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Irony Defined: No working guns allowed at NRA convention
Not news: The big NRA convention is on in Nashville TN.
News: They have restrictions on where you can bring a working gun.
Apparently what's safe at our schools isn't safe when a lot of NRA members get together.
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blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)It's the rule for the facility, not the NRA. Other venues that allow firearms have no such prohibition. You might want to try again.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)It is normal to move conventions around the country so members don't always have to travel as far. The point is the OP is in error; the NRA is not prohibiting firearms the venue does and the NRA, *gasp*, is complying with the law.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)the NRA is prohibiting open carry.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Clearly implies it is the NRA prohibiting firearms in the venue.
The OP is either in error or lying.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)It only "implies" what a paranoid reader wants to "imply". I didn't read it as "NRA restricts" at all.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)louis-t
(23,284 posts)"NRA".
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)If the untent was to say some entity other than the NRA was banning guns, it needed to be contained in the sentence.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)It did not say "some other entity" but also didn't say "NRA", neither was specifically referred to in the sentence, so you naturally ass-ume....
Could have been the state, could have been the county, could have been the city, could have been the arena.
I've been to Bridgestone and the new Music City Center. Both great places. I'll be back there in June. Can't wait. CMA week.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)ban guns?
louis-t
(23,284 posts)
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)VScott
(774 posts)The location, venue is chosen at least 3-4 years in advance.
https://www.facebook.com/OnTheDefense/notes
What do they do if venue (or state or local), rules change in that time?
I'm sure there are many other considerations as well.
If a location or venue meets 9 out of 10, but comes up short on the one,
what do you do? Drop the idea and continue to shop around for the perfect location?
hack89
(39,171 posts)lets not forget that a small minority of gun owners actually carry in public. I think you are projecting what you think the NRA and gun owners think is important.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Total capacity of 67,000 built more than 50 years ago. Whoopie shit. The Country Music Awards draw 80,000 a DAY for four days. The NRA is expecting 70,000 total.
The NRA membership is dying off. There were 86,000 in Houston two years ago. Give it 10 years and the convention might attract 10,000.
It's just a matter of time before the NRA and gun nuttery will solve the gun violence problem all by themselves.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I'm sure they go over a treat in the gun control bubble, but that's not
really the real world of rough-and-tumble of politics, is it?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You may have seen the Pew survey which showed a <75%> increase in favorable opinions toward gun ownership in 2 years. Among African-Americans.
This goes along with the Gallup poll of 2013 showing significant increases in gun-ownership. Among women and self identified Democrats.
The mass extinction theory of political change has been used in other prohibition-based outlooks.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I'm sure it will be announced on one of the many Gun Control TV shows or perhaps their daily radio program. 
With 90% of America behind them, they must need a massive venue.
Of course, a meeting of the "Gun Control Supporters" is basically Bloomberg, his lawyers and Shannon Watts discussing the MDA budget for next year, so a back booth at Denny's in Laredo Texas would do the trick.
Better yet, move it to nice, "safe" Nuevo Laredo in Mexico, with tight gun control and the registration they want here. That's sure to make it safe.
I guess it's easier for the do nothing gun control folks to scoff at the NRA, than ever actually do anything in the real world.
"All whine and no wallet."
hack89
(39,171 posts)The NRA allows licensed gun owners to carry at daytime events at the Music City Center. Concerts and other night time events are held at the Bridgestone Arena. The Bridgestone Arena bans guns for all events, not just the NRA.
The clause about inoperative guns refers to vendors - any gun they have on display for sale has to be inoperative. That is a common sense safety policy when you will have thousands of people of varying ages and skill levels handling the guns.
Nice try - next time when you read some anti-NRA rant on an anti-gun site, perhaps you should take the time to dig a little deeper and get all the facts. Because guess what - controllers can lie and spin just as well as the NRA.
VScott
(774 posts)It's amusing (but not surprising), how many media sources and blogs are running with
this bogus, poorly researched story...
https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+convention&lr=&biw=1344&bih=676&noj=1&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=-k0lVb-DJ-_hsATUw4GADQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.25
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)You can join the celebration there.
It's as close as the gun control side of the discussion has come to a "win" in months.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)You're new here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Our local Armory doesn't allow firearms, when the funshow comes to town the rules aren't changed. Blame the asshats that own the property for wanting folks to be easy victims, not the leasee.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The Indianapolis police superintendent said the street crime rate actually dropped significantly the week the NRA meeting was in town.
Makes you wonder why?
68,000+ attendees, many of them with CCW permits, going out to dinner, walking in the parks, parking in garages late at night and no rash of random shootings.
(Not even from Shannon Watts' armed bodyguards that protected her from all those crazed gun owners.)
Now, let's see what happens later this year at the "Annual Bloomberg/Brady Group Gun Control Conference For The Children".
Does anyone know when and where they will be having their annual big gun control annual meeting to allow the 90% grass roots supporters to show their political will? Maybe they'll announce it on the gun control TV shows they sponsor?
I'm thinking a rental storage locker in a Cleveland suburb is about right, the 10 x 10 size should do.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)
I'd recommend somewhere really safe like...
...EL PASO
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Muggings and murders galore in Nashville that week.
sarisataka
(18,562 posts)as a good or bad thing?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)as a good or bad thing?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)The single custodial parent was a lunkhead, the kids weren't cute, and there was no upwelling
'sensawunda' at the end...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)I've always said they are big, fat CHICKENS* (thus the need to carry a weapon everywhere), and this is further evidence.
*
DonP
(6,185 posts)No wonder the gun control can't achieve jack shit, even with Bloomberg's $50 million to work with.
Keep up the good work. You're doing half of Wayne's job for him.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)He only noted that the poster's dripping vitriol was yielding results that coincided with LaPierre's goals. Own it.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Your point fails. Again.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Gun control advocates are no more able than Nugent and Lapierre are to grasp the idea that "there are things that we should not say, as they *will* be used against us by our enemies"
Many of their 'ready, fire, aim' (sorry, couldn't resist) statements can be found here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)I'm not a Nugent fan; haven't really paid too much attention to Lapierre either. The problem with an echo chamber is there is no one there to tell you your "great idea" is plain nuts and will simply piss off the people you need on your side to pass any legislation.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...or politically non-viable, will get you derided as an NRA mole and drummed out of the
Gun Control Reform Activism group for 'wrecking'. Thus, the constant jostling to be
seen as the #1 Purity Cop and the endless parade of self-appointed Guardians of Progressivism
DonP
(6,185 posts)Maybe with so little to read in your own group your reading comprehension seems to have gone all to hell.
Now, as a major leader in the gun control movement, perhaps you can tell us where the big national gun control meeting is being held this year?
Yankee stadium? Your garage? The rest room at Denny's?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)Your gun control supporter buddy was being rude and it was uncalled for and irrelevant to the discussion.
The guys are right, you control fans are really utterly incapable of detecting sarcasm or any form of ridicule.
But feel free to alert on me. Hey, maybe I'll have a post hidden and be lectured by Skinner just like you did for being rude last week.
But even if I do, you'll still be pathetic and ineffective.
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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Baiting members. Bad form.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Block this member IMO.
ileus
(15,396 posts)I can only imagine the "complaint"
DonP
(6,185 posts)Let's see ...
"The NRA members are all dying off"
"There are fewer gun owners out there than ever"
"Gun owners are 43 times more likely to shoot themselves or a family member"
"Gun sales have dropped off sharply"
Gee, based on their deeply held tenets of gun control they should be out celebrating. It's only a matter of time before all the guns are rusted away, right?
So why are they always so angst ridden and hostile in most of their posts?
And why do they keep coming here to wring their hands and snark when they have their very own safe haven to play in, with no fear of ever hearing a "discouraging word" as Roy Rogers might say (or sing).
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Political Theory of Mass Extinction.
Heard a lot of that "the hippies are dying off!" from the drug warriors.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)as some of you make it. Sheeit...
My husband owns guns. It's part of his family tradition. He used to like to shoot as a pastime. He used to hunt.
He no longer does either. He's not opposed. Just not interested.
People can owns guns for..whatever reason. They can even like them. They can also support gun control. There is such a thing as "responsible" gun ownership.
No matter how toxic and divisive some here try to make it.
And yes: I do believe the NRA official line is lacking in any humanity. I believe worship of and dependency upon guns to feel safe is thoroughly chicken shit.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)the "worship" thing is more a function of editorial cartooners' strawmen; frankly, I've seen no worship of guns, even in Texas. I don't know what "dependency" on guns means, save some occupations and professional shooting events.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)The balls to the wall attitude most concretely displayed by LaPierre and other extremist NRAers who will accept no
limits on gun ownership. It is with religious Zeal that they defend this position.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)During the seventies and on up, the gun control outlook was riding high, and was in large measure the reason why the "gun issue" has become a culture war. The kind of language used by the antis rivaled that seen commonly on the internet. Only, this was in the days before such. It seemed that all of MSM was reading from the same page.The NRA has never been a weak group without a big base; Hubert Humphrey spoke favorably for the RKBA for defensive purposes; JFK was a life member. But no one expected the behemoth we have now. Perhaps more telling are the "rival" pro-gun groups -- some with 100k+ memberships -- who are more radical. None of this has occurred in a vacuum. Thanks for the respectful discussion.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)Honestly, I'm sure I"m not as informed as I should be. But my experience living with - and being friends with - "hippies with a gun," as we lovingly refer to them, has helped me keep an open and balanced attitude, I think?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)which appeal to prejudice. These stereotypes are what govern many folks' perceptions, but not to the extent of changing policy and law. Cultivated prejudices are two-edged, however. Here on DU, the image cultivated of gun-owners is that of Republicans-in-hiding, secret NRA members, paranoids, blood thirsty, selfish, non-progressive, lacking in penis size, and on and on. Some are willing to accept this, but even these folks seem to realize that there is little good to come of the approach. Frankly, the tenor of debate is generally one of civility on the part of pro-2A people, and one of coarseness on the part of the antis. Most people see this.
I think MSM is largely responsible for this over the last 40 years. It's as if there was general agreement among the (one-time) big players where journalists can drop the pretense, and go after an agreed-upon enemy in any old way your heart pleases. The result is a bitter culture war in which one side is "losing" but cannot bring itself to change its haughty, mean spirited approach, even as the mass media model collapses around it. Gun controllers remain in small elites, however, whose residual influence is an ability to smear 80,000,000+ American gun owners and, within progressive sites like DU, to dictate what is acceptable and correct for liberals and progressives to believe. But this last characteristic is weakening as well.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)I live in Washington state. The voters here - including myself - voted in sensible gun control legislation in the last election. The Republican-dominated legislature (no doubt funded by out-of-state money) is now seeking to overturn the will of the people.
This is the kind of thing that makes people crazy and oppositional.
I agree with your thoughtful reflection, and I think it applies across the board to most hot-button issues. I recall learning about "yellow journalism" in junior high school. Some things never change. It also doesn't take much intellectual curiousity or brainpower to simply go for the visceral.
Nice talking with you!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)from Florida to Washington is the collapse of the Democratic Party; in many states it's a small suite with one door and a ringing phone no one answers.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)Washington has 2 Democratic Senators - both women and fabulous...especially Senator Murray. Excellent Democratic governor, Jay Inslee.
I live on the red east side of the state - virulent anti-government types, more like n. Idaho. The west side of our state is, of course, quite liberal (Seattle) - except for the exurbs.
I don't know how or when our state legislature went red, but it's concerning.
If you are saying you think the Dem party has strayed from its values, and vocal support thereof, has capitulated and co-opted, a la Bill Clinton, I agree, though there are still some stalwarts on the left, like Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Being a big tent has its downsides.
I would like to see a strong leftist candidate with a plausible chance of winning come out in the next presidential election. I don't think this is going to be pretty.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)the Democratic Party. Without a doubt.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)under the current law as written, a Brinks driver has to meet the armor a gun store to have his gun issued to him at the beginning of the shift. Then at the end of the shift, the company armor has to go through multiple background checks to accept the gun back. Under the law, that is required every day. That is why security companies are suing. Of course, the money bombs Bloomberg and a couple of other billionaires bought in propaganda didn't mention that. Read the whole 18 pages.
sarisataka
(18,562 posts)As for hypocrisy, is the NRA prohibiting guns anywhere more or less hypocritical than rich gun control proponents having armed bodyguards? Apparently what is not safe for ordinary folks to be around is safe around elites.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)wherever Tennessee state law allows it. Heck, open carry might be legal in Tennessee as well, I'm not sure. I would point out that concealed (and open) carry generally involve functional firearms...a little fact-checking by the reporter before publication would go a long way toward preventing facepalms like this.
As far as I can tell from here, the only restrictions on carry are the legal obligations to comply with existing no-carry signage in the Nashville area, which rules out carry at the sports arena and a few restaurants but not at the convention center, as I understand it, and there are the usual rules about guns on the table for sale or display by manufacturers/vendors have to be inert.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)that invalidated its own editorial. Only NPR got it right from the get-go, looks like.
