, the law allows for it.You
You keep saying, "and like so often happens, after he killed somebody, he said he was being attacked." If this happens so often, then I sure you can provide proof of your claim, just post the links to this being a common occurrence, shouldn't be hard if it happens as often as you say it does.

[mikeb302000]

84. I don't believe in the "lunging" defense

When the guy with the knife is dead and the guy with the gun is standing there, what else is he gonna say?

[gejohnston]

89. in other words, you don't have any

reasonable opinion based on facts. If the cops and forensics people don't have a reason not to buy it, what makes you an expert? You are not a cop, forensics person. You are an ideologue with a blog.

It was unclear how many times the teen was shot and where, Vance told ABC News. He said that the medical examiner will be doing an autopsy today, which will help with the investigation.

"We're working out the timeline with the evidence and interviewing the witnesses and will figure out the timeline," Vance said. "We're going to examine everything and try to understand exactly how and why this occurred."

BTW, the article said nothing about lunged

[glacierbay]

91. Who cares what you believe.

Your in Italy, the cops were there, they collected the evidence, so far, haven't made an arrest, guess why? Because the evidence so far fits the elements of his statement.
Here's an idea, why don't you fly back from Italy, go to the police station and tell them that you don't believe it was self defense and that you demand an arrest. That should be good for a laugh.

[4th law of robotics]

94. Some people don't believe the world is round

or that it revolves around the sun or that stars are anything other than holes in the sky through which heaven shines through.

It's ok. You can believe whatever you like. Just recognize that A) it's a fringe view not supported by reality and B) it has no legal bearing in our reality.

/I don't believe children ever accidentally shoot their parents. I believe it is 100% intentional homicide. Every single time. Prove me wrong. You can't! Ahah I'm right!

[Atypical Liberal]

62. Yeah he was wearing a mask and holding a knife just to practice for Halloween!

There was no knife attack. The details of the story did not indicate a lethal attack with a knife. What they indicated was a vigilante-minded gun owner charging into a situation that he had no business charging into. And like so often happens, after he killed somebody, he said he was being attacked.

I don't know if the masked, knife-wielding criminal actually attacked the victim or not, and neither do you.

But this should be a very good damn lesson that people should not wear masks and walk around with knives in their hands, because, you know, someone might think you are about to commit a violent crime or something!

How shocking it is that if you dress up like a violent thug, someone might actually believe you are a violent thug!

He should have stayed in his house and called 911.

And maybe his sister would have ended up with some new cosmetic enhancements. Or maybe not. Who knows?

Not everyone can be expected to stand up in the face of bad people doing bad things, and that's OK. But when good people stand up to bad people, especially at great risk to themselves, such people deserve praise, not condemnation.

[PavePusher]

72. "There was no knife attack."

From the article:

Giuliano, who teaches at the Meeting House Hill School in New Fairfield, told police that the masked stranger came at him with the object still in his hand and in a threatening manner. Giuliano said he believed that the stranger was armed, and during the confrontation that quickly followed discharged his handgun.

Emphasis mine.


From you:

But if you're going to say something, the key word is always "lunged" if a knife is involved.

The word "lunged" is nowhere in the original article.


From you:

This, they think, justifies shooting someone several times in the chest.

From the article:

Lieutenant J. Paul Vance said that Tyler was found with obvious gunshot wounds and was holding a weapon.

Article doesn't say where the wounds were. But he was holding a weapon... shooting justified. See below...


From the article:

Police later specified that the "weapon in possession of the deceased at the time of this incident was determined by troopers to be a knife.

And that finishes off your statement:

There was no knife attack. The details of the story did not indicate a lethal attack with a knife.

In short, either you can't read (but can apparently type... ), or you are a lying liar telling lies and need to go get bent.

I know what my money is on...


As for this:

What they indicated was a vigilante-minded gun owner charging into a situation that he had no business charging into.

Are you actually claiming that neighbors and family shouldn't help each other? Do you think a person wearing a ski mask and armed with a knife was there to have fucking tea and crumpets?

You, sir, are a vile, pathetic, poor excuse for a homo sapiens. Go. Away.

[mikeb302000]

85. Dad should have stayed in the house and dialed 911. n.t.

[glacierbay]

92. And let his sister possibly get robbed and/or worse?

Yeah, Mike, that's brilliant.
He did what any other brother would do, defend a family member, the father didn't know who that masked person was, all he saw was a threat and he responded accordingly and within the law, that's how it's done here, maybe not in Italy, but we're not in Italy are we Mike?

[PavePusher]

97. 911 was called. Check around, someone posted that fact.

In the meantime, while waiting for police, we Americans do this social thing called "helping each other". It's pretty nifty.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

3. unrec

[jbgood1977]

43. How do you unrec?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

44. just reply & type "unrec"

[Clames]

4. Getting worse with every post.

Do you even know what vigilante means?

[former-republican]

6. That's why I ignore responding to him

Just talk about the story.

[mikeb302000]

11. Yeah, how does it not apply to this guy? n.t.

[4th law of robotics]

15. He shot in self-defense

not to punish anyone.

[Clames]

16. He wasn't part of a committee, this wasn't an act of revenge, and he was not acting...

...as a law enforcement officer. Basically, you don't have a clue to what the word "vigilante" really means and you are just using it (incorrectly) as part of you overall anti-gun agenda. Look up the word "transparent" next time.

[mikeb302000]

18. It seems your grasp of the English language is not what you think it is.

I answered above with the definition of vigilante and how it applies to this case.

[glacierbay]

22. The term vigilante most definitly doesn't apply here

Dad was not taking the law into his own hands and serving up vigilante justice, dad was defending himself from a threat of bodily injury or imminent death. Just because it was his own son makes no difference whatsoever, dad didn't know that.

Your really grasping at straws in the wind.

[mikeb302000]

47. He should have stayed home and dialled 911.

But vigilante gun owners don't do that. That's too sheepish for them. Now someone's dead, who happens to be his own son, but it doesn't matter who it is. Whenever someone dies unnecessarily it's a tragedy.

[gejohnston]

54. if the sister had a weapon

A Connecticut teacher shot a masked and knife-wielding person during a late-night confronation outside his sister's home when she believed she was being robbed. But Jeffrey Giuliano, 44, didn't realize that he had gunned down and killed his teenage son until the boy was identified by authorities.

even a taser or pepper spray that caused a heart attack or an allergic reaction, or asthma, could have also killed him.
perhaps, but what if the sister died while he was sitting on the phone?

[jeepnstein]

67. And they would have sent somebody out to investigate as quickly as they could.

Some times help comes in a matter of minutes, some times it takes much longer. Even if an officer is on a call nearby and can just drop what he's doing and run hot all the way there it might take a few minutes. And of course the officer has to drive as safely as he or she can all the while so they don't wind up killing someone in the process.

Dialing 911 is not a magic cure all in the United States. And if the police don't arrive in time? Too bad, so sad, but it's just not their problem. They'll do the appropriate paper work and go on to the next call.

I'll not second guess the shooter on this one. Even if he was 100% justified in shooting the kid it's still going to be a very heavy burden to bear.

[Jenoch]

77. And if you were faced

with this situation, you could dial 112.

[Clames]

24. Really? You can't even use a relatively simple word correctly....

...so you have absolutely no standing on that point. Maybe you should invest in a quality English dictionary before you continue on. I hear Webster makes a pretty good one...

[slackmaster]

7. If the story is accurate, it seems the young man made some poor choices

He chose his victim poorly, and surely he would have known that his father was likely to be armed with a gun in that kind of situation.

[ileus]

9. Another duplicate post....thanks but no thanks.

[oneshooter]

13. This ia s duplicate post. Can't you find your own Google Dump material

and quit repeating Circular's?

Also another attempt to pimp your sorry ass blog.

[4th law of robotics]

14. Lunging at someone with a knife *does* justify shooting in defense

you're aware knifes are lethal weapons right?

[mikeb302000]

19. And you're aware that murdering vigilante gun owners often claim "lunging" occurred.

[gejohnston]

21. do you have evidence of this?

[glacierbay]

23. If what you claim is true

then post the links proving your assertions.
Believe it or not, LEO is pretty good at determining whether a self defense claim is valid or not, so don't give us your bullshit about "murdering vigilante gun owners often claim "lunging" occurred. It won't wash without you proving it with empirical evidence.

[mikeb302000]

50. that's a pretty effective trick you've got there

demanding evidence when you know there is none. Sometimes you just have to use your head and be reasonable and honest.

Do people sometimes shoot others unnecessarily or prematurely? Yes.
Do those people tend to describe the events in the best possible light to justify what they did? Yes.

Many DGUs are really crimes disguised. It's human nature.

[holdencaufield]

53. "that's a pretty effective trick you've got there ...demanding evidence"

Yes, due process is just so damned annoying to someone trying to create a "perfect social order"

Damn the justice system anyway.

[glacierbay]

57. Yeah Mike

that's what we do in this country, demand evidence.
So, are you saying that you have no evidence of this man being a vigilante? You made the accusation, now provide the proof.
While you're at it, provide the proof that many DGU's are really crimes disguised.

You telling me to use my head and be reasonable and honest? That's a pretty funny statement coming from you.

[mikeb302000]

86. Why is that funny coming from me?

Who the fuck are you to get nasty like that. Oh, you're a cop. I forgot.

You refuse to use your head. Answer me this, genius copper, do you think EVERY reported DGU is legitimate? Do you think there are NO false DGUs, none at all?

[glacierbay]

93. Touched a nerve didn't I?

I never said all reported DGU's were genuine, but so far, you've provided no evidence that many DGU's are claimed to cover up crimes and when you are asked to provide the evidence of what you claim, here's what you said:

mikeb302000 (785 posts)
50. that's a pretty effective trick you've got there

demanding evidence when you know there is none. Sometimes you just have to use your head and be reasonable and honest.

Do people sometimes shoot others unnecessarily or prematurely? Yes.
Do those people tend to describe the events in the best possible light to justify what they did? Yes.

Many DGUs are really crimes disguised. It's human nature.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/117275370#post50

Yeah, you're a good one to call for using your head and be reasonable and honest.

[Atypical Liberal]

63. If there is no evidence, then why are you making claims?

that's a pretty effective trick you've got there demanding evidence when you know there is none.

If there is no evidence, then why are you making claims?

Sometimes you just have to use your head and be reasonable and honest.

LOL, you read it here first, folks - Mike equates making shit up with being "reasonable and honest".

[mikeb302000]

87. No, I draw reasonable conclusions from the facts

There are reported DGUs
Some are false DGUs because some gun owners are trigger-happy vigilante assholes and naturally they'd want to put the best slant on their actions.

Do you deny that?

[gejohnston]

88. I deny that

you draw reasonable conclusions based on facts.

[Atypical Liberal]

90. Yes, I deny that.

I deny that you are making reasonable conclusions from the facts.

In fact, you have provided no facts to support your conclusion.

[glacierbay]

98. So, once again, here we are,

provide the evidence that this happens often like you claimed in another post.

[4th law of robotics]

25. Ah so the dad lied so he could get away with killing his son?

Also I'd ask for stats but given your proclivities I'm sure none would be forthcoming.

[mikeb302000]

51. No,

I think he killed someone unnecessarily who turned out to be his son. Then what was he going to do, admit his mistake and make matters worse? No, he paints the best possible picture to justify the shooting. "He lunged at me."

[glacierbay]

59. Pretty good story you have there Mike.

Now, let's see your evidence to back it up, oh, that's right, it's a trick asking for evidence.
I guess we just have to take your word for it, now, you be sure to contact the agency investigating this and tell them of your theories.
I'm quite sure that they want your take on it.

Fact is Mike, you have nothing to back up your claim except your own conjecture, which, BTW, is not considered evidence in this country, I'm pretty sure Italy doesn't consider conjecture as evidence either.

[4th law of robotics]

69. Asking for evidence . . . tsk tsk

That's straight out of the NRA handbook. No more of your tricks!

[glacierbay]

71. Yeah

that's just the cop part of me, wanting to see the evidence thingy.
I forgot, no NRA talking points here.

[4th law of robotics]

68. Great work Sherlock

No that's not fair.

Even the Great Sherlock Holmes had to actually look at the crime scene to deduce the elaborate conspiracy behind it.

He would have been far more effective (although less entertaining) if he could just determine the entire sequence of events by magic.

[ileus]

58. Can you provide a link to some of these acts?

[bongbong]

27. Murder

> knifes

Now you're murdering the English language.



The "lunging" was probably like the "lunging" that Trayvon did to that other Rambo-wannabe Zimmerman.

[4th law of robotics]

28. Or you're just making stuff up

Sensible people think this kid lunged at his dad with a knife and the dad killed him in self defense (and not knowing it was his son).

Others believe he tricked his son in to dressing up in all black and breaking in to his neighbor/sisters house so he could murder him, plant a knife in his hand, then get the sister to be complicit in the rage-based murder of her own nephew.

I guess being obsessed with banning guns leads people to believe all sorts of things.

[glacierbay]

31. That's exactly what he's doing,

making shit up as he goes along. I won't even respond to him anymore.

[bongbong]

34. Now you got it!

Since the DU Gun Lobby makes stuff up all the time (under the cover of being an NRA Talking Point), I figure the Delicate Flowers love that kind of discussion. I'm giving the Delicate Flowers what they love to give to DU!

[4th law of robotics]

35. Interesting

so you're treating your strawman the way you imagine he treats you?

Perhaps you two should start your own forum. The Straw-bong variety hour. He could make nonsensical claims like "The NRA says we shouldn't have cops" and you can reply with equally nonsensical claims like "Anyone who owns guns is a delicate flower working for the NRA".

Dean Martin could sing songs about the true meaning of the 2nd amendment ('gun ownership is a collective right doled out by the state . . . aint that a kick in that head'). And maybe a reunited Sonny and Cher could do a skit about the perils of home gun ownership (obviously he'd be the one getting accidentally shot every five minutes).

The Brady-Campaign could fund it.

I'd watch.

[bongbong]

38. LOL

Such a vivid imagination. Now I know where the Delicate Flowers get their ideas from.

[4th law of robotics]

41. Gee Strawy, what shall we do tonight? The same thing we do every night, Bong . . .

Try to eradicate guns!

Strawy and the bong
They're Strawy and the bong
Yes Strawy and the bong.

One is a logical fallacy, the other has a poor grasp of basic logic . . .

/that last line may need some work. But I could definitely see your antics forming the basis for an entertaining children's show.

[PavePusher]

42. Bwwwwaaaaaaha-ha-ha-hahahah...!

[bongbong]

80. Spewing

You're spewing nonsensical Talking Points again. Making no sense. What happened to your usually entertaining imagination?

[4th law of robotics]

81. Talking points?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahah! It was a reference to a childrens show that every American child coming of age in the 90s is well aware of.

You claim that Pinky and the Brain is an NRA talking point?

Ahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha!

/one of pinky's catch phrases is "narf!" or if you rearrange the letters FNRA. Yep, Fuck the NRA. It fits too perfectly.

[bongbong]

95. Yep

I assume any string of gibberish from Delicate Flowers is more NRA Talking Points.

Excuse me for not being more familiar with a cartoon. I guess I'm just not intellectual enough.

[4th law of robotics]

96. GASP!

If strings of gibberish are NRA talking points then . . . my god. . . YOU are an NRA talking point! The talking points have become self-aware (sorta) and are propagating themselves via blogs.

So you're like skynet but more annoying than genocidal.

When we finally decide to shut you down will you launch all our nukes or will you roll of the floor laughing?

[bongbong]

99. LOL

> f strings of gibberish are NRA talking points then . . . my god. . . YOU are an NRA talking point

IOW, "I am rubber, you are glue, everything you say sticks to you"

Thanks for the nostalgia trip back to 2nd grade.



Let's see, cartoons, 2nd grade insults, scared of the real world...does your mommy know you like to play with guns?

[GreenStormCloud]

74. That would be Sonny's ghost & Cher.

He hit a tree while skiing in 1998.

[4th law of robotics]

79. I know

that's why he's the one getting shot.

It's family friendly you see, can't have cher shooting a live person to show them how awful guns are.

[demwing]

30. If not "probably"

then "perhaps," or possibly "maybe."

[mikeb302000]

52. Did I write "knifes." That is funny. n.t.

[demwing]

29. Why the title "Connecticut Gun Owner Kills His Own Son?"

Why not "Connecticut Teacher Kills His Own Son?"

[Atypical Liberal]

33. I'm not sure what the point of this post is supposed to be. Masked armed criminal was shot.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is supposed to be.

Presumably we are supposed to damn the father for shooting his son.

But the facts of the case as presented indicate a lawfully-armed man shot down a masked person with a knife.

Yes, it's tragic that it turned out that the masked criminal was his son. But what does that have to do with the situation?

The man was armed, and shot down an armed criminal. It's sad that the boy made such a poor life decision and put his own father in such a terrible situation, but this is certainly no condemnation of owning firearms or using them in self-defense.

[4th law of robotics]

36. Appeal to emotion

If you own a gun you will certainly shoot your own child by accident (or vice-versa).

They experimented with employing actual stats and logic for the briefest of moments but found that those typically disproved every argument they made.

So now they're working with anecdotes and emotion instead.

[Atypical Liberal]

37. Ah. Of course.

We are supposed to feel upset because the masked, armed criminal was related to the victim, and then direct our sadness at self-defense in general, and self-defense with a handgun in particular. I see now.

[holdencaufield]

48. " ...you will certainly shoot your own child by accident ..."

Yes, by accident .... that's right ... an .... accident...

[mikeb302000]

55. Yeah, he was a big bad criminal and heavily armed too.

Did you see his picture?

[glacierbay]

60. A knife is a very lethal weapon

it can kill very efficiently. I've faced knives before Mike, they are a dangerous weapon in the hands of someone willing to do harm with them.

[Atypical Liberal]

61. LOL, what do you expect? A three-headed monster?

Yeah, he was a big bad criminal and heavily armed too. Did you see his picture?

Yes, I did. Did you read the article?

"Once he left his house, Giuliano immediately saw a masked person dressed all in black clothing and wearing a ski-mask and holding a "shiny object," according to the police report."

The "shiny object" turned out to be a knife.

Just how intimidating a criminal do you require before you fear for your life? Do they have to be 6 feet tall and grow three heads while wielding a sword?

[Atypical Liberal]

64. More info on the shooting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/jeffrey-giuliano-devastated-shooting-masked-son-tyler-giuliano_n_1931822.html#slide=1589636

"Giuliano and his wife cooperated immediately with authorities, allowing them to search their home without a warrant and giving a sworn statement, Zingaro said. He called it a justifiable shooting and said Giuliano had a permit to carry the gun.

"In my opinion, Mr. Giuliano will not be charged with any type of offense, weapon or otherwise," Zingaro said."

[glacierbay]

66. Mikey will probably

claim that the cops are covering this up or that they are inept because this is a clear case of vigilantism, he will even say that asking for evidence of his claims is an "effective trick".

[4th law of robotics]

70. Full cooperation. Typical rightwing NRA gun-owner BS

that only further proves their guilt of course.

More tricks right out of the NRA handbook.

[aikoaiko]

65. At this point we really don't know if it was reasonable that father shot his son...

...but that is the point of a police investigation.

It could be that the shooter saved his life and the life of his sister by shooting.

If that were the case, surely you would support the shooter, wouldn't you?

Or are you the type of anti-gunster who would prefer the burglar to live and escape while the homeowner and her brother die?

It is a sad and tragic event end to a story where the son/nephew victimized his aunt and reportedly attacked his father when he confronted him.

[bluerum]

76. For petes sake, the dim wit was wearing a SKI MASK!

That's some scary shit right there. Anyone wearing a ski mask and carrying an object that could maybe appear to be a gun should be shot on sight.

[gejohnston]

82. worth reading

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/robert-farago/don-on-giuliano-tragedy-teach-your-children-well/#more-160184

[ManiacJoe]

83. Excellent article!