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Fri Apr 21, 2017, 12:14 PM

Legislative Update: Governor signs law barring 'smart' gun purchase requirements

https://www.verdenews.com/news/2017/apr/19/legislative-update-governor-signs-law-barring-smar/

Arizonans who want firearms won't be required to purchase "smart'' weapons.

Gov. Doug Ducey on Tuesday signed legislation which blocks any state or local law that says the only guns that can be offered for sale have to meet certain standards.

On the surface, the legislation is aimed at weapons which have GPS capability that enables police to track not only the local of the gun but also to send an electronic notice when it is fired.

But much of the debate centered around technology that enables a gun to know when it is in the hands of an authorized user. That can involve anything from fingerprint recognition to proximity to a special electronic fob worn by the owner.

(Rest at the link.)

Sorry, but I don't want to encounter the equivalent of the Microsoft Blue Screen of Death if I am in a self defense situation and need to use a firearm to defend myself or my family.

If you want to purchase one of these things, go ahead, just don't try to change the law to force me to buy one also.

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Reply Legislative Update: Governor signs law barring 'smart' gun purchase requirements (Original post)
TupperHappy Apr 2017 OP
HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2017 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #2
yagotme Apr 2017 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #4
yagotme Apr 2017 #5
spin May 2017 #6
yagotme May 2017 #8
spin May 2017 #10
yagotme May 2017 #11
spin May 2017 #12
yagotme May 2017 #13
spin May 2017 #14
yagotme May 2017 #15
spin May 2017 #16
krispos42 May 2017 #7
yagotme May 2017 #9

Response to TupperHappy (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 01:23 PM

1. Instead of forcing the public to adopt this

technology, politicians should require their police forces to use it. They won't because cops won't risk their lives with battery-operated guns.

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Response to TupperHappy (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:40 PM

2. Some of the best news I've read in a week

Thanks

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Response to TupperHappy (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:10 PM

3. Can you imagine the technology involved,

of not only having the electronics determine whether you may fire the gun or not, but the gun also sends a GPS notice (assuming you are not moving, otherwise a constant GPS needs to be sent). The gun would probably spend as much time on the charger as my wife's phone. Pretty useless for what it is intended for.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:01 AM

4. There would be plenty of room for a huge battery in the handle...

...since one is the only reasonable bullet capacity.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:12 PM

5. LOL

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Response to yagotme (Reply #3)

Sat May 13, 2017, 03:37 AM

6. What happens in a major disaster when your power is out for a week or more?

I lost power for a week last year when Hurricane Hermine pushed through my area. Many people lost power far longer than me.

Hermine was just a marginal cat one storm not a monster by any means. Still I had no way to recharge my battery powered devices. If I had a "smart" firearm for self defense and it needed a recharge it would have basically worthless. I would have been better off with a baseball bat or a can of tomatoes to throw at an attacker.

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Response to spin (Reply #6)

Wed May 17, 2017, 02:18 PM

8. That's what them there solar chargers are for...



Try charging your battery with thick clouds about...

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Response to yagotme (Reply #8)

Wed May 17, 2017, 11:43 PM

10. The hurricane comes and the hurricane goes. Then the sun come out. ...

It doesn't stay cloudy for a week after a hurricane. Instead it gets hot and very humid.

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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Thu May 18, 2017, 11:15 AM

11. Yes, I know, but just before and during...

it can get pretty thick overhead. The idea was that with all the juice the gizmo in the grip is going to be using, more than 1/2 a day or so without charging will render the firearm useless.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #11)

Fri May 19, 2017, 04:42 AM

12. I am real old fashioned. You might call me a dinosaur. ...

I prefer a good S&W revolver for self defense over a semi automatic pistol. Of course I do use pistols at the target range.

If I ever have to use a handgun for real life self defense I want one that is simple and reliable. Revolvers don't have a safety to forget in an emergency. If for some reason when you pull the trigger you don't hear a loud noise, you just pull it again rather than go through to tap, rack, bang drill as with a pistol.

So therefore since I value simplicity and reliability, I doubt if I will ever buy a firearm that requires a battery to function. What a stupid idea.

We could have an EMP attack and lose power for a year or two and my firearms would still work just fine.

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Response to spin (Reply #12)

Mon May 22, 2017, 10:35 AM

13. I understand, and agree with you pretty much,

but the ones who want to (in all reality) ban guns, want this done to ALL firearms. Now, how much do you think your wheelgun would cost with an electronic on/off switch incorporated into it? (Yes, I know, they are tilting at windmills, but it IS what they want.)

I'm readily comfortable with an auto or a revolver. Both beat a sharp (or not sharp) stick.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #13)

Tue May 23, 2017, 06:46 AM

14. Only the rich will be able to afford smart guns. ...

Of course stupid guns will be banned and confiscated so only the criminals will own them.

Next up will be knives and pointy objects. Then laws will be passed to make self defense illegal.

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Self Defense Is Illegal In The UK
By kitt canaria - August 4, 2015

Stated in Ask The Police UK the only self defense you can use in UK is rape alarm, People can now forget about standing their ground, because if they live in the UK and they are about to be attacked, the only thing that they can do is run away. The first thing that the government has done is banned a variety of sexual acts, and now they are forcing people to not fight back and become victims. Now, if you are attacked in the United Kingdom, all that you can do is run away, as you may be just as guilty as the criminal if you try to defend yourself. Criminals are empowered under this law and innocent people have their basic right of self protection taken away. The only proper way for anybody to defend themselves now is by using an alarm that will notify the police but otherwise do nothing else in defense of the individual during the crime.
https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/self-defense-is-illegal-in-the-uk/

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Response to spin (Reply #14)

Wed May 24, 2017, 10:14 AM

15. Someone sent me a picture a while back,

taken in the UK of plastic ware for sale. Stated must be 18 to purchase, or something to that effect. (Plastic knives.) So much for European style gun control.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #15)

Fri May 26, 2017, 01:03 AM

16. Crime involving knives is common in the U.K.

So of course the laws favor the bad element as honest people are not legally allowed to carry a knife to defend themselves with.

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Selling, buying and carrying knives

The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

It is illegal to:

sell a knife to anyone under 18 (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives) unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)
Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives:

have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener

Banned knives and weapons
It is illegal to bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give anyone the following:

butterfly knives (also known as ‘balisongs’) - a blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle
disguised knives - a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick
flick knives (also known as ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - a blade hidden inside a handle which shoots out when a button is pressed
gravity knives
stealth knives - a knife or spike not made from metal (except when used at home, for food or a toy)
zombie knives - a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence
swords, including samurai swords - a curved blade over 50cm (with some exceptions, such as antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
sword-sticks - a hollow walking stick or cane containing a blade
push daggers
blowpipes (‘blow gun’)
telescopic truncheons - extend automatically by pressing button or spring in the handle
batons - straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons
hollow kubotans - a cylinder-shaped keychain holding spikes
shurikens (also known as ‘shaken’, ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
kusari-gama - a sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire
kyoketsu-shoge - a hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire
kusari (or ‘manrikigusari’) - a weight attached to a rope, cord, wire
hand or foot-claws
knuckledusters

Good reasons for carrying a knife or weapon

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife or weapon in public can include:

taking knives you use at work to and from work
taking it to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
if it’ll be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, for example the kirpan some Sikhs carry
if it’ll be used in a demonstration or to teach someone how to use it
A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife or a weapon if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

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Response to yagotme (Reply #3)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:21 PM

7. To some people, that's a feature, not a bug.

Like other people on other rights, some activists want to make gun ownership such a burden that people simply stop bothering.

My state's governor wants to increase the price of a concealed-carry permit to $300, 4x what is is now, to help fill the hole in the budget. This was announced a couple of months after they threw another load of tax credits at Sikorsky to keep them in the state.

Oy.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #7)

Wed May 17, 2017, 02:19 PM

9. They tried the high permit price here,

didn't fly. Thankfully.

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