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Time Magazine ran a photo essay called "Gun Culture U.S.A." (Original Post) spin Feb 2012 OP
It's bullshit tularetom Feb 2012 #1
Absolutely not... socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #2
I own 3 handguns and shotguns. But some gun shows are scary to me. Some crazy people there. Logical Feb 2012 #3
photographers going for dramatic effect . . . Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #4
It's exactly the same sort of yellow 'journalism' as the tripe showing the most salacious pictures o Fortran Feb 2012 #5
paint ballers, toy guns, reenactment, hunters...not gun culture. ileus Feb 2012 #6
I didn't see anything terrible about the pictures at all. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #7
Agreed. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #40
Very incomplete, as it almost completely ignored the vast middle ground. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #8
In my opinion, a few more pictures such as these... spin Feb 2012 #9
See the difference in feeling with these shots? socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #10
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Feb 2012 #13
I think they should have displayed more of this type stuff. Hoyt Feb 2012 #17
I agree, that presentation is very informative and well done. Fortran Feb 2012 #28
I agree it needs more diversity. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #11
No era veteran Feb 2012 #12
Pathetic misrepresentation. Remmah2 Feb 2012 #14
No, 16 pictures about "gun culture", MicaelS Feb 2012 #15
Really didn't get to crux of issue. And really needs more photos of yahoos packing in public. Hoyt Feb 2012 #16
Hey Hoyt... inre: yahoos packing in public. why don't you take your pictures of these people Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #19
I did, see post #17. There are plenty more just like that. Hoyt Feb 2012 #20
I never said such a thing as that. responsible gun owners are not fools and don't you think Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #22
Mom and dad both passed on long ago. I manage to walk down the streets without a gun. Hoyt Feb 2012 #25
I do quite often. However my work takes me into some of the less savory parts of Houston. oneshooter Feb 2012 #26
The fact that you have never felt any need to carry a firearm... spin Feb 2012 #34
Oh lord, now you are defending Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter. What's next? Hoyt Feb 2012 #24
oh. bullshit and you know it ...sheesh Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #29
"Time" should be embarassed for publishing that. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #18
Yes they should. They need to show people carrying in public who have no business owning a gun. Hoyt Feb 2012 #23
Which people have no business owning a gun? I'm curious. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #27
Loughner's a good example, as are those who are carry because they fear the poor. Hoyt Feb 2012 #30
How do you propose to keep people who carry because they fear the poor from owning guns? Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #31
I have never met a person who had a concealed carry permit... spin Feb 2012 #33
If you have a concealed carry permit... spin Feb 2012 #32
Hoyt, those boring pictures do not sell advertising space in magazines. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #35
True. Those who covet guns like assault, tactical, etc., in magazines. Hoyt Feb 2012 #36
I rather covet this magazine... Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #37
I bet you do. Hoyt Feb 2012 #38
You'd win that bet....good for you! Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #39
Your bigotry knows no bounds. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #41

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. It's bullshit
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012

Looks like the photographer tried to find the most outlandish examples of firearms owners/users.

Other than the hunters and one or two others I don't feel most of the photos represented the majority of US gun owners. Why don't they show somebody like me sitting in my basement reloading cartridges or cleaning a rifle? Most gun owners are people like anybody else and not the freaks portrayed in this essay.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
2. Absolutely not...
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:25 PM
Feb 2012

They focused on the military, automatic rifles and outdoor shooting.

They touched on paint ball but framed it in the light of a military exercise.

There is so much more that is fun and recreational: safety training classes, silouette shooting (indoor and outdoor) and the things they have to do to accurize their rifles and cartridges, bowling pins, steel matches, IPSC, Cowboy matches and Sporting Clays.

I belonged to a pistol club and I can say that I have never been with a more supportive group of gentlemen in my life. thier focus was on accuracy and sportsmanship and they would nelp any serious fan of the sport by giving assistance thru either information or loaning their personal equipment in order to help someone advance their abilities.

I know people who are not familiar with guns have a knee jerk reaction to the sport and that's unfortunate. Hopefully there are people who wil take a look and say, "That's not for me but now I can see why some people may like it."

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
3. I own 3 handguns and shotguns. But some gun shows are scary to me. Some crazy people there.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:33 PM
Feb 2012

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
4. photographers going for dramatic effect . . .
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:41 PM
Feb 2012

well, at least they finally showed some females...meh. and a "pink" gun. cute



 

Fortran

(83 posts)
5. It's exactly the same sort of yellow 'journalism' as the tripe showing the most salacious pictures o
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:57 PM
Feb 2012

a gay pride parade to "show" everyone how horrible "those people" are. Like all propaganda, though, it will suck in the sort of people who let others tell them what and how to think.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
6. paint ballers, toy guns, reenactment, hunters...not gun culture.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:21 PM
Feb 2012

Some of the other pics were pretty cool.

Machine gun shoot = fair
sniper competition = fair
pink gun = fair
model = fair

Most all of the pics are obviously trying to get the banners stirred up emotionally.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
7. I didn't see anything terrible about the pictures at all.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:26 PM
Feb 2012

Looked pretty normal to me.

I guess maybe showing historical reenactors and pink guns and (gasp) toy guns is supposed to pass for shocking, but I didn't think there was anything shocking about the photos at all.

spin

(17,493 posts)
9. In my opinion, a few more pictures such as these...
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:04 PM
Feb 2012

might have made a better and more balanced presentation of the gun culture.











socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
10. See the difference in feeling with these shots?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:29 AM
Feb 2012

Great shots here! These shots still give a feeling of
serious competition, technical equipment and
Cowboy shoot fun! These would have balanced off
the essay. Nice pictures spin!!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. I think they should have displayed more of this type stuff.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:32 PM
Feb 2012

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Fortran

(83 posts)
28. I agree, that presentation is very informative and well done.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:15 PM
Feb 2012

It reminds me of some elements of the instruction we received 35 years ago at my high school rifle team practices.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
15. No, 16 pictures about "gun culture",
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:21 PM
Feb 2012

And two are about paintball?? I don't consider paintball having anything to do with gun culture.

No pictures of a bunch of shooters on the firing line doing target shooting?

This photographer needs an education.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Really didn't get to crux of issue. And really needs more photos of yahoos packing in public.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:25 PM
Feb 2012

Photos really aren't reflective of "gun culture" or ethnic diversity of US population.

Old guys playing war -- waste of time in my opinion, but I guess if you have nothing better to do it's better than watching PBS or talking to a friend. Or is it?

I would have liked to see some photos of folks drooling over "assualt" weapons in a gun store -- or "training" to save the world.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
19. Hey Hoyt... inre: yahoos packing in public. why don't you take your pictures of these people
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:56 PM
Feb 2012

and post 'em on here....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. I did, see post #17. There are plenty more just like that.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:01 PM
Feb 2012

Heck, read up on yahoos who shot up likeness of President Obama in Arizona for fun -- that was posted right here in the gun group. You might thing fools like that walking around in public are OK, I don't.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
21. I never said such a thing as that. responsible gun owners are not fools and don't you think
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:13 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

people shoot at all kinds of targets liknesses?

I have read on DU the hatred people have for Rush, Beck, Coulter etc....
not much difference if you ask me. and. oh by the way did YOU make that video?

I want you to take your own pictures of all these yahoos you seem to think are so prevalent

...should be an easy assignment for you.


Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #21)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. Mom and dad both passed on long ago. I manage to walk down the streets without a gun.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:45 PM
Feb 2012

I'd suggest you try it, but wouldn't want you to go into shock.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
26. I do quite often. However my work takes me into some of the less savory parts of Houston.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:13 PM
Feb 2012

Where police responce is less than swift.
I apparently, despite my Marine Corp. and civilian training, do not have your lightning fast reflexes, steely nerve and natural fighting ability.

spin

(17,493 posts)
34. The fact that you have never felt any need to carry a firearm...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:27 PM
Feb 2012

is not unusual. Most people feel the same as you.

I choose to carry a firearm because I prefer to be prepared. That in no way means that I fear that I will be attacked or suffer from paranoia. In fact, I doubt that I will ever have a legitimate reason to use my carry weapon.

However I did invest the time and expense to get a concealed carry license and that effort would be wasted if I decided to leave my carry revolver home in the safe and found myself facing an attacker who I believed had every intention of seriously injuring or killing me. I would also feel like a total fool.

edited to insert "never" into the title.


Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
29. oh. bullshit and you know it ...sheesh
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:00 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:15 PM - Edit history (1)

you really can twist some words around...like a pretzel.

I am one of those weird people that separate the message from the messenger.

Kind of like how the admin want DU3 to run...you understand that part, right?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
18. "Time" should be embarassed for publishing that.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:37 PM
Feb 2012

Spin's post #9 does a much better job.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. Yes they should. They need to show people carrying in public who have no business owning a gun.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:42 PM
Feb 2012

Much less carrying in parks, family restaurants, churches, bars, nursery schools, etc.

They need to show people buying guns at gun shows with no background checks, people blasting away at silhouette targets, TBagger rallies, people sitting in Starbucks with a gun on their hip, and worse.
 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
27. Which people have no business owning a gun? I'm curious.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:39 PM
Feb 2012

Right now in most of the US, one can purchase a firearm with a minimum of paperwork and a quick Brady check. Even in the areas with stricter gun control, any adult of at least 21 years can own a modern firearm after at most a few weeks (with the exception of Washington DC IIRC), unless they're a convicted felon or have a record of domestic abuse.

This means that at least 95% (or so) of adults in the US can own a gun. What percentage do you this should be, and what would one have to do to qualify for firearms ownership...if you had your way?

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
31. How do you propose to keep people who carry because they fear the poor from owning guns?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:34 PM
Feb 2012

As for Loughner, please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe his Glock was legally purchased. Again, what laws do you propose will keep people such as him from purchasing any firearms?

spin

(17,493 posts)
33. I have never met a person who had a concealed carry permit...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:14 PM
Feb 2012

who said that he obtained it because he was afraid of being attacked by the poor. Of course, I don't know many members of the 1%.

spin

(17,493 posts)
32. If you have a concealed carry permit...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:04 PM
Feb 2012

and the laws in your state permit it, why is it wrong to carry in parks, family restaurants, churches, bars, nursery schools, etc?

If you own a firearm for self defense, why is it wrong to shoot at a silhouette target?

If the laws in your state allow open carry, why is it wrong to sit in a Starbucks or any restaurant that has no rules against firearms in their establishment?



ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
35. Hoyt, those boring pictures do not sell advertising space in magazines.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:46 PM
Feb 2012

You must have missed that day in marketing class.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. True. Those who covet guns like assault, tactical, etc., in magazines.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:21 PM
Feb 2012

If it won't kill a bunch, most of gun culture ain't interested.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
37. I rather covet this magazine...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:43 PM
Feb 2012


Surefire Mag5-60, only a bit bigger than a standard 30 round magazine with twice the capacity!

If only they weren't so durned expensive...$129(!) each.
 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
39. You'd win that bet....good for you!
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:54 PM
Feb 2012

Well, all it takes is money (sigh). At least it's a good investment.

(that's a great rationalization for buying more firearms & accessories...!)

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