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Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:03 PM

In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws

Source: Washington Post

In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws

By Gregory S. Schneider
11/23/2019, 8:00:00 a.m.

AMELIA COURTHOUSE, Va. — Families, church groups, hunt clubs and neighbors began arriving two hours early, with hundreds spilling out of the little courthouse and down the hill to the street in the chilly night air.

They were here to demand that the Board of Supervisors declare Amelia County a “Second Amendment sanctuary” where officials will refuse to enforce any new restrictions on gun ownership.

A resistance movement is boiling up in Virginia, where Democrats rode a platform on gun control to historic victories in state elections earlier this month. The uprising is fueled by a deep cultural gulf between rural red areas that had long wielded power in Virginia and the urban and suburban communities that now dominate. Guns are the focus. Behind that, there is a sense that a way of life is being cast aside.

In the past two weeks, county governments from the central Piedmont to the Appalachian Southwest — Charlotte, Campbell, Carroll, Appomattox, Patrick, Dinwiddie, Pittsylvania, Lee and Giles — have approved resolutions that defy Richmond to come take their guns.

It mirrors a trend that began last year in western parts of the United States, where some law enforcement officials vowed to go to jail rather than enforce firearm restrictions, and has spread eastward. In New Mexico, 25 of 33 counties declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries after the state expanded background checks. In Illinois, nearly two-thirds of its counties have done the same.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/in-virginia-and-elsewhere-gun-supporters-prepare-to-defy-new-laws/2019/11/23/4a95fcc2-0c86-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

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Reply In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws (Original post)
Eugene Nov 23 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 23 #1
friendly_iconoclast Nov 24 #3
Straw Man Nov 29 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 29 #9
flamin lib Nov 23 #2
friendly_iconoclast Nov 24 #4
samir.g Nov 26 #5
friendly_iconoclast Nov 26 #6
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 26 #7

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:04 PM

1. How I wish they would suffer the inevitable consequences

of guns everywhere.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 04:44 PM

3. The self-righteous often hide a barely-suppressed hatred behind a facade of 'concern'

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:42 PM

8. Just to clarify ...

How I wish they would suffer the inevitable consequences

of guns everywhere.

Are you wishing for violent harm to come to them?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:18 PM

9. Surely you've misunderstood.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

2. But they're law abiding citizens, right? nt

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 05:36 PM

4. *Do* tell us more about the sanctity of the law, mmmkay?

I await your post advising the mayor of South Miami to suck it up and do what he's told
to by higher authority...


All Florida cops and elected officials will be forced to comply with ICE as of Tuesday

A federal judge has temporarily blocked a portion of a controversial Florida law that called on local police to cross state lines to assist federal immigration officials but left in place a provision where the officers would have to hold undocumented immigrants until the feds pick them up.

In an order issued on Monday — one day before enforcement of the new law is slated to take effect — Miami U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom shot down a small piece of the state law requiring Florida police officers to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement agencies, like U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The Florida law — SB 168 — will continue to forbid sanctuary cities.

Bloom ruled that local police cannot transport undocumented immigrants across state lines at the request of the feds, saying it is strictly the job of the federal government. Her ruling can be appealed.

However, her ruling maintained that local police departments would still be required to hold arrested people in jail for an extra two days until ICE picks them up.


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article235631727.html

South Miami says it will challenge Florida’s ban on sanctuary cities in court

...In a special meeting Tuesday evening, South Miami Mayor Philip Stoddard voiced concern that the law would brew distrust between undocumented residents and law enforcement officers in the city of about 12,000 residents.

“Our police are responsible for maintaining the public safety, and as soon as they are seen as somebody who might turn you in if you called for assistance, they’re no longer trusted and they can no longer do their primary job of keeping all the citizens and all the residents of a community safe,” Stoddard said. “It creates divisions."...In a special meeting Tuesday evening, South Miami Mayor Philip Stoddard voiced concern that the law would brew distrust between undocumented residents and law enforcement officers in the city of about 12,000 residents.

“Our police are responsible for maintaining the public safety, and as soon as they are seen as somebody who might turn you in if you called for assistance, they’re no longer trusted and they can no longer do their primary job of keeping all the citizens and all the residents of a community safe,” Stoddard said. “It creates divisions.”



http://laws.flrules.org/2019/102

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2019/168/BillText/er/HTML


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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:05 PM

5. make a few examples

prosecute to the fullest extent of the law

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Response to samir.g (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 03:11 PM

6. "(P)rosecute to the fullest extent of the law" You sound like Trump talking about migrants

Once again, evidence is given that control freaks and would-be autocrats are more like each other than whatever cause
they're purporting to represesnt...

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Response to samir.g (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:09 PM

7. Civil Disobedience

Henry David Thoreau popularized the term in the US with his essay Civil Disobedience, although the concept itself has been practiced longer before. It has inspired Mahatma Gandhi in his protests for Indian independence against the British Raj; and Martin Luther King Jr.'s peaceful protests during the civil rights movement in the US. Although civil disobedience is considered to be an expression of contempt for law, King regarded civil disobedience to be a display and practice of reverence for law: "Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law." (Emphasis added.)

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