Benefit Concert for Brandon Baker Sunday (another victim of FL SYG vigilantism)

[jpak]

http://largo.patch.com/articles/benefit-concert-for-brandon-baker-sunday-a2d7c061#photo-9652480

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The 30 year-old Palm Harbor resident was shot and killed during a confrontation with another driver around 2 a.m. March 6 in East Lake's Boot Ranch neighborhood, according to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.

The state attorney's office is now investigating the shooting, which a sheriff's detective told Baker's father appeared to be a "stand your ground" case. The controversial Florida law allows people to protect themselves when they have a reasonable fear for their lives.

The man who shot Brandon Baker is a 23 year-old security guard named Seth Browning. Browning was off-duty at the time of the shooting and told detectives he followed Baker to get his license tag information because he was concerned about his driving. Baker, who was unarmed, was shot and killed during the confrontation that happened on a road leading to Baker's apartment. Browning says he fired when Baker allegedly hit him and continued to go after him after he sprayed Baker with mace (read previous coverage about the shooting).

Baker's father, Kevin Lindsay, who lives in Largo, does not see it as a "stand your ground case". He says says his son was on his way home from New Port Richey, where he and his twin brother Chris had picked up Chris' girlfriend Amy from work. Lindsay thinks Browning was the aggressor.

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yet another vigilante murder

yup

[saras]

1. Yep. Clearly another illegal harassment and murder.

"...a 23 year-old security guard named Seth Browning."
Not an officer of the law. Just an employee.

"Browning was off-duty at the time of the shooting"
Any limited authority he had on his employer's property - gone.

"and told detectives"
that is, he voluntarily confessed

"he followed Baker to get his license tag information"
illegal harassment right there. That's what police are for.

"because he was concerned about his driving."
I presume that if there were any specifics besides "skin color of driver" that they would be stated.

Even following while driving is questionable. Forcing the guy out of his car justifies HIM shooting YOU with a stand-your-ground defense.

You just don't, under any circumstances, get to pretend to be a cop when you're not. As a citizen you simply don't have that authority, and it is completely normal for people to reject it and assume you to be a thug.

[AH1Apache]

3. Whats illegal about following him to get his license tag number?

You do realize that a license tag number is the license plate don't you?
How do you know that he was pretending to be a cop? Where you there?
Even following while driving is questionable. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Throwing up the race card I see I.E., skin color of driver, It could be that the driver was driving erratically.
What does his being off duty have anything to do with it?

[PavePusher]

16. A few things....

("he followed Baker to get his license tag information"
illegal harassment right there. That's what police are for.)

And the police can do... what, exactly... with no identifying information? Following someone is not always, or even usually, illegal. You have to look at intent.


("because he was concerned about his driving." )

I've done this before. In Florida. Followed a driver who was definitely intoxicated, while calling police on my cell-phone. Gave licence plate #, make/model/color of car, location/direction and followed until police intercepted. Gave my statement to them and went home. They thanked me profusely. Apparently the guy was a frequent flyer.

As a Citizen you don't get the authority or obligations of police, but as a member of society, you have an obligation to help protect that society. Just don't pass the lawful limits in place.

[shadowrider]

20. ROFL.

Police: What is the plate number of the car you're following?

Caller: Don't know. Some anti gun advocate on DU said I'm starting trouble if I do that

Police: Where are you?

Caller: Can't tell you or else some anti gun advocate on DU will think I'm trailing and harassing.

Police: Is the driver white, black, hispanic, asian or islander?

Caller: Can't tell you or some anti gun advocate on DU will say I'm profiling, but you gotta get here fast or the driver is gonna kill somebody.

[AH1Apache]

2. And another dumba@@

jpak assumption before the investigation is done and all the facts are in. But we all know your agenda, all gun owners are either racist vigilantes, or, vigilantes.

[gejohnston]

6. Is Trevor Dooley a racist too?

why did he get only a $50K bond while Zimmerman got a $150K cash only? That happened in Florida too.

[sarisataka]

4. Or maybe it was self defense

From the linked article about the actual incident:

Detectives say the vehicles stopped on Seagull Lane. Brandon Baker got out of his truck and approached Seth Browning in an aggressive manner. Browning responded by using pepper spray on Brandon Baker and also on Christopher Baker, who by this time had got out of the BMW and had approached Browning's car.

According to investigators, Brandon continued to approach Browning's car. Deputies say Brandon then reached into Browning's vehicle and punched Browning, who in turn pulled out his gun and shot Brandon.

It sounds like Browning did not get out of his car, was facing one aggressive person who was punching him, with a second person joining the attacker. Pretty much the definition of disparity of force SYG or no.

-a couple other factors-
what was the relative size disparity between the parties?
was Browning's vehicle blocked by the other two so he had no option to retreat?
what was the concern about driving? was alcohol involved or were the brothers driving carelessly so as to cause Browning to call a report? I do that whenever I can identify a vehicle that is clearly a danger to other drivers. In the great majority of cases, I will cease following once I have given all important information but a few times it has been so hazardous that I will follow and stay on with 911 until the police arrive.

[jpak]

5. Browning was harassing Baker - and was playing the Gun Hero Vigilante card

yup

[gejohnston]

7. nope not harrassing.

so are you going to decry the racism in Trevor Dooley case?

[AH1Apache]

8. Only in your world jpak, only in your world.

If it were true, why wasn't he arrested?


yup, nope, yup, nope.

[jpak]

9. Because under stupid vigilante SYG laws - dead men tell no tales.

The shooter - who orchestrated the confrontation - had the only story told.

yup

[AH1Apache]

12. Boy oh Boy

So what your saying is that the investigators are a bunch of dumbasses who can't tell if the shooter is telling the truth or not? And that they can't analyze a scene and tell what happened? Your hatred of gun owners has really clouded your judgement.
BTW, you don't know what the fuck your talking about, dead men tell no tales? Uh, yes they do. Ever heard of forensics?

[jpak]

15. The investigators let Zimmerman walk, and they let this guy walk

This is what people were concerned about when JEB signed this stupid law.

Armed individuals would create a "situation".

Use a Second Amendment Solution

and hide behind SYG.

yup

[shadowrider]

17. If the investigators let Zimmerman walk, where's your outrage at them looking like complete dufus's

at the hearing?

They weren't prepared, they got chewed up and spit out. They got royally used and put up wet. If they had anything, Zimmerman wouldn't have walked.

Where's your outrage at them?

[gejohnston]

19. you have to be charged with something

before you can be arrested. It was still investigation, waiting awhile for charges even in murder is not that unusual. How was JEB's SYG different than Illinois passed in 1961?

[sarisataka]

14. Driving on a public road=harassment

Glad you are not a DA or is there a DTR to retreat from roads where other drivers may become violent.

and was playing the Gun Hero Vigilante car

I'll bite... how many punches/how much physical damage should he have taken before defending himself?
... or is 'hassling' other drivers a capital offense now?

[jpak]

18. What is the evidence that Browning was "punched"

only his statement after the murder.

The guy was trying to play "cop" and be a hero.

yup

[AH1Apache]

21. Hey Jpak

there would be evidence of him being punched, you know, like that pesky little thing called a bruise or cut or whatever. The cops wouldn't just take his word for it.
Jeeeeez Hoyt, I mean Jpak, you make this just to damned easy.

[jpak]

23. What evidence was cited?

none

yup

[shadowrider]

24. Those two give responses that are beyond dumb.

But they truly are good for a laugh.

[jpak]

25. The story stated "allegedly hit" - on the basis of the shooters statement

not any physical evidence.

yup

[AH1Apache]

29. You don't know if there was any physical evidence or not

The cops aren't going to go on just his word, there had to be physical evidence or the other brother confirmed what happened. At this point we just don't know but, hey, facts don't matter to you do they?

[shadowrider]

30. I gotta shake my head at people who want all evidence up and online within minutes

and the police NEVER do that. They ALWAYS hold something back. No evidence to support the guys story? He's freakin guilty period.

[gejohnston]

31. the media always use the word "allegedly" because

it keeps them from getting sued.

[shadowrider]

22. Where is YOUR evidence he wasn't?

[sarisataka]

26. Let's see...

-it was in the article, ok
-there were two other witnesses who would have no reason to support Browning, quite the opposite...

I guess it makes sense that it would just be made up...

http://palmharbor.patch.com/articles/security-guard-was-triggerman-in-deadly-shooting#photo-9294323

[shadowrider]

10. You know Jpak, honestly, you need to stop. You're making the anti-gun movement look dumb

For people who are lurking, they won't believe the stuff you spout.

[jpak]

11. nope

and the lurkers can suck it

yup

[AH1Apache]

13. Wow jpak

that was a well thought out response. Please keep it up, your kind are the best thing that has happened to the pro gun movement.

[oneshooter]

28. WOW!!! Another person convicted without a trial!

I guess you want to pull the handle on this one too.



Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[gejohnston]

27. vigilanteism may ass

how about looking up what the fucking word means?

The man who shot Brandon Baker is a 23 year-old security guard named Seth Browning. Browning was off-duty at the time of the shooting and told detectives he followed Baker to get his license tag information because he was concerned about his driving. Baker, who was unarmed, was shot and killed during the confrontation that happened on a road leading to Baker's apartment. Browning says he fired when Baker allegedly hit him and continued to go after him after he sprayed Baker with mace (read previous coverage about the shooting).

In other words, Browning used lethal force only after less than lethal defenses failed.
and I really don't give a rat's ass what Baker's daddy says. I'm sure Teresina Capone thought her son Alphonse was an innocent businessman too.

[TPaine7]

32. This is insanity:

...The controversial Florida law allows people to protect themselves when they have a reasonable fear for their lives.

What's the world coming to?! That sentence is insane on its face.

[ileus]

33. Hopefully this was a righteous shooting...a little more investigation never hurts.

[Cronkite]

34. Sounds like another "Wanna be" cop.

I am "concerned" with other peoples driving every day but all I DO is avoid their stupidity.
I suspect there is more to the story than what the shooter is admitting.