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Wed Jul 1, 2015, 07:17 AM

 

Risk managers offer workplace gun violence mitigation tips

Businesses and other organizations are facing growing gun violence and need to consider it in their risk management plans.

Of 160 active shooter incidents in the U.S. between 2000 and 2013, over 80% occurred at sites where people worked, according to an FBI study published in late 2013. Nearly 70% of the incidents ended in five minutes or less, with more than half of the incidents ending before police arrived.

Employers from a wide range of sectors, including Starbucks Corp., Cigna Corp., and most recently Uber Technologies Inc., have banned guns from the workplace in an effort to protect their employees and manage risk.

Employers are also incorporating active shooter emergency drills and training employees to communicate any threats that may lead to violence

http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20150630/NEWS06/150639986/risk-managers-offer-workplace-gun-violence-mitigation-tips?tags=|83|302

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Reply Risk managers offer workplace gun violence mitigation tips (Original post)
SecularMotion Jul 2015 OP
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #2
Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #11
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #12
Shamash Jul 2015 #3
krispos42 Jul 2015 #4
Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #6
DonP Jul 2015 #5
ManiacJoe Jul 2015 #13
sarisataka Jul 2015 #7
Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #8
sarisataka Jul 2015 #10
ileus Jul 2015 #9

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 07:37 AM

1. "with more than half of the incidents ending before police arrived."

The remainder of the article is curiously silent on what that means.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:41 AM

2. Here's a bit research and data on what it likely means

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:02 PM

11. "...half of incidents ending before police arrived:" Ran out of unarmed targets/ammo? nt

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:16 PM

12. Or shot by someone defending themselves, which may explain the obfuscation.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:51 AM

3. Clear out your desk

 

Jeremy Hoven was fired from a Walgreens in Benton Harbor in 2011, eight days after shooting at armed robbers who entered the store during his overnight shift.

Walgreens was within its rights to fire him, however. It was a private workplace and he was an at-will employee who could have been fired at any time for any reason ("Plaid socks? Yer outta here!". So, while I support self-defense I have to respect Walgreen's rights as an employer. But what I find darkly humorous about this case is that Walgreens fired him for self-defense but would have profited had he been killed by the armed robbers. You see, Walgreens takes out life insurance on its employees, payable to Walgreens...

In related news, the utility of that FBI study has been called into question by sources on both sides of the gun issue. Here's an example from reliably anti-gun Time magazine:

Why the FBI Report That Mass Shootings Are Up Can Be Misleading

USA Today also has some skepticism:
'Active shooter' incidents on the rise

Employers are also incorporating active shooter emergency drills

In case of an active shooter incident:
1. Call Human Resources and complain that someone is violating the "no guns in the workplace policy"...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:05 PM

4. "stop treating your employees like scum"

Is that on the list? Benefits? Opportunity? Respect? Respectable pay?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:13 PM

5. Why don't the insurance companies charge gun owners higher premiums?

 

While the risk managers are giving advice, maybe they can explain why the premiums for gun owners aren't any higher than for the people with "high moral principles" that don't own all those dangerous guns?

You'd think that they would know how much riskier it is to have guns in their home (what is it now, 43, 12 or 158 times more likely?) and charge accordingly, wouldn't you?

Or is that "more dangerous" story pure BS?

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:00 AM

13. Not BS but highly exaggerated.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:54 PM

7. SPAMŪ Musubi

SPAMŪ Musubi
Ingredients

2 slices SPAMŪ Classic
3 ounces cooked white rice, seasoned with furikake and toasted sesame seeds, if desired
1 tablespoon House of TsangŪ Hibatchi Grill Sweet Ginger Sesame Sauce or SAM CHOY'SŪ cooking sauce
1 whole sheet nori
Directions Launch Kitchen View

1In large skillet, cook SPAMŪ Classic until lightly browned and crisp.2Place rice into musubi press or small can. Place SPAMŪ Classic on rice; drizzle with grill sauce or cooking sauce. Top with remaining rice; press down. Remove SPAMŪ and rice from musubi press.3On work surface, lay nori shiny-side-down; top with SPAMŪ mixture. Wrap up. Cut each musubi in half. Slice each half diagonally into 2 pieces. Serve immediately.
http://www.spam.com/recipes/SPAM-Musubi

How in the Holey Hades will a no weapons policy mitigate an active shooter situation?

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:30 AM

10. I do not now, nor have I ever

worked for the Hormel Corporation

But SPAM is good- I have lots of recipes.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:23 AM

9. I took the "active shooter" inservice at my hospital....

For the most part the plan is "Run and Hide"


I guess since they insist on disarming us and making us easy victims that's a pretty good plan.


I did read a article yesterday where a uber driver poked some holes in a guy trying to rob him. That's how you plan for an attack.


I think we can all agree making people easy victims isn't a wise defensive plan...

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