The NRA And 'Stand Your Ground' Laws

[SecularMotion]

Columnist E.J. Dionne sees an urgent need to repeal "Stand Your Ground" laws. They are, he wrote in a Washington Post piece, the result of political pressures brought by the National Rifle Association on politicians who "ought to know better but are too petrified by the NRA to confront it."

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/24/151294667/the-nra-and-stand-your-ground-laws

[ileus]

1. I agree we need 27 more states to pass SYG

[DonP]

2. E. J. Dionne is a relic of the '90's

He's been shilling for the DLC 3rd Way in his columns for years and perpetually yearns for 1992.

Why any paper still carries his syndicated column is beyond me. But I guess he just hasn't heard that the NRA has no real political power and the politicians can safely just ignore the NRA and their 4+ million voting members and extended families and friends and those annoying but pointless state organizations and the 11 to 12 million with CC permits with no political consequences.

Far smarter to listen to the handful of 1%ers that run Brady and MMM and their 14 members. (Or has the MMM totally disbanded, with their old leadership now serving time for gun crimes?)

But feel free to applaud his inanity and if you find any serious Dem running for office that quotes him or supports his ideas, let us all know. After all, anything's possible, since we have people here applauding Dick Cheney's Terrah Watch List, Scott Walker's Gun Bans in public buildings and now the Bank of America as a wise organization.

[safeinOhio]

6. Damn, they have 4+ million members that elected

Ted Nugent to the Board of Directors? Good thing this country has 300 million others in it that don't belong.

[DonP]

7. I'm sure you can point to other several larger voting blocs for gun control, right?

Oh, that's right, I forgot, gun control people don't really ever "do" anything about their beliefs. They just sit at their keyboards and whine about the success of the pro 2nd people.

Envy is such an ugly emotion.

[safeinOhio]

8. Fact is, I think the extremes on both sides

are nut case ideologues.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. I see evidence...

...that the extreme left is sinking into total socialism and that the right finds anarchy attractive. Neither is good.

[bongbong]

3. Why not???

We have to arm everybody!

If the fetuses were armed, there would never be an abortion! Yahoo!

[armueller2001]

16. funny you say that

I'm not aware of anyone who ever suggests arming everybody, except for prohibitionists.

[bongbong]

17. Nope

> I'm not aware of anyone who ever suggests arming everybody, except for prohibitionists.

You're just uninformed. Haven't you heard the NRA Talking Point about how an armed society is a "safe" society? How about the Talking Point that the more guns there are, the safer we all are? Failing those, how about the NRA Talking Point about how if everyone was armed, we wouldn't have massacres like Columbine?

You gotta keep up with the NRA Talking Points better!

[DonP]

19. Oh goodie! Another NRA "Expert"

Let me guess, you can't be bothered to actually prove any of your claims with cites or references, right?

So far you've misquoted a 1950's eras sci fi author and accurately quoted some statements by gun control fans about everyone being armed.

But we'd love to see those oft referenced NRA talking points any time you're ready?

No wonder gun control remains a losing issue.

[GreenStormCloud]

4. Those politicians were ELECTED by people who agreed with SYG. N/T

[jpak]

10. Yes - conservative republican assholes

yup

[iverglas]

18. let me ask again

Did everybody who voted for GWBush and his crew vote for invading Iraq?

You know as well as everybody else that very few people who voted for the Florida legislators responsible for its ugly laws in this regard had any clue about the issues involved, let alone based their vote on them.

[sarisataka]

5. Dionne did sum up the problem with DTR

although he was talking about SYG

because I think the problem is reasonable is one of those words that can become very, very subjective

In a nice nice cozy safe room with all the time in the world to consider every permutation an option available a person decides was it 'reasonable' that you could/should have retreated from the situation.
The reality was on a dark street you had a person coming at you aggressively with a club or knife or gun, you couldn't be sure in the night, and maybe there was an escape down that dark alley but the situation happened faster that the time it has taken to read this....

[jpak]

9. K&R - get rid of this lunacy

yup

[Hoyt]

11. What good is having gun or two in your pants if you can't shoot someone who kicks sand in your face?

Get rid of SYG and gun sales will drop by 32.5214%.

[gejohnston]

12. Been digging out those Charles Atlas ads?

[Hoyt]

13. Exactly what I was thinking about.

[ileus]

14. With your anger problems it's better you don't carry my friend.

[Simo 1939_1940]

15. Exactly what I was thinking about. NT