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Sun Dec 15, 2019, 12:37 PM

For those who don't believe in ghosts

Good video from the NYT.
Any opinions on ghost guns?
Care to share?

Ghost gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_gun

In the United States, a ghost gun is a firearm made by an individual, without serial numbers or other identifying markings. The term is used by gun control advocates, gun rights advocates, law enforcement, and some in the firearm industry. By making the gun themselves, owners may legally bypass background checks and registration regulations. Under U.S. federal law, the creation and possession of ghost guns by individuals for personal use is allowed. In contrast, firearms for sale or distribution must bear manufacturer's markings and unique serial numbers, and a federal license is required to manufacture them.Some states have passed laws restricting ghost guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006827740/ghost-guns-untraceable-weapons.html

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discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 15 OP
friendly_iconoclast Dec 16 #1
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 03:30 PM

1. I don't believe requiring serial numbers will impact illegal use very much, if at all

Criminals will move to entirely homemade guns, as see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+submachine+guns&source=lmns&bih=713&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US&ved=2ahUKEwiRyImngLvmAhUDWt8KHZk4ARsQ_AUoAHoECAEQAA

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/queensland-police-find-sophisticated-gun-manufacting-workshop/8051244

Queensland Police have charged five people after finding homemade machine guns, a weapons factory and drug labs during raids on the Gold Coast.

Police and Australian Border Force officers searched four homes and two businesses last Friday.

At an industrial shed in Nerang, police found four machine guns, a commercial pill press, weapons manufacturing equipment, silencers, a 3D printer and drugs.

Detective Superintendent Jon Wacker said he believed it was the first time police had seen machine gun manufacturing in Queensland...



https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/homemade-submachine-guns-seized-near-edmonton-1.3558129


Homemade submachine guns seized near Edmonton

Jackie Dunham
CTVNews.ca Published Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:15PM EDT Last Updated Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:35PM EDT

Alberta law enforcement officials have seized four prohibited firearms, including two homemade MAC-11 submachine guns, and arrested two suspects in Edmonton following an eight-month investigation.

The guns were allegedly manufactured at a “professional grade” machinist shop, located just west of Edmonton, according to a press release by Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT) on Wednesday. The owner of the shop was not aware of the guns, the release said.

ALERT Edmonton’s Guns and Gangs unit, with the help of Edmonton police and RCMP, confiscated a Beretta handgun equipped with a suppressor, a modified Suomi submachine gun with two oversized magazines and two homemade MAC-11 submachine guns with suppressors and oversized magazines.

Investigators are still looking into how many MAC-11 submachine guns were produced. They believe some of the weapons have already made their way to the criminal market.


...while legal gun owners will buy serialized kits, to save money and/or just to make something themselves-
like the narrator found out, making stuff is fun.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:20 AM

2. Things evolve

Pennsylvania state police told to treat 'ghost guns' parts as firearms
https://6abc.com/pa-state-police-told-to-treat-ghost-guns-parts-as-firearms/5759965/
Democratic Attorney General Josh Shapiro issued a legal opinion to the Pennsylvania State Police that the gun frames, also known as "80% receivers," qualify as firearms.
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"No single factor is dispositive," Shapiro told Evanchick. The police "must weigh all the applicable factors together to determine whether a receiver 'may be readily converted' to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive."

Shapiro said the guns are increasingly being found in the hands of people who are barred from possessing firearms. He said the attorney general's office found felons purchasing the kits at recent gun shows in the Philadelphia suburbs, York and Harrisburg. More than 100 ghost guns have been seized from prohibited purchasers in Philadelphia this year, he said.

I does make more sense to me to consider the function of the component items rather than taking the step requiring the manufacturer to serialize anything which qualifies as an 80% unit.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:39 PM

3. There's a great documentary on Netflix on them

Here's a bit of it


Truly impressive, seeing these folks building pretty darn functional 1911s from scratch, in the mountains.

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