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Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:41 PM

Guns and waiting periods

There have been many proposals for waiting periods longer the 3 days, up 6 months or a year on the high end.

Lately there have been a few posts around DU of people who never before have considered owning a gun questioning if they may have to buy one in the near future. Should those people decide to purchase a gun, based on real or perceived threat, they may find that will not be able to take the gun home until the waiting period has elapsed.

Considering that there may be a more immediate need during critical times, would those who support long waiting periods (let's arbitrarily define long as greater than 7 days) believe the waiting period be reduced or waived during specific crisis time e.g a natural disaster or declared national emergencies?

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Reply Guns and waiting periods (Original post)
sarisataka Mar 14 OP
marble falls Mar 14 #1
Straw Man Mar 19 #7
marble falls Mar 19 #8
Straw Man Mar 20 #9
marble falls Mar 20 #10
friendly_iconoclast Mar 20 #11
marble falls Mar 20 #12
friendly_iconoclast Mar 20 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 20 #14
friendly_iconoclast Mar 20 #15
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 20 #16
Straw Man Mar 24 #18
friendly_iconoclast Monday #19
Ohiogal Mar 14 #2
marble falls Mar 14 #3
friendly_iconoclast Mar 14 #4
SQUEE Mar 22 #17
HeartachesNhangovers Mar 18 #5
Straw Man Mar 19 #6

Response to sarisataka (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:46 PM

1. Waits cut deaths. And no. In a disaster I do not want to meet the neighborhood Adolf Hitler ...

packing the gun he bought to 'help' the police maintain control.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:56 AM

7. Ah, Hitler.

And right out of the gate, too.

Is it that guns make one Hitler, or that only Hitlers want guns? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:19 AM

8. A little sensitive this morning, aren't we? I don't want to meet the neighborhood ...

fascist with the weapon he picked up to help the local constabulary keep order. You know, like the "militias" that showed up at the border to help Border Patrol.

Better?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 07:04 AM

9. Keep order?

Privately owned non-sporting weapons are for the purpose of self-defense only. That's a legal distinction.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:15 AM

10. And we all know how careful of legal distintions every gun owner is, right? I wonder who ...

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it is breaking all the gun laws and murdering and robbing folks are? Not gun owners, am I right?

I'm done. I've no patience for splitting hairs.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:25 AM

11. "I'm done." Good, no more Godwins and cartoons

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:30 AM

12. Or insults. Your agument seems to "gun owners never break gun laws." Support it.

Here's some context for you:


US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

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People wait in a line to enter a gun store in Culver City, California, on Sunday. Photograph: Ringo HW Chiu/AP

Not even keeping social distancing, are they?

Ed Pilkington in New York
@edpilkington

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Mon 16 Mar 2020 14.10 EDT
Last modified on Wed 18 Mar 2020 06.55 EDT


Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

On the west coast, long lines of customers were queueing up outside gun stores to stock up on deadly materials. At the Martin B Retting gun shop in Culver City, California, the queues stretched round the block throughout the weekend.

One customer told the LA Times: “Politicians and anti-gun people have been telling us for the longest time that we don’t need guns. But right now, a lot of people are truly scared, and they can make that decision themselves.”

Larry Hyatt, owner of one of the country’s largest gun shops, Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, North Carolina, told the Guardian that the scenes of mass buying at his store were virtually unprecedented. “This is only the second time in my 61 years of business that we’ve seen anything like this,” he said, adding that the first occasion was the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut in 2012.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles.

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.”

A major online dealer of ammunition, Ammo.com, has put out figures for sales from 23 February to 4 March that give an indication of the scale of the surge. In that 11-day period sales increased 68% compared to the 11 days up to 23 February.

Sales were especially pronounced in North Carolina and Georgia, which experienced a leap of 179% and 169% respectively. Other states with large increases included Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Illinois and New York.

In a statement, Ammo.com’s marketing manager, Alex Horsman, said: “We know certain things impact ammo sales, mostly political events or economic instability when people feel their rights may end up infringed. This is our first experience with a virus leading to such a boost in sales.”

Apart from general anxiety surrounding coronavirus, some gun sale spikes appeared to have specific causes. The Trace reported that in Washington state and California, locations of early outbreaks of the virus, gun sales increased acutely propelled by Asian Americans fearful that they could face xenophobic and racist violence against their families given that the original source of coronavirus was China.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure. They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese,” David Liu, a Chinese-American gun dealer outside Los Angeles, told the Trace.

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:33 AM

13. I'll thank you to take your words out of my mouth- no telling where they've been...

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Response to marble falls (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:44 PM

14. Here is a CDC tool if you want to do some research

https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
[ For ages 14 to under 18, there were 3900 deaths due to all causes. Of those 1299 were firearm related. Let me point out that of those 618, the manner of death was determined as suicide. ]

I am truly sorry for those people who feel the need to fix blame for the virus outbreak and somehow punish or hurt an ethnic group. These folks, who blame Asians, are simple minded at best and, IMO, tend to think with their glands rather than their brains.

However, there have been events that by precedents justify both caution and planning on the part of potentially targeted groups. I live paycheck to paycheck and have concerns about my work and income halting. I am certain many Asians have the same concerns. My life conditions and situations do not permit me to have adequate time or resources to train with a firearm. I feel that the individual is probably the best suited and informed for making his own assessments and decisions. I have faith in people.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 09:13 PM

15. What we see here is xenophobia directed at gun owners, instead of Asian people

Phobias are not amenable to reason.

The mindset of the two groups is all but identical, only the subject of their hatred is different.

But thanks for posting actual researched evidence, as opposed to frothing hatred of some perceived 'other'

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 20, 2020, 09:45 PM

16. information is never a waste and always a pleasure to share

You're welcome 😁

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Response to marble falls (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:37 AM

18. Every gun owner?

I'm not THAT straw man.

Hard to break a gun law if you don't own a gun, I'll grant you that. Meaningless truism, though. What else ya got?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:03 PM

19. The subject of guns brings out the Pamela Geller in certain people

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Response to sarisataka (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:49 PM

2. When they get rid of

the inane 48 hour waiting period for abortion....

Then we’ll talk.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:23 PM

3. And even then.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

4. "Then we'll talk" Why wait? Whataboutism is never acceptable

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:35 PM

17. Hmmm

I wonder if you would tell me slippery slopes are a fallacy?

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Response to sarisataka (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2020, 09:36 PM

5. Interesting question, and I don't know the answer.

I suspect that a person who has generally supported all kinds of gun control measures, including waiting periods, would be inclined to accept a waiting period rather than agitate for suspension of those waiting periods, even to get themselves a gun more quickly.

It's a moot point because politicians who support gun control probably believe that a period of high social tension is the worst time to allow people to arm themselves. Law enforcement brass in gun-unfriendly areas would definitely not support any relaxation of waiting periods - and politicians are not going to ignore law enforcement on something like this.

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Response to sarisataka (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:54 AM

6. Hmm ...

I never really understood the rationale for waiting periods. Is it a suicide-prevention measure? That erroneously presupposes that there aren't plenty of either readily available methods of doing oneself in. Is it to prevent heat-of-the-moment rage killings? That overlooks the fact that heated moments pass very quickly but grudges can be nurtured for a long, long time.

The biggest inanity of all is the fact that waiting periods apply even to people who already own guns: "Let's see ... I want to kill my neighbor, but this old Smith & Wesson just isn't going to cut it. If I can't get a Glock, I'm not going to do it."

But no, I see the pendulum swinging the other way. Waiving waiting periods in times of crisis runs counter to the gun-control article of faith that states that guns are never any good and that access to them should be restricted as much as possible.

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