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Fri May 6, 2016, 12:52 AM

 

It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.

If you see an ammosexual out on a dinner date with his AR-15, it's ok to run away.

Internet lawyers will try to scare you into inaction, but they don't give a shit whether you and your family lives or dies.

All they care about is their precious guns.

They'll threaten you with arrest if you run. They'll threaten you with jail.

Anything it takes to bully and intimidate you into risking the lives of you and your family.

That's how the NRA's goons operate here on DU, and elsewhere.

Because they don't care.

They just don't care.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers slow you down.


















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Reply It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down. (Original post)
stone space May 2016 OP
virginia mountainman May 2016 #1
DonP May 2016 #3
stone space May 2016 #5
virginia mountainman May 2016 #7
stone space May 2016 #8
virginia mountainman May 2016 #12
stone space May 2016 #13
virginia mountainman May 2016 #14
DonP May 2016 #25
Straw Man May 2016 #42
stone space May 2016 #44
Straw Man May 2016 #47
Eleanors38 May 2016 #30
stone space May 2016 #43
Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #45
DonP May 2016 #46
stone space May 2016 #4
stone space May 2016 #10
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #36
Lurks Often May 2016 #37
Straw Man May 2016 #2
Puha Ekapi May 2016 #6
stone space May 2016 #11
Puha Ekapi May 2016 #21
stone space May 2016 #22
Puha Ekapi May 2016 #23
Straw Man May 2016 #29
virginia mountainman May 2016 #15
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #27
stone space May 2016 #9
Straw Man May 2016 #28
stone space May 2016 #40
Straw Man May 2016 #41
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #16
discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #17
ileus May 2016 #18
theatre goon May 2016 #19
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #20
stone space May 2016 #24
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26
stone space May 2016 #35
beevul May 2016 #39
beevul May 2016 #31
beevul May 2016 #32
JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #33
sarisataka May 2016 #34
Lurks Often May 2016 #38

Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:10 AM

1. WOW..

If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:25 AM

3. His edges aren't really glued down very well

 

His posts are becoming more and more erratic, strange and disconnected from any kind of reality.

He eats in Restaurants with concealed carriers all around him with guns with no problem, but totally freaks out and gets paranoid at the mere idea of the same people open carrying and considers it grounds for justifiable petty theft.

Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.

IMNSHO, a clear case of advanced Hoplophobia Extremis.

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Response to DonP (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 AM

5. Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with felony threats.

 

He eats in Restaurants with concealed carriers all around him with guns with no problem, but totally freaks out and gets paranoid at the mere idea of the same people open carrying and considers it grounds for justifiable petty theft.

Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.


He's just trying to bully you with legal threats of felonies into risking the lives of you and your family.

He doesn't give a shit about whether your family lives or dies.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.







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Response to DonP (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:04 AM

7. Yep,

And they say WE live in fear...

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #7)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:57 AM

8. You talk of skittles above, while supporting Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin

 

Nice.


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Response to stone space (Reply #8)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:15 AM

12. And now, off on this other track...

I don't understand why you keep bringing that up? it has no bearing whatsoever on this conversation about theft. Why you keep bringing up old posts, on unrelated topics. Maybe you should speak to a trusted family member, or pray with your pastor about it.

You have been harboring these very strong emotions for a long while now. They can end up doing you harm, they can lead to hypertension, and possibly a stroke.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:18 AM

13. Why should we take legal advice from a Zimmerman supporter? (nt)

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 AM

14. I am not the one telling people to steal....

You are, in the op...


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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:59 AM

25. He's just gaming the amnesty

 

He already got at least 2 "Vacations" for calling people Zimmerman supporters.

Now, with the amnesty from Skinner during the primaries, he knows even with the 6+ hides he already has now, he can get away with it and won't be thrown out again for a while.

So he's like an ill behaved child that found out he can say something naughty and get away with it.

Now he's going to keep repeating it to get the online attention he so desperately wants.

Must be pretty lonely and angst ridden out there in the real world for the gun control keyboard warriors.

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Response to stone space (Reply #8)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:09 AM

42. Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle?

I guess I'll have to start eating Starburst instead.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #42)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:25 AM

44. That's an interesting question, given post #1 here in this thread.

 

Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle?


Your question on the meaning and usage of the word "skittles" in gun culture is a profound one, and may well be worth asking in an OP.


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Response to stone space (Reply #44)

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:47 AM

47. Post #1 is what I'm referring to.

You are suggesting that the word is used in "gun culture" to connote racism. That's a bizarre claim, since I see the word used far more in anti-gun culture. My take is that the word is used by everyone for its overtones of childlike innocence.

I look forward to your explanation of exactly how you interpret the use of the word "skittles" in Post #1.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #7)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:59 PM

30. DonP is such a bully.

 

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Response to DonP (Reply #3)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:15 AM

43. Please do not threaten me with felony arrests.

 

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Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.


DU isn't the place to threaten individual posters with felony arrests.

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Response to stone space (Reply #43)

Sun May 8, 2016, 06:52 AM

45. If someone tells you not to drive 35 mph over the speed limit because it's a felony

that's not a threat, it's a statement that the law makes it a felony to drive 35 mph over the speed limit.

No one can force you to commit a felony.

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Response to stone space (Reply #43)

Sun May 8, 2016, 08:35 AM

46. "Threaten"? Are you really that clueless or do you just pretend for comedy relief?

 

Besides, running out on a diner check would only be a class 3 or 4 misdemeanor, not a felony

But I can understand either approach.

Heck, Don Knotts made a very successful career out of pretending to be clueless and "less than brave" for decades.

Or possibly, English might not be your native language and you struggle to grasp meanings in context.

But if you truly feel threatened by posts here, you need to 1. alert on the post or go to ATA or 2. let Skinner know how fearful you are.

Or 3. do what the other whiny gun control fans do and put everyone that you disagree with on ignore. The equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears online and going "LA LA LA" really loud.

In the meantime, we don't need another frequent vacationing weasel with more than 6+ hides under the amnesty to tell us what DU is and isn't.

Hell, you can't even stay on Discussionist without getting booted and that takes some real, prime idiocy to get kicked off of.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:26 AM

4. Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with his threats of prosecution.

 

If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.


He doesn't care about the safety of your family.

He's just trying bully you into endangering the lives of you and your family with bad legal advice.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:06 AM

10. Yeah, in your mind, the criminal is the guy with the skittles, not the guy with the gun.

 

If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.


Rather typical coming from a Zimmerman supporter, I suppose.



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Response to stone space (Reply #10)

Sat May 7, 2016, 09:52 AM

36. That's because it would be demonstrably true.

 

In an open carry jurisdiction, "the guy with the gun" would be committing no crime. The guy who bolted from the store w/o paying for the merchandise in their possession would be committing a crime. This isn't remotely in question...it's the law.

Don't get me wrong: open carry is idiotic in the large majority of situations. But your assessment of the legalities involved is flat out false.

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Response to stone space (Reply #10)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:41 AM

37. When you can't argue the facts and don't understand the law, you resort to personal attacks

 

The only reason you're allowed to post at all, is Skinner's amnesty for people with 5 or more hides.

Those of us with a mind open to the facts followed the trial, listened to the testimony of the witnesses and recognized that the prosecution failed to prove it's case. The same prosecution that chose not to take the case to a Grand Jury because they knew a Grand Jury would review the facts and fail to indict.

If supporting due process, the facts and the right to a fair trial makes you a bad person in your eyes, I could care less.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:23 AM

2. Do you realize how foolish that sounds?

Do you realize that no one really cares what you do when you see an open-carried AR-15?

Do you realize that no one is bullying anyone into doing anything?

Do you realize that people are just making fun of you when they ask you why you would run away?

Do you realize ...

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:52 AM

6. All due credit to Stoney...

I read his posts not for anything substantial, but because it's some of the funniest shit online. Well played, Stoney, well played

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #6)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:09 AM

11. It sure drew the Zimmerman supporters here in a hurry, didn't it? (nt)

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #11)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:15 AM

21. You're a Zimmerman supporter?

I had no idea....

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #21)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:24 AM

22. Oh, not me. Virginia mountanman and Straw Man. If you didn't know before, you do now.

 

You're a Zimmerman supporter?

I had no idea....


Self-avowed Zimmerman supporters here at DU like to play internet lawyer here and try to intimidate folks into risking their own lives and the lives of their families.

This group is the Zimmerman supporter hangout on DU. If you are going to post here, you really need to know that.


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Response to stone space (Reply #22)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:28 AM

23. I don't see anything...

...that indicates that those two people "support" Zimmerman.

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Response to stone space (Reply #22)

Fri May 6, 2016, 12:38 PM

29. Apparently ...

Self-avowed Zimmerman supporters here at DU like to play internet lawyer here and try to intimidate folks into risking their own lives and the lives of their families.

... you don't know what the words supporter and intimidate mean.

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #6)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:40 AM

15. He is good for a little comic relief..

But for some reason, his visits are very brief...

His visits remind me of a late night bout of flatulence in bedroom.

The night air can be so fresh, and crisp, than a foul stench, starts wiffling in, just a small hint at first, then gets overpowering, then just as suddenly as it happened, dissipates into the night air. Leaving laughter in it's wake.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #15)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:40 AM

27. You know...

 

my dogs? Sounds like my dogs.

I can tell who is who by their smell.

Yeah, kind of like these posts.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:00 AM

9. Do you realize that Zimmerman supporters like yourself have no standing to whine?

 


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Response to stone space (Reply #9)

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:29 AM

28. You don't get to call me a "Zimmerman supporter."

I think Zimmerman was a rampant asshole. However, he acted within the law and in reasonable fear of his life. When someone is pounding one's head into the pavement, there is a very real possibility that one will end up dead or drooling in a wheelchair for the rest of one's life. In such a case, deadly force is justified.

People have alternative narratives that ignore the laws and their application in this case. I prefer a legal system that adheres to statute and precedent. Obviously you don't.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #28)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:03 AM

40. Gunstalking and murdering unarmed kids is not "acting reasonably".

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #40)

Sun May 8, 2016, 04:05 AM

41. The jury determined that that isn't what happened.

You may be in love with your buzzwords, but they bear no relation to reality.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:27 AM

16. Wow, must have struck a nerve

 

You are so proud of stiffing it to the low wage server that you would deny payment for services rendered. I bet you would still want your public paycheck if when it is legal in your state, a person legally conceal carries and you let your irrational fear win and run and refuse to do your job.

Still being censored?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:47 AM

17. "Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment...

...to avoidance, deterrence, and deescalation." That's some wise advice. IMHO, you've spent your time here in this group becoming the embodiment of the antithesis of this advice.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:40 AM

18. I recommend asking what brand AR they're carrying.

If it's anything but Colt, LWRC, and FN you don't have anything to worry about. All those others jam easily and you'd be safe...

How many time in your life have you seen someone open carry an AR??? Once? Never? Fewer than zero?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:40 AM

19. Yeah, you probably won't be prosecuted for running out on a restaurant bill...

 

...at least, not for a first offense -- it's theft, but so small that neither the police nor prosecutors would be bothered with it. If it becomes a habit, though, you most likely will. It becomes a pattern of behavior.

Heck, even the restaurant probably won't bother pressing charges -- again, it's not worth their time. It is still theft to run out on the bill, and pretty reprehensible, but you'd probably get away with it. And, again, unless it becomes a habit.

I'm pretty sure you'll be invited not to return, though. People will only let you get away with stealing from them to a point.

I'm not sure what would happen if it came out that someone was advocating running out on the bill before they did it themselves. That could very well change things significantly. And if it were also someone in some way known in the community -- say, a teacher, for instance -- it could well have other consequences. That sort of behavior gets heard about rather rapidly, in my experience...

So, no, even with the small chances of legal consequences, I still wouldn't recommend such poor behavior. It's still theft, even if you get away from it, and it's just... well... pretty small, no matter what sort of nonsensical rhetoric you try to hide it behind.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:49 AM

20. Stoney....

 

...tell you what....

Take that crap down from my essay on Open Carry and I will come to your defense.

From Opencarry.org, the leading website and resource on the legal open carry of holstered handguns:

http://www.opencarry.org/long-gun-oc/

OpenCarry.org is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life. As such, we do NOT promote the open carry of long guns.

Why do we take this stance? After all, OpenCarry.org co-founders John & Mike as well as most of our members own at least one long gun. But due to urban area issues of muzzle control and lack of trigger guard coverage we do not promote long gun open carry.


In my opinion, long gun open carry (except immediately relating to hunting) is done for shock value and to bait police officers into a (peaceful but politically tense) encounter that is usually videotaped and posted on Youtube.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #20)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:48 AM

24. What crap? (nt)

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #24)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:31 AM

26. The photos.

 

It's rude to slam a post with all that stuff the way you did.

I would never do that to you.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #26)

Fri May 6, 2016, 10:48 PM

35. I think I replied with a simple statement of fact.

 

I was then challenged, by somebody ready to call me a liar.

It's happened many times in the past here.

This is not the first time that the memory of Andrea Farrington has been disrespected right here in this forum.

Some folks here get a kick out of disrespecting dead Iowans. Fuck that shit.

How many times have I been called a liar right here in this forum for simply mentioning the murder of Andrea Farrington?

The ammosexuals here in this forum have repeatedly attempted to cover up news of her cold-blooded murder at the hands of an OPEN CARRY AMMOSEXUAL.

They repeatedly discount the life of Andrea Farrington, attempting to make her into a non-person, as if she never existed.

That's because they don't care.

The just don't care about Iowans.

If you don't want proof offered when the lives of Iowans are disrespected and discounted as if they never existed, then you might want to tell folks here to stop disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa.

Tell them to stop pretending like they never existed and like the lives of Iowans don't matter.

They do.

Tell them to stop accusing folks who remember the victims of making their lives up.











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Response to stone space (Reply #35)

Sat May 7, 2016, 12:03 PM

39. Plausible deniability...

 

I think I replied with a simple statement of fact.


Plausible deniability (not).

I was then challenged, by somebody ready to call me a liar.

It's happened many times in the past here.


I see you use the word "liar" more than anyone else. You're projecting.

Would you like a few examples?

Some folks here get a kick out of disrespecting dead Iowans. Fuck that shit.


According to you...with no evidence provided.


The ammosexuals here in this forum have repeatedly attempted to cover up news of her cold-blooded murder at the hands of an OPEN CARRY AMMOSEXUAL.


Which of course, is a lie.

That's because they don't care.

The just don't care about Iowans.



That's right from the manual.


If you don't want proof offered when the lives of Iowans are disrespected and discounted as if they never existed, then you might want to tell folks here to stop disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa.


If you want anyone to believe that anybody is "disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa", you might want to post an example, in support of your assertions. Nobody on a discussion board is simply going to take your word for anything, and that goes double for anyone familiar with your antics.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:58 PM

31. Would you characterize your latest posting efforts as sucessful or effective?

 

Seriously.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:11 PM

32. Its ok to eat. Don't let the internet fear mongerers scare you away. N/T

 

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:17 PM

33. Are you owed beer and travel money and many experiences? nt

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:55 PM

34. Run run away

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:49 AM

38. It's recommended NOT to take legal advice from Stone Space

 

He's shown nothing to indicate he is remotely qualified to provide legal advice when it comes to criminal law.


Anyone who is serious about understanding criminal law in their state should consult with a lawyer who specializes in criminal defense, not some alleged calculus professor at a university.

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