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Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:34 PM

 

Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge

After years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.

Milwaukee, which last year had one of its lowest annual homicide totals in city history, recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 it tallied at the same point last year.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city.

Milwaukee is not alone.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:00 PM

1. "Absurdly weak" gun laws in a nation of 320 million guns. What could go wrong?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:00 PM

4. It's still illegal everywhere for convicted felons to possess firearms.

 

Perhaps you'd like to make it double super illegal?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:19 PM

2. Is there any evidence that the additional homicides

 

have been committed by anyone who was otherwise legally permitted to carry a firearm? If not, then the reference to "concealed weapons" is a classic misdirection. This is why it is difficult to engage in a discussion regarding firearm violence; one side attempts to misdirect and present a dishonest argument.

From the article: " as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city."; this seems to be a greater concern that whether some otherwise law-abiding person is carrying a firearm without a concealed carry permit.

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Response to blueridge3210 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:01 PM

5. How gauche of you to mention such inconvenient truths...

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:45 AM

8. Yes, you're right.

 

Clearly the lack of response by the OP is an indication of how "gauche" the inquiry was.

I wonder why our "cut and paste" spam expert seldom responds to legitimate questions regarding his google dumps? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to blueridge3210 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:01 PM

12. Yes we do. nt

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:22 PM

3. Why are cities so violent...why can't they be as harmless as your typical rural town?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:47 PM

6. The clip posted does not seem to reflect the overall article

I read where federal and local funding cuts are to blame. I read where two cities the violence spiked after the police killings of black men. I read where synthetic drugs are causing it in one city. I read where some cities, such as New York, are coming off of record lows so the rate has no where to go, but up. I read where towns with tight restrictions have seen increases, while towns like Phoenix (wild west) have seen declines.

I'm not sure why Wisconsin's 'absurdly weak' gun laws increase murders in some non-Wisconsin cities with strong gun laws and decrease murders in some non-Wisconsin cities with weak guns laws. These Wisconsin guns laws apparently encouraged police in two non-Wisconsin cities to kill suspects under questionable circumstances.

These Wisconsin gun laws are as powerful and fickle as any gun laws that I have ever read about.

Personally, I think that highlighting the Wisconsin gun law statement was probably not a very representative statement to show the gist of the article.

Thanks for posting as I think that it clearly shows that murders and gun violence is a complex issue that is likely driven by non-gun factors, such as police perception, poverty, and racism.

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Response to beardown (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:21 AM

7. "I'm not sure why Wisconsin's 'absurdly weak' gun laws increase murders..."

We see similar arguments concerning Chicago's gun violence. Chicago has the model gun law regime yet its gun violence is off the leash.

"Lax gun laws elsewhere allow for the illegal importation of guns!" we're told. Yet, those areas with lax gun laws seem to have lower gun homicide rates.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:58 PM

9. And Detroit's homicide rate in 2014 was its lowest in 47 years.

 



That from the Jan 5, 2015 ed. of the Detroit News.

This is the city where the police chief recommended to its citizens that they arm for self defense partly because the police response times are measured in dozens of minutes. A report similar to the OP's on NPR cautioned against drawing any conclusions that there was a general trend upward in homicide rates.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:12 PM

10. The fact that Baltimore and Syracuse have seen *their* gun homicide rates skyrocket,

after enacting extremely punitive gun restrictions aimed at gun enthusiasts, seems to undermine your hypothesis a bit.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:39 PM

11. If "seems to undermine your hypothesis a bit."

 

means "blows it completely out of the water", I would have to agree with you. I wonder if the author of the OP has any thoughts?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:29 AM

13. Milwaukee has seen a 500% increase in heroin deaths over the past 9 years

 

and a 33% decrease in homicides over the same period.
Heroin is clearly a larger problem.
so why is Milwaukee focusing on guns as opposed to, say, Heroin?


2014 statistics: Heroin-related deaths outpace traffic deaths in Milwaukee County

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