Open Carry Becomes Law in Oklahoma

[shadowrider]

Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- Governor Mary Fallin signed into law the Open Carry/Omnibus gun bill, Senate Bill 1733. Senate Bill 1733 is an omnibus firearm bill containing significant improvements to Oklahoma gun laws, including allowing concealed carry permit holders the choice of open carrying.

Other important provisions include language prohibiting persons, property owners and companies from banning ammunition in locked vehicles; changing the “immediate notification” requirement when a permit holder is stopped by a law enforcement officer to notification at “first opportunity” while also greatly reducing the associated fine for non-compliance; a provision allowing people to carry firearms openly without a permit on their private property; and revisions to the current Oklahoma statute striking the word “concealed” from Oklahoma firearm permit citations and applying the lawful open carrying of firearms to Oklahoma’s firearms preemption law. Additionally, this legislation will allow Sooner State military personnel stationed outside Oklahoma to obtain an Oklahoma permit. This new law becomes effective November 1, 2012.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/05/17/open-carry-becomes-law-in-oklahoma/#axzz1vK3eei5K

[Hoyt]

1. Gun culture can have a big annual festival and show off their stuff to the like "minded."

[NewMoonTherian]

3. I don't know if it will be big, but yeah.

We're gonna celebrate. Anti-gun culture would do the same thing, if they had anything to celebrate lately.

[Clames]

4. They had plenty of celebration...

...back in 1994. They are still clinging to those days for all they are worth.

[Simo 1939_1940]

6. I've posted a link to this article in The Nation a number of times.......

.......but I'm not sure it can be mentioned too frequently:

http://www.thenation.com/article/democrat-killer

[Simo 1939_1940]

5. Gee Hoyt -- I would think that this topic would serve as an

excellent opportunity for you to school us on the "Open Carry Loophole"!

[NewMoonTherian]

2. Big win for us in Oklahoma.

It's not perfect, but it improves so much on the current state of affairs, I'm thrilled. There's also a provision that says legal open carry cannot be punished as breaching the peace, creating a public disturbance or anything similar.

Law enforcement, of course, is absolutely sobbing over it. Mass confusion. Who's the good guy, who's the bad guy? A state senator and former officer actually said police will arrive on a crime scene and there will be 40 people standing around with guns. They all seem to be implying that Oklahoma cops are dumber than cops in the rest of the country, which, to be fair, I have no reason to doubt.

[ileus]

8. The good guy/girl is pretty much guaranteed to be the one with a Galco holster.

maybe a serpa or fobus...

[ileus]

7. Now if enough of us progressives would adopt OC we could make society better.

If enough Progressives would start OCin' to help it gain acceptance maybe we could once and for all show people firearms in civilian hands is a good thing.

Now get out there and exercise that right before some regressive decides that guns in holsters at soccer games is scary and intimidating and starts whining.

[Hoyt]

9. "Guns are progressive" -- LMAO.

[Starboard Tack]

10. Progressive, maybe not, but better the fool you see than the one you can't.

I'll take kelp flies over noseeums any day.

[Simo 1939_1940]

11. Well Hoyt......go ahead and laugh your ass off as you limp toward

the firearm legislation poorhouse.

We'll continue to stroll with gentle smiles on our faces to the bank.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. 2A is progressive. The Constitution is radical and liberal and ahead of its time.

[Hoyt]

13. Oh sure, denying women vote, condoning slavery, endorsing killing Native Americans for their land

are such progressive ideals.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. oh sure, all that is still in place, right - Hoyt?

what else was out there at that time that was any better? what is any better to this day?

[Hoyt]

16. Well, we need to make guns a thing of the past.

[beevul]

17. So...The real hoyt shows his colors at last, huh?

Not "we need to make gun carry a thing of the past".

Not "we need to make gun violence a thing of the past".

No qualifiers. No conditionals. No ifs ands or buts. Nothing to claim as misinterpretation, or room to claim you were quoted out of context.

Just simply "we need to make guns a thing of the past."



This is in fact, the first time I believe you've been completely honest about your position.

That being said...

Put your money where your big mouth is, and turn YOURS in first.


Or did you mean "we need to make guns a thing of the past (except hoyts).


Bookmarked.

[Simo 1939_1940]

19. While I've always *suspected* that this member harbors prohibitionist intent, I must say

that I need to give him a pass on this statement based on my own experience. In response to a direct question recently, I responded without qualifiers and conditionals impulsively/inattentively (in a state of fatigue) in a manner which made it appear that I don't oppose racist screeds on DU. *I* would be a hypocrite to go after Hoyt for this one.

My two cents.

edited for spelling

[Hoyt]

21. Perceptive. While I'd prefer guns to just fade away, I'm mostly against guns in public.

Sometimes you feel like you have to put in a long list of disclaimers and clarifications to even post a simple message here.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. mostly, guns in public are carried by government paid officials.

[NewMoonTherian]

27. Well let's disarm only the government paid officials. I think that's a pretty good compromise.

Let it never be said that I didn't reach out in the interest of public safety.

We can remove handguns from the police and sheriffs departments first. They can continue to have long guns in their vehicles and headquarters, at the discretion of local voters.

In return for this, I would expect the machine gun registry to be reopened or abolished.

[Simo 1939_1940]

29. So I guess we differ in that I take full responsibility for my poor communication

and inattentiveness while you deflect responsibility to fellow members who are "picking nits".

[beevul]

30. Don't back into anything...

Don't back into anything, while you are trying to walk back what you said.

This is what you said:

"Well, we need to make guns a thing of the past."

Thats ALL you said, and thats ALL OF what you said.

One poster was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not.

You knew exactly what you were posting when you posted it, and you knew exactly how it would be taken.

Just embrace it and be done with it, rather than trying to insult the intelligence of anyone that bothers to read it.

You own that statement, hoyt, and you own the crystal clear meaning attached to it.

And I will gladly refer to it in the future.

[Simo 1939_1940]

31. For what it's worth.......

..........our friend's dishonest deflection has given me pause & cause to retract my benefit of the doubt.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. let the Government get rid of theirs and stop declaring war.

This would be a good place to start wouldn't you agree? Do you like seeing your tax dollars being used to wage war?

on edit: note that these are more questions and you still have not answered the questions in my previous post.

[Hoyt]

20. One of those "chicken & egg" things -- if citizenry is planning to fight among themselves with guns,

why should we expect our government representatives to be any less callous, belligerent, and the like?

I agree with you on war, but the citizenry arming up does noting to stop that. If you plan on arming up to stop the government, then you can leave your guns at home until the revolution arrives. But, you want. You'll come up with some rationale to carry your guns in public.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. I don't plan on doing anything but, taking care of me and mine and helping others when I can.

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You get your meat your way and I will get mine my way and don't assume you know what I am thinking and don't try to put words in mouth.

[ileus]

23. If the government was the immediate threat to my family...

But it's not, Uncle Sam could turn in all his guns and all the real reasons to own self defense firearms would still exist.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. this is true and theirs is the evil. However, we as

individuals make up the government and therefore are ultimately the ones responsible for its actions otherwise we are periously close to taxation without representation which is, iirc, what started this country in the first place.


All I am trying to do is put food on my table and protect me and mine. What we as a country are trying to do with this "protect our way of life" I am not so sure and therein lies all the debate . . . .

[gejohnston]

15. none of which were in the Constitution

and has nothing to do with guns. Most of the Native Americans were killed by diseases such as small pox and other diseases they did not have immunity to. Some historians believe that some of it was intentional biological warfare. I honestly don't know enough to say either way.

[GreenStormCloud]

28. Mostly it was natural.

There were some instances of deliberate infection but the vast majority was just the natural sweep of disease. Much of the Hawaiian population died from measles. In modern times when an uncontacted tribe is found about half of them die from the initial contact. Sorry, I don't have a link for that. I read it some years ago in National Geographic.

[Trunk Monkey]

37. some of it was intentional biological warfare.

I'm not sure that people in the 19th century understood the disease process all that well.

[NewMoonTherian]

26. As far as I know, the Constitution never mentioned women voting until 1920.

It was up to the states. New Jersey allowed women to vote all along.

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

32. Now

If only Texas & Florida would get with the program of authorizing open carry as it should have been done a long time ago.

[spin]

33. As Florida depends largely on the tourist trade ...

I doubt that this will happen.

[gejohnston]

34. I wonder if Texas banned it for the same reason Florida did

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Mags/dark-secret-of-jim-crow.html

Watson v. Stone , 4. So.2d 700, 703 (Fla. 1941)

[alp227]

35. I've always wondered about open carry:

Would open carry deter people from doing ambush gun attacks?

[ileus]

36. We had a mini discussion today about that...

One guy in the hospital said if more people open carried that crazies (not really dumb) would avoid attacking.

I tend to disagree, I believe crazies just start shooting without a care of if someone may or may not be armed. Most are expecting to die or kill themselves anyway.


OC may deter someone from an armed robbery, or physical attack.

I like OC I consider it the most progressive form of carrying a firearm for self defense.