Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:25 AM

Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again...

Lots of pure BS has been spewing forth from the expected sources since this terrible murder of the young man in Sanford. From all the information I have gathered (which is from MSM), their is almost NO WAY the Florida Castle Doctrine can apply to this situation. Yes, he can claim it, but it will offer no defense... Especially with him chasing the man down and gunning him down in the street.

When you are chasing your "assailant" you are quite obviously not in fear for your life. Mr Neighborhood watch captain is in very hot water. I fully expect him to serve time in prison when all is said and done. Don't believe me? Here is the statute so you can read it for yourself. So if anyone spouts BS about the law, expect for someone to point out that you clearly did not read it.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

The real issue here is WHY the Police did not arrest him on the spot. When they say the Castle law won't let them, they CLEARLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LAW... Read if for yourself.... It clearly does not apply in this situation.. Just because Florida law, does not require you to retreat, it DOES NOT allow you to pursue and kill.

That being said, all the gun control advocates are giddy, and think this is a turning point in their movement, LOL. Time for a reality check. I took this photo a while back at a grocery store's magazine rack... This photo shows the entire rack.. If you look closely their is about 17 different publications dedicated to firearms...And not a single "gun control monthly" in sight. They would not be for sale, if their was not a demand.

As much as they may hate it, firearms, are truly mainstream and all the wishing in the world will not change that, and the harder they push, the more we win, The only backlash I can see started in 1994 and it's still going on.

Calls for Gun Control tend to be answered with even LESS gun control, this tends to happen when a vocal minority starts screaming for legislation that a much larger and highly motivated group utterly hates, and the larger group is more than willing to open their wallets, and get in touch with their legislators and remind them of that fact.....So, call away....It helps your opposition win.

Problem is, it tends to be the REPUBLICANS that stand to gain from the calls, and we all pay the price.

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Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again... (Original post)	virginia mountainman	Mar 2012	OP
The real issue is easy availability of guns and ammo and the attitude that guns are ok.	bowens43	Mar 2012	#1
Thank you...	movonne	Mar 2012	#2
No valid reason. So I guess you're ok with bad guys killing innocent victims	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#3
Dig	era veteran	Mar 2012	#15
I think it is ridiculous to think that only agents of the state can save me from harm.	Atypical Liberal	Mar 2012	#4
Nor do they have a legal obligation to 'save' anyone. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#44
You sound just like....	one-eyed fat man	Mar 2012	#5
"there is no valid reason to allow anyone outside of law enforcement to possess hand guns"	Upton	Mar 2012	#7
So why do you think America is enjoying historically low levels of gun violence?	hack89	Mar 2012	#9
Could it be...	orwell	Mar 2012	#22
So if it is not guns per se but a particular demographic with guns that is the problem	hack89	Mar 2012	#23
Except in most large urban areas	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#26
They are lower in LA	hack89	Mar 2012	#32
Care to provide some hard numbers. nt	hack89	Mar 2012	#33
Lowest in 48 years for Atlanta	hack89	Mar 2012	#35
update on Atlanta	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#76
Murders down 14 percent in Chicago.	hack89	Mar 2012	#36
That was 2010, this is 2012	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#77
Washington DC had their lowest number of murders in decades	hack89	Mar 2012	#37
NY NY crime up this year in 34 o 76 precincts.	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#71
They might be even safer without so many guns.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#78
Criminals will always get all the guns they want.	hack89	Mar 2012	#80
Yea, because the gun obsessed keep buying more and more hoping to satiate some strange needs.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#81
Think carefully about my drug reference - it was a clue. nt	hack89	Mar 2012	#83
yep, we grow the gunz up here in Canada	iverglas	Mar 2012	#107
cough I think you just made his point for him. Bravo! n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#41
Sure thing, shares- or is it Don Caballero?	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#53
this is extremism and not what the majority in this country want.	rl6214	Mar 2012	#119
There is a demand for child porn too, but that is being dealt with.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#6
No it won't. Americans know enough to look beyond the emotions at the hard fact.	hack89	Mar 2012	#10
Suuuure it'll happen just as in Australia. Check this out:	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#12
That's a dynamic map of a nation heading for a crisis.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#13
Sounds like a title of a Marvel comic from the '60s...	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#19
I see it as the spread of liberalism...	Clames	Mar 2012	#20
Blue on that map does not mean Democratic.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#27
Can you explain why violent crime is at a 40 year low?	DonP	Mar 2012	#39
Also from FBI.gov	Loudly	Mar 2012	#42
Gun ownership up while murders are down	hack89	Mar 2012	#52
moon made of cheese while murders are down	iverglas	Mar 2012	#108
The University of Chicago, the VPC, and NORC all recieve funding from the Joyce Foundation.	Dr_Scholl	Mar 2012	#109
But	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#110
wouldn't know	iverglas	Mar 2012	#111
if the manufactures are publicly traded	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#112
as I was saying	iverglas	Mar 2012	#131
Well	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#114
c'mon back down to earth now	iverglas	Mar 2012	#132
I tend to agree.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2012	#137
So what's the problem then?	hack89	Mar 2012	#117
And rifles of all types account for less than 2.7% of crimes with guns	DonP	Mar 2012	#75
And monkeys MIGHT fly out of my butt.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#95
Nope.	krispos42	Mar 2012	#30
"gun ownership"?	iverglas	Mar 2012	#133
When is the last time	rrneck	Mar 2012	#21
You keep asking the wrong question.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#29
Nice dodge.	rrneck	Mar 2012	#34
I see your lips moving, but what I hear is	Loudly	Mar 2012	#93
What about all the parents with infants carrying guns?	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#96
Carrying a young child is a protective shield in itself.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#100
My three month old daughter will	Oneka	Mar 2012	#116
Still dodging.	rrneck	Mar 2012	#105
No surprise about this absurd stupidity that gun nuts always display! -- n/t	mazzarro	Mar 2012	#8
I could reverse that comment ...	spin	Mar 2012	#49
Let's hope for continued progress for peoples 2A civil rights.	ileus	Mar 2012	#11
Your imaginary 2A rights threaten to deprive you of all your genuine rights.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#14
I am wondering	era veteran	Mar 2012	#16
You can choose not to take advantage of a right.	Pacafishmate	Mar 2012	#17
Why? We don't tolerate air polluters, smokers are banned in a lot of places -- why not guns?	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#84
Smoking is not a right, smoking directly harms other people.	Pacafishmate	Mar 2012	#134
Like adding more guns to society doesn't.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#135
Imaginary?	Clames	Mar 2012	#18
Sure, just like not having to share the bathroom with black folks was.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#28
Yet the odds of me being murdered have never been lower.	hack89	Mar 2012	#38
Will that be any consolation to you when the bullets are entering your body?	Loudly	Mar 2012	#45
There are many other things that are more likely to kill me first	hack89	Mar 2012	#51
How about...	beevul	Mar 2012	#54
PPR (tombstoned) posters are not allowed to return, shares.	beevul	Mar 2012	#43
Whoever that person is or was, we obviously agree.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#47
Clearly.	beevul	Mar 2012	#48
apparently there is much to aggree on.	Oneka	Mar 2012	#118
Well done	rl6214	Mar 2012	#120
Ahh, nvm, I see I wasn't the first to notice PPR'd Resurrection. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#46
So you're saying anti's are going to murder me?	ileus	Mar 2012	#50
How does that possibly follow from what I've said?	Loudly	Mar 2012	#94
Define "right."	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#97
A claim to a freedom, power or immunity?	Loudly	Mar 2012	#101
"What are you looking at?"	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#24
Nah, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL gun owners are responsible people who never get MAD, and NEVER snap.	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#31
Here is one from Naples, Florida with 21,000 people	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#40
That's not quite what you said- but that's okay.	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#56
Do you think DISNEY should let their employees PACK HEAT too?	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#57
Something wrong with your caps lock?	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#60
You didn't answer any of my questions.	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#61
Nah. Answer my question. It was first.	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#63
Disney is free to ban guns on its' property. As for school personnel carrying...	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#66
I don't know of any concealed carry licenses that allow carry in amusement parks	rl6214	Mar 2012	#121
Interesting, but you didn't answer the question	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#62
Another "you can buy guns at Wal-Mart without ID" statement, it would seem.	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#55
To be more specific	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#64
Irrelevant	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#67
I asked first, you answer first.	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#72
Answer my LEGAL questions	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#73
This message was self-deleted by its author	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#98
That depends.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#99
All? No.	Lizzie Poppet	Mar 2012	#86
Yeah, right.	TheCowsCameHome	Mar 2012	#25
Zimmerman is alive, free and armed today thanks to "stand your ground"	jpak	Mar 2012	#58
He had a history of Domestic Violence and resisting arrest	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#59
Did Martin have a history of violence (At least at school)?	shadowrider	Mar 2012	#65
He was suspended from school once	HockeyMom	Mar 2012	#74
It was for tardiness	Cirque du So-What	Mar 2012	#89
In FL, tardiness + hoodie = capital crime enforced by asshole vigilantes	jpak	Mar 2012	#126
since Zimmerman lives in a gated community	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#127
No - they maybe learned it in your state	jpak	Mar 2012	#128
most transplants	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#129
What are you trying to say?	secondvariety	Mar 2012	#106
was he convicted of domestic violence?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#123
"...thanks to the corrupt SPD"	eqfan592	Mar 2012	#104
Stand your ground laws are vigilante enabler and protector laws	jpak	Mar 2012	#125
Don't be so sure	Oneka	Mar 2012	#68
I suspect a few antis would rather Martin's family go without justice...	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#87
I don't think that picture illustrates the point you're trying to make.	jeff47	Mar 2012	#69
A magazine devoted to the AR-15 makes sense in today's marketplace.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#70
And for all those manufacturers...	Clames	Mar 2012	#90
You could always go to Gunbroker.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#91
I did.	Clames	Mar 2012	#92
I didn't know they were that hard to find lately.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#102
Buy a stripped lower and build a custom gun yourself.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#115
Build one yourself, they are inexpensive, easy to build and a lot of fun to build	rl6214	Mar 2012	#122
You're right, gun contorollers are so much more "state of the art" people	DonP	Mar 2012	#79
You do realize there are people who aren't "gun contorollers" nor enthusiasts, right?	jeff47	Mar 2012	#82
Actually they do change that much	DonP	Mar 2012	#85
+1	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#103
Separate, concurring opinion	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#88
What a thin, poorly written, and disconnected thesis	Kolesar	Mar 2012	#113
They should put those behind the counter with black wrapping too...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#124
Why? Do you find the covers and articles obscene?	oneshooter	Mar 2012	#130
Gun Owners Caucus of your state Democratic Party	thomasprescottjr	Mar 2012	#136

Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:41 AM

bowens43 (16,064 posts)

1. The real issue is easy availability of guns and ammo and the attitude that guns are ok.

They are NOT ok and there is no valid reason to allow anyone outside of law enforcement to posses hang guns or ammunition.

Unfortunately people in this country have apparently gone insane. No civilized nation can allow people to walk around with hand guns.

And you're right , the supporters of the death merchants will continue to drag our nation into the third world.

better egg on my face then blood on my hands........

Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again...

1. The real issue is easy availability of guns and ammo and the attitude that guns are ok.

2. Thank you...

3. No valid reason. So I guess you're ok with bad guys killing innocent victims

15. Dig

4. I think it is ridiculous to think that only agents of the state can save me from harm.

44. Nor do they have a legal obligation to 'save' anyone. n/t

5. You sound just like....

7. "there is no valid reason to allow anyone outside of law enforcement to possess hand guns"

9. So why do you think America is enjoying historically low levels of gun violence?

22. Could it be...

23. So if it is not guns per se but a particular demographic with guns that is the problem

26. Except in most large urban areas

32. They are lower in LA

33. Care to provide some hard numbers. nt

35. Lowest in 48 years for Atlanta

76. update on Atlanta

36. Murders down 14 percent in Chicago.

77. That was 2010, this is 2012

37. Washington DC had their lowest number of murders in decades

71. NY NY crime up this year in 34 o 76 precincts.

78. They might be even safer without so many guns.

80. Criminals will always get all the guns they want.

81. Yea, because the gun obsessed keep buying more and more hoping to satiate some strange needs.

83. Think carefully about my drug reference - it was a clue. nt

107. yep, we grow the gunz up here in Canada

41. *cough* I think you just made his point for him. Bravo! n/t

53. Sure thing, shares- or is it Don Caballero?

119. this is extremism and not what the majority in this country want.

6. There is a demand for child porn too, but that is being dealt with.

10. No it won't. Americans know enough to look beyond the emotions at the hard fact.

12. Suuuure it'll happen just as in Australia. Check this out:

13. That's a dynamic map of a nation heading for a crisis.

19. Sounds like a title of a Marvel comic from the '60s...

20. I see it as the spread of liberalism...

27. Blue on that map does not mean Democratic.

39. Can you explain why violent crime is at a 40 year low?

42. Also from FBI.gov

52. Gun ownership up while murders are down

108. moon made of cheese while murders are down

109. The University of Chicago, the VPC, and NORC all recieve funding from the Joyce Foundation.

110. But

111. wouldn't know

112. if the manufactures are publicly traded

131. as I was saying

114. Well

132. c'mon back down to earth now

137. I tend to agree.

117. So what's the problem then?

75. And rifles of all types account for less than 2.7% of crimes with guns

95. And monkeys MIGHT fly out of my butt.

30. Nope.

133. "gun ownership"?

21. When is the last time

29. You keep asking the wrong question.

34. Nice dodge.

93. I see your lips moving, but what I hear is

96. What about all the parents with infants carrying guns?

100. Carrying a young child is a protective shield in itself.

116. My three month old daughter will

105. Still dodging.

8. No surprise about this absurd stupidity that gun nuts always display! -- n/t

49. I could reverse that comment ...

11. Let's hope for continued progress for peoples 2A civil rights.

14. Your imaginary 2A rights threaten to deprive you of all your genuine rights.

16. I am wondering

17. You can choose not to take advantage of a right.

84. Why? We don't tolerate air polluters, smokers are banned in a lot of places -- why not guns?

134. Smoking is not a right, smoking directly harms other people.

135. Like adding more guns to society doesn't.

18. Imaginary?

28. Sure, just like not having to share the bathroom with black folks was.

38. Yet the odds of me being murdered have never been lower.

45. Will that be any consolation to you when the bullets are entering your body?

51. There are many other things that are more likely to kill me first

54. How about...

43. PPR (tombstoned) posters are not allowed to return, shares.

47. Whoever that person is or was, we obviously agree.

48. Clearly.

118. apparently there is much to aggree on.

41. cough I think you just made his point for him. Bravo! n/t

56. That's not quite what you said- but that's okay.