HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Topics » Justice & Public Safety » Gun Control & RKBA (Group) » '1 Million Americans Will...

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:55 PM

'1 Million Americans Will Be Shot in the Next Decade'

&feature=emb_logo

9 replies, 3569 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 9 replies Author Time Post
Reply '1 Million Americans Will Be Shot in the Next Decade' (Original post)
Cattledog Jan 30 OP
msongs Jan 30 #1
krispos42 Jan 30 #6
hack89 Jan 30 #2
JDC Jan 30 #3
ManiacJoe Jan 30 #4
jmg257 Jan 30 #5
The Mouth Jan 31 #7
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 1 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 4 #9

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:06 PM

1. its what gun owners allow. whats a million corpses compared to their 2A "rights" nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:54 PM

6. 300,000, of which 200,000 would be suicides

Shot does not equal death.

Oh, yeah, and 50,000 people will be murdered with non-guns.

4,000,000 will die from smoking, and at the current rate 700,000 will die from opioid overdoses.

But hey, you get to feel superior to gun owners, so that's totally worth it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:31 PM

2. Can you put that number into some sort of context?

If you were to list the things that hurt or kill people, what number would it be? Thanks in advance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:50 PM

3. Ah, Freedom

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:00 PM

4. Given that the majority are/will-be suicides,

proper secured storage goes a long way to solving that problem.

Criminals doing criminal things is a separate problem with separate solutions.

Negligence and "accidents" is a third problem with separate solutions.

Unfortunately for the doctors, none of these problems lend themselves to a medical solution.

Otherwise, context is everything and is missing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:58 PM

5. Great point nearly 2/3. Hope we can increase the number of doctors & programs who/that can help.

"Nearly two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US are suicides"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:30 AM

7. Gun grabbers don't need "context"

Gunz = bad, case closed (for them). To their minds, if you even WANT a gun you are a deranged fascist.

And not only would secured storage be greatly helpful in preventing suicide, but some statistics show that stolen guns are a major source of the guns actually used in crimes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 11:49 AM

8. Real data

All data is raw numbers where the cause is a firearm without age adjustment for 2015 nationwide for a population of 321,039,839.

Non-fatal Injuries: 84,997

Deaths: 36,252
~Unintentional- 489
~Homicide- 12,979
~Legal Intervention- 484
~Suicide- 22,018
~Undetermined- 282

Total deaths and injuries: 121,249

Sources:
https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates.html
https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:43 PM

9. Information I get from the video

About 45 seconds into the video the number of domestic firearm deaths and injuries is given as approximately 65,000. As I reported in post #8 [ https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172209221#post8 ] the CDC's database reports a total of 121,249 injuries and deaths In 2015.

Fatal firearm injuries for 2017 are 39,773. For 2016 that number is 38,658.

*Since this number is rising I suspect the number of injuries is also rising and I believe the number of 65,000 presented in the video is wrong and too low.

"...the American College of Physicians provide some recommendations..." The NRA responded by saying 'stay in your lane'. A lot of the doctors were "incensed".

*Summary: The NRA was rude and disrespectful and lots of doctors were justifiably upset. Being treated with rudeness and disrespect is wrong but that doesn't validate the ACPs recommendations.

One doctor explains that doctors also have responsibilities in the area of preventing deaths and injuries. I have no argument there but this video presents none of the recommendations made which prompted the NRA to act rudely and respond dismissively about those recommendations.

Overall the video is about an argument over an exchange between 2 organizations on the topic of firearm safety and injuries. None of the actual causes of violence are addressed. No recommendations to abate those issues or mitigate their effects on society are even mentioned. There is no link to find them.

Like most of what is being covered, posted or discussed in the media, this 10 minute video does prompt people to take sides but does nothing to spur discussion on productive legislation or executive response at any level of government.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread