Lawful Florida Gun Owner Shoots Wrong Man in Road Rage Incident

[mikeb302000]

The Florida Times-Journal reports

A pickup driver in Jacksonville was wounded by gunshot Thursday in what police and the man’s father-in-law described as an accidental shooting.

The man’s gun went off when another passenger in the truck grabbed it in a confrontation with another driver, said James Borum, whose son-in-law was taken to Shands Jacksonville hospital.

Let me break it down for you. Two idiots in pickup trucks left the gas station together and and got into some kind of ego contest. Both were raging maniacs who felt the other had a lot of nerve to dare such a challenge. At the light one of the idiot's imbecile friend grabbed a gun intending on using it on the driver of the other pickup, but instead shot his own driver.

These are the kinds of redneck, hillbillies that make Florida the Most Baneful State in the Union.

But, it's not just them. It's built right into the system down there.

No arrests have been reported by the Sheriff’s Office.

Don't you find it unbelievable that no one is arrested after a scene like that. You know they put other people in danger as well as themselves. And you also know they were lawful gun owners.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

[trouble.smith]

1. You should take this up with the Florida LEOs if you're so offended by it.

call the governor's office even.

[holdencaufield]

2. "Let me break it down for you..."

You're not breaking down anything -- you're hurling insults and innuendo.

You seem to know a lot about this incident and the people involved given that you don't actually know anything other than what you read. Which is precious little.

My suggestion to you -- if you ever visit the United States -- is don't go to Florida. Disney world is highly over-rated anyway.

[4th law of robotics]

11. Yeah, since when did "breaking it down"

come to mean "repeating the exact same story but with a bunch of pointless insults thrown in".

/and aren't "break downs" supposed to be shorter? The quoted article contained 52 words. The 'shorter' version contained 90.

[ileus]

3. dup...go here to discuss.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=74837

[ileus]

4. were they NRA or African American?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117274392#post31

Just trying to sort out how you judge these individuals.

[oneshooter]

5. This is a duplicate, please lock.

[Remmah2]

6. IBTL

nt

[slackmaster]

7. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are sure of your target and backdrop, and until you intend to destroy the target.

[MercutioATC]

16. God love you, don't give this up!

You're right, of course, but it takes real determination to keep trying to get people to listen.

[mikeb302000]

18. Especially around here

where the "gun control and RKBA" group is really the "RKBA" group period.

Maybe the group should be renamed "Anti gun control and RKBA."

[MercutioATC]

24. Hey, most people just support keeping their 2A rights...

This is the place where those who don't get to try to convert the masses. Have at it.

That said, money is a part of our culture. We have finance classes in school (home-ec classes).

Sex is a part of our culture. We have sex-ed classes.

Guns are also a part of our culture. We should have gun safety classes. Not only would it reduce the possibility of an AD if a kid happens to come into unsupervised contact with a gun, but it would actually work toward the real purpose of the 2A...having a populace that was able to preserve its freedoms, by force if need be.

[Atypical Liberal]

8. Yes, ocasionally people with no criminal records do commit crimes with firearms.

Yes, occasionally people with no criminal records, even CCW permit holders do commit crimes with firearms.

However, this is rare.

Most firearm homicides are committed by people with extensive prior criminal histories.

People with CCW permits are hardly ever involved in crimes. In fact, they are less likely to be involved in crimes - any kind of crime - than your average person you might encounter on the street.

People like Mikeb like to post anecdotes like this as if they portray some kind of trend about CCW permit holders. Don't fall for it - they don't.

And of course in this case, the CCW permit holder was the victim, not the shooter.

Don't you find it unbelievable that no one is arrested after a scene like that. You know they put other people in danger as well as themselves. And you also know they were lawful gun owners.

What crime was committed? As far as I can tell, the person who was accidentally shot was shot by a passenger in the vehicle, who had grabbed a firearm when someone else was approaching the vehicle. In other words, the victim was accidentally shot by his friend.

Also, the article doesn't say anything about the criminal history of the actual shooter. It doesn't even say who's firearm was used.

[mikeb302000]

19. Rare ???

"Anecdotes" like this are in the news every day. Open your eyes and your mind.

[gopiscrap]

28. also in some states road rage is a crime in itself

[Atypical Liberal]

34. Anecdotes are NOT INDICITIAVE OF A TREND.

Rare ??? "Anecdotes" like this are in the news every day. Open your eyes and your mind.

On one hand I'm astonished when people post things like this, and then I suddenly consider the source.

Yes, Mike, it is exceedingly rare for law-abiding people to just "snap" and go commit crimes, particularly violent crime, and in particular homicide.

Most homicides are committed by people with extensive criminal histories. This is almost certainly true for violent crime in general. It takes time and practice to work up the anti-social behavior necessary to violently victimize other people, and this is not something that just happens overnight.

http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:kates201086&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20

It is YOU who needs to open his eyes and mind.

[gopiscrap]

27. How about reckless endangerment or

unlawful discharge of a weapon?

[GreenStormCloud]

9. It is still - as of the time of the article - being investigated.

Investigate first, then arrest.

[holdencaufield]

10. If you require an investigation ...

... prior to any arrest... how will I maintain my righteous indignation?

Outrage should be the priority over justice.

[4th law of robotics]

13. "Investigate first"

NRA TALKING POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He had a gun, is that not crime enough to justify arresting all of them without a trial?

[Eleanors38]

12. We note your deep seated bigotry, but "hillbillies?"...

In florida? Perhaps you have additional states on your hate list whose terrain has confused you?

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. The patina of 'tolerance' on some gun prohibitionists is rather thin, and tends to wear through

Check out this thread, where US gun culture is called a social disease:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117275097

[mikeb302000]

20. Have you ever been to the panhandle of FL? n.t.

[Eleanors38]

25. Plenty times. Drunk cracker with a backhoe can do better.nt

[glacierbay]

14. Sooooooooo

you were there at the scene, right Mike? You know better than the Police, right Mike? Why didn't you direct them to your crappy little blog so that you could "educate" them on the proper use of the law?
Many times I have used my discretion on a scene and not made and arrest, police can do that, Mike.

[mikeb302000]

21. Oh, you're a cop? Is that what you're telling us? n.t.

[glacierbay]

23. Yeah Mike, tha's what I'm telling you,

I'm a cop, have been for almost 30 years. That's why I know that the officers probably didn't make an arrest because they either,
A. Didn't have enough evidence to arrest and are continuing the investigation, which is more than likely the case, or,

B. No one wanted to file a complaint, or,

C. They're going to hand everything over to the DA's office and let them decide whether or not to file charges.

You see Mike, that's how it works in the US, I don't know how it works in Italy.

[mikeb302000]

30. Italy has nothing to do with anything.

Your simplistic explanation is bullshit. You cops do things for all kinds of reasons, not just the three you mentioned. In some cases they turn a blind eye and let people get away with things they shouldn't. In others they arrest people for nothing. In many cases cops don't take gun "accidents" as seriously as they should, maybe you're guilty of this one.

Criminal negligence is often a judgment call. This is where things are often not taken seriously enough.

[glacierbay]

32. Are you a cop Mike? Ever been one Mike?

Until you've walked in my shoes, don't even pretend to tell me how we handle incidents.

[mikeb302000]

38. Where exactly did I tell you how to handle incidents? n.t.

[glacierbay]

39. Your saying that my "simplistic explaination is bullshit"

and I'm telling you from years of experience that those 3 reasons for no arrest at the time are the 3 most likely reasons, now, unless through your long LEO career, you can point out where I'm wrong, then I will apologize, BTW, how many years were you a cop and where were you a cop, not the city, just the state.

[mikeb302000]

41. You talk like being a cop is the only way to understand these things.

Not true.

[sylvi]

17. Actually, Florida is usually somewhere in the middle of the pack

when it comes to gun violence, depending on whose stats you're looking at. For some reason though, it's become a favorite whipping boy when it comes to things gun-related. Lots of states have higher per capita rates. However, for some reason the news is lovingly sifted and cherry picked for anecdotes from Florida. I suspect it has more to do with residual animosity from the 2000 election debacle, which involved a relative handful of players and had nothing to do with guns, than anything else.

[mikeb302000]

22. It's not only the gun violence and availability in FL

that has earned it The Crown.

[Eleanors38]

26. Went for obama.nt

[sylvi]

33. Then what is it?

What egregious situations exist in Florida that aren't matched or surpassed in many other states? Did you drop your All-Day Sucker in the sand there once as a child or something? Show us on the doll where Mickey Mouse touched you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. *cough**cough*legaltrouble*cough**ahem*...

Just a guess, of course- but I have a sneaking suspicion FDLE might want to have a chat with one of our overseas posters...

[mikeb302000]

37. What kind of a stupid question is that?

Are you one who refuses to go to my links where you can read the answer to your stupid question?

[glacierbay]

40. Why won't you post your answer here?

Why should someone have to go to your blog? Unless of course, it's so you can make some money. Is that what it's all about Mike? Making money?
Just post the answer here instead of pimping your blog.

[mikeb302000]

43. I mentioned it a couple times already

I have no advertising on my blog and make no money from it. The hyperlink is a tool used on the internet. Your reluctance to use my links is just a trumped up excuse to attack me personally. Rather than stick with the argument, you quickly attack me for putting up links to flesh out the discussion. The fact that some of them go to my blog shouldn't matter except you pretend it does.

It's petty and derailing on your part.

[gejohnston]

29. Florida doesn't have hillbillies

because it doesn't have any hills. It is flatter than fucking Kansas.

It does have a lot of colonists from New York.

[mikeb302000]

31. "crackers" then. n.t.

[jpak]

35. Douchebags and their widdle guns

yup

[holdencaufield]

42. Gun Crimes in Italy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/11/italian-anarchists-kneecap-nuclear-executive


-- I'm sure glad I don't live in Italy -- it sounds AWFULLY violent.

[mikeb302000]

44. You might like this one.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/09/three-reasons-to-not-live-in-united.html

[holdencaufield]

45. No thanks ...

... I never click on unknown links. There's just too much sick porn out there.

[gejohnston]

46. I like my reply better

so did you vote for SB?