Flouting The Law, Some New Yorkers Won't Register Guns

[sarisataka]

Flouting The Law, Some New Yorkers Won't Register Guns

New York state has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Compliance with those laws is another matter.

New York passed a broad package of gun regulations after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., despite the objections of hunters and gun rights advocates. Now it appears that many gun owners are refusing to comply with a key provision that requires the registration of so-called assault weapons.

"I think this law was so incredibly repressive that it drove people to the point now that they're basically saying we're not going to abide by any more laws," says Brian Olesen, the owner of American Trade and Goods and several other outdoor stores around Albany, N.Y., that stock a wide range of guns for hunting and self-defense. Olesen says his customers overwhelmingly oppose the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act — or SAFE Act, as the 2013 gun law is known.

The law has some of the nation's toughest regulations on guns and ammunition, including a ban on the sale of so-called "military style assault weapons," like the AR-15 style long rifle used in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It also requires New Yorkers to register the assault weapons they already own with police.

http://www.npr.org/2015/07/24/425966334/flouting-the-law-some-new-yorkers-wont-register-guns

The article goes on to say many sheriffs refuse to enforce the law as well. What to do when the People and Law Enforcement essentially nullify a law?

[virginia mountainman]

1. They passed it, now they get to enforce it..

If they don't their credibility is in the tank, and now the initial anger over the law, has turned into contempt..

Let them pass MORE gun control, cause it too will be ignored. LOL I like how they call about 90% or so of gun owners, "non-compliance" as "SOME" gun owners..

Well done Governor!! WELL DONE!!

EDITED TO ADD MY OP FROM A WHILE BACK ON THIS VERY SUBJECT:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172171281

Well now they have done it...

With the push to "pass" gun control in the dead of night with the SAFE act, in New York, Cuomo finally admits that "they have no way of enforcing" part of the law, by suspending another chunk of the SAFE act, add that to the magazine capacity ban that the court tossed a while back.. The "back ground check ammunition sales" is suspended. For some reason they are not publicizing it. It, was basicly found to be "unworkable"... Imagine that.. emotion based legislation passed in the dead of night, found "unworkable"...LOL...

New York with it's SAFE act, has a very serious, completely self-induced problem on their hands. I have seen estimates in the press as low as 5% compliance with it's forced "registration" scheme of the evil assault rifles, and with only a very small portion of New York law enforcement in support of the gun ban provisions in the law, and most outspokenly dead set against it, enforcing the law will be problematic to say the very least. More people registered guns in the tiny State of Connecticut, than in the much larger, state of New York.

Now down to the largest problem they are facing, one that they think they can ignore, like it's a bad dream.

With such low compliance of the law by people that very well know the penalties, several very unfortunate dynamics are in play let me point them out;

The majority of those that refused to register, are convinced that it is their right to own the rifles, and that it is no one's business if they own them or not... It is simply, "their right".. You can argue semantics about til you're blue in face over whether it really is "their right" all you want, but what YOU think is immaterial, it is what they THINK, they are the one with the rifles.

Now to the Crux of the problem.. We now have several hundred THOUSAND people, that are openly defiant to New York law. They now treat the law with contempt. They care not about penalties, they care not, what additional gun control law passes, their is no need to fear when even their local law enforcement, and most NY state troopers agrees with their position.

In short, Cuomo has rammed thru a law in the middle of the night, that for the most part, only GUN CONTROL supporters are obeying..And now thousands of people are thumbing their noses at them, and daring him to make the next move..

Their is no way around that fact, people feel they have NO obligation to obey unjust laws, and so they won't. And Cuomo will now have to enforce the law....or won't he, if so, HOW?

How do you deal with massive amounts of citizens just giving the middle finger and ignoring the statehouse? You can't get the sheriffs to do it, most of them are in the crowd with their middle finger up as well.

Widespread open contempt for a new state law, what are YOU going to do about it Cuomo???

[sarisataka]

3. Read up on activities during Prohibition

it's deja-vu all over again.

Even during Prohibition alcohol consumption only decreased about 40%

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. "They passed it, now they get to enforce it.."

Politicians are old men who expect young men to die for their mistakes.

now the initial anger over the law, has turned into contempt..

Please. Stop! You're breaking my anarchist heart!

[beevul]

10. That seems to add up.

Reality minus credibility minus legitimacy=contempt

I like that.

[bluestateguy]

2. Gun control’s racist reality: The liberal argument against giving police more power

As I note over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027008385

[sarisataka]

4. It is quite ironic

that many of the same people calling the police out as racist thugs will then expect the same police to fairly enforce draconian gun control laws.

[SecularMotion]

5. If you want to find unregistered guns in NY State

Just look for these signs. You'll find them posted in front of "rustic" homes or Rod & Gun clubs on the backroads of upstate NY.

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[gejohnston]

6. you seriously call that probable cause for a warrant?

It's clear you like the first or fourth amendments as much as the second. How about if you apply that to grow light purchases? Cops go through credit card data to see who buys grow lights at Home Depot and use that for probable cause?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. I'm sure the Controllers would sacrifice 30% of their own faction to eliminate

60% of the enemy faction.

Enlightened societies, and all.

[stone space]

15. What does this even mean?

I'm sure the Controllers would sacrifice 30% of their own faction to eliminate

60% of the enemy faction.

It sounds like some bizarre right wing massacre threat.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. "It sounds like some bizarre right wing massacre threat."

Considering the community spanking you took over your ginned-up efforts to redefine self-defense as murder your latest effort is the functional equivalent of --

0 * 0

I know you're merely a calculuz professor so English is not your first language but allow me to break this down for you --

I'm sure the Controllers would sacrifice 30% of their own faction to eliminate

60% of the enemy faction.

"The Controllers" is the subject of the statement, ergo any elimination perpetrated would be perpetrated by "the Controllers."

For context, the statement was made in response to the following post --

you seriously call that probable cause for a warrant? It's clear you like the first or fourth amendments as much as the second. How about if you apply that to grow light purchases? Cops go through credit card data to see who buys grow lights at Home Depot and use that for probable cause?

Which, in turn was made in response to a post claiming that anyone with a particular sign calling for a law's repeal was suspect for criminal activity.

So, taken in context, the statement OBVIOUSLY means that THE CONTROLLERS would gleefully sacrifice people in the own party to satisfy their mania to impose broad violations of the 1A, 4A and 5A in the name of violating the 2A.


Do you have any other ridiculous questions to derp up?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. But but but...

..."rustic" has such evil connotations...... oma skeered....

[Eleanors38]

19. Rustic, no. Brake bleeding, yes.

[virginia mountainman]

9. Ok..

So, go get the Sheriff....

GO AHEAD.... lol......

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. you first

???ὼ? ???έ

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. I see guy-butt!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. Somehow I knew you'd understand

[S_B_Jackson]

18. You planning to take the point in searches of these persons' homes and businesses?

Or are you going to expect others to be the "skin in the game" paying for your zeal?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Kick (already recced) n/t